# Comic geeks **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [December 14, 2018, 4:03am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/comic-geeks/826100 "2018-12-14T04:03:50Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 14\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![DrDeth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/b487fb/32.png) [@DrDeth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DrDeth)\ **Post date:** [December 14, 2018, 4:03am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/comic-geeks/826100/1 "2018-12-14T04:03:50Z")
Who had/has more members- Justice league or Avengers? And, setting aside such things as Squirrel Girl, who would win? ---
**Author:** ![Darren\_Garrison](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/darren_garrison/32/92_2.png) [@Darren\_Garrison](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Darren_Garrison)\ **Post date:** [December 14, 2018, 4:34am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/comic-geeks/826100/2 "2018-12-14T04:34:42Z")
I’m not counting, but here are [the](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Avengers_members) [lists](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Justice_League_members). ---
**Author:** ![Dale\_Sams](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/779978/32.png) [@Dale\_Sams](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dale_Sams)\ **Post date:** [December 14, 2018, 4:54am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/comic-geeks/826100/3 "2018-12-14T04:54:15Z")
Use Flash, Superman, Martian Manhunter and Green Lantern to their full abilities and they win IMHO. Don’t eff around though. Knock Scarlet Witch out first. Supes beats Thor (according to Busiek) have MM take out The Sentry (He may be the only JLA member who can do so.) Have Flash take out Dr. Strange before he can wreck everyones day. ---
**Author:** ![gdave](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gdave/32/3683_2.png) [@gdave](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/gdave)\ **Post date:** [December 14, 2018, 2:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/comic-geeks/826100/4 "2018-12-14T14:14:12Z")
This is a perennial debate among comic book geeks. It’s always struck me as being silly (I don’t think esoteric comic book debates are silly per se, I just think this particular one is). Heroes in the Marvel Universe and in the DC Universe just exist at _very_ different power levels. The comics aren’t terribly consistent, of course, but dating back to the attempt to seriously codify power levels in the 1980s with Marvel’s _Official Handbook of the Marvel Universe_ and DC’s _Who’s Who: The Definitive Directory of the DC Universe_, the strongest heroes in the MU can lift in excess of 100 tons. The strongest heroes in the DCU can lift tens of thousands of tons. Captain America vs. Batman? That’s a debatable outcome. Superman vs. Thor? It’s not even close. Thor does have magic, against which Superman’s invulnerability isn’t fully effective, but one full-strength, full-speed punch from Superman and Thor becomes a red smear. ---
**Author:** ![silenus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/silenus/32/166_2.png) [@silenus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/silenus)\ **Post date:** [December 14, 2018, 4:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/comic-geeks/826100/5 "2018-12-14T16:44:49Z")
> [@Dale\_Sams](#): > > Use Flash, Superman, Martian Manhunter and Green Lantern to their full abilities and they win IMHO. > > Don’t eff around though. Knock Scarlet Witch out first. Supes beats Thor (according to Busiek) **have MM take out The Sentry (He may be the only JLA member who can do so.)** Have Flash take out Dr. Strange before he can wreck everyones day. I’m curious. How? Full immediate regeneration is hard to beat. ---
**Author:** ![Knowed\_Out](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/knowed_out/32/7380_2.png) [@Knowed\_Out](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Knowed_Out)\ **Post date:** [December 14, 2018, 4:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/comic-geeks/826100/6 "2018-12-14T16:50:56Z")
I remember a JLA/Avengers crossover way back when. There was one part where Superman confronted the Hulk while he was going berserk. Superman let Hulk beat on him and transferred the kinetic energy through his body down to the Earth’s core or something. Hulk eventually got bored and left. ---
**Author:** ![Miller](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/miller/32/481_2.png) [@Miller](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Miller)\ **Post date:** [December 14, 2018, 5:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/comic-geeks/826100/7 "2018-12-14T17:35:00Z")
> [@silenus](#): > > I’m curious. How? Full immediate regeneration is hard to beat. Telepathic attack, I presume. ---
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [December 14, 2018, 6:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/comic-geeks/826100/8 "2018-12-14T18:31:32Z")
> [@DrDeth](#): > > Who had/has more members- Justice league or Avengers? > > And, setting aside such things as Squirrel Girl, who would win? I’ll set aside Squirrel Girl when you set aside Superman. 😃 The win would go to the Avengers, of course. ---
**Author:** ![RealityChuck](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/realitychuck/32/195_2.png) [@RealityChuck](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RealityChuck)\ **Post date:** [December 14, 2018, 6:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/comic-geeks/826100/9 "2018-12-14T18:45:38Z")
Well, it does look that the Spectre had a Justice League affiliation at one point. So the rest of the JLA could go out to a bar. The Spectre would join them five minutes later. ---
**Author:** ![DrDeth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/b487fb/32.png) [@DrDeth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DrDeth)\ **Post date:** [December 14, 2018, 10:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/comic-geeks/826100/10 "2018-12-14T22:35:13Z")
> [@RealityChuck](#): > > Well, it does look that the Spectre had a Justice League affiliation at one point. So the rest of the JLA could go out to a bar. The Spectre would join them five minutes later. The Spectre’s power waxes and wanes a great deal. ---
**Author:** ![Prof.Pepperwinkle](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/prof.pepperwinkle/32/13627_2.png) [@Prof.Pepperwinkle](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Prof.Pepperwinkle)\ **Post date:** [December 14, 2018, 11:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/comic-geeks/826100/11 "2018-12-14T23:22:54Z")
[http://www.geocities.ws/cheeksilver/jlavsavengers.htm](http://www.geocities.ws/cheeksilver/jlavsavengers.htm) The above link is the definitive argument about JLA vs. Avengers, as told by Silver Age comic book writer Unca Cheeks. Enjoy. ---
**Author:** ![gdave](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gdave/32/3683_2.png) [@gdave](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/gdave)\ **Post date:** [December 14, 2018, 11:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/comic-geeks/826100/12 "2018-12-14T23:26:53Z")
> [@DrDeth](#): > > The Spectre’s power waxes and wanes a great deal. That’s true, but the Justice League also has the Phantom Stranger. And Dr. Fate. If just one of those three is currently wielding god-like reality manipulation powers, it’s still the Justice League in a cake-walk. The only chance the Avengers have is if the Scarlet Witch is currently also at her maximum depicted reality manipulation powers. But at that point, she’d also be insane, and would just create a reality where everyone was a puppet, or something, so she’d at best force a draw as the Avengers and Justice League have to team up to set reality right again. ---
**Author:** ![DrDeth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/b487fb/32.png) [@DrDeth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DrDeth)\ **Post date:** [December 15, 2018, 12:00am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/comic-geeks/826100/13 "2018-12-15T00:00:13Z")
> [@Prof.Pepperwinkle](#): > > [http://www.geocities.ws/cheeksilver/jlavsavengers.htm](http://www.geocities.ws/cheeksilver/jlavsavengers.htm) > > The above link is the definitive argument about JLA vs. Avengers, as told by Silver Age comic book writer Unca Cheeks. Enjoy. I like it! ---
**Author:** ![silenus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/silenus/32/166_2.png) [@silenus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/silenus)\ **Post date:** [December 15, 2018, 12:29am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/comic-geeks/826100/14 "2018-12-15T00:29:18Z")
What would really happen (sorry, Unca Cheeks!) is that Superman would see Captain America and immediately halt all offensive actions by the JLA until Mr. Truth, Justice and the American Way got things sorted out. I think Diana would react the same way, using the lasso to suss out the Truth. 10 minutes after they meet, the combined group is off to kick the ass of whoever set them up.