# Coming soon, a new gender-neutral bathroom: David Koch's grave **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [August 23, 2019, 2:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/coming-soon-a-new-gender-neutral-bathroom-david-kochs-grave/839103 "2019-08-23T14:38:03Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![Budget\_Player\_Cadet](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/budget_player_cadet/32/205_2.png) [@Budget\_Player\_Cadet](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Budget_Player_Cadet)\ **Post date:** [August 23, 2019, 2:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/coming-soon-a-new-gender-neutral-bathroom-david-kochs-grave/839103/1 "2019-08-23T14:38:03Z")
Yes, you heard right, folks. Half of the pair of brothers most grossly responsible for the propagation of anti-government and climate denialist propaganda is dead. > **[David Koch, billionaire businessman and influential GOP donor, dies | CNN...](https://edition.cnn.com/2019/08/23/politics/david-koch-dead/index.html)** > > Conservative billionaire David Koch, who became a household name through the policy and political empire he created with his older brother, Charles, has died. He was 79. The Koch brothers were best known – and vilified by Democrats – for their role in politics, and they used their vast wealth to build a sprawling array of think tanks, foundations and political groups to spread their small-government, free-market message. In some elections, the Koch network rivaled the spending and scope of the national Republican Party, and analysts view their activism as helping to have fueled the Tea Party movement. I really don’t think I can stress the degree to which this one person was harmful to the world we live in enough. If there was ever anything resembling justice on this planet, I’d have wished he could have stayed alive to face the fruits of what he sowed, but given that there clearly is none, all I can do is hope that he is soon joined by his brother, and that the burial site is public enough that we can all take turns pissing on it. ---
**Author:** ![Crotalus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/crotalus/32/41_2.png) [@Crotalus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Crotalus)\ **Post date:** [August 23, 2019, 2:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/coming-soon-a-new-gender-neutral-bathroom-david-kochs-grave/839103/2 "2019-08-23T14:49:23Z")
I applaud your thread title. ---
**Author:** ![SmartAleq](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/smartaleq/32/163_2.png) [@SmartAleq](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SmartAleq)\ **Post date:** [August 23, 2019, 2:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/coming-soon-a-new-gender-neutral-bathroom-david-kochs-grave/839103/3 "2019-08-23T14:50:49Z")
That is one of the great things about time–even though it also takes the David Bowie and the Leon Russells from us it also removes festering cankers on the collective genitalia of the world so that’s nice. ---
**Author:** ![Shodan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/9f8e36/32.png) [@Shodan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Shodan)\ **Post date:** [August 23, 2019, 3:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/coming-soon-a-new-gender-neutral-bathroom-david-kochs-grave/839103/4 "2019-08-23T15:00:08Z")
Stay classy, dude. Regards, Shodan ---
**Author:** ![Skypist](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/skypist/32/169_2.png) [@Skypist](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Skypist)\ **Post date:** [August 23, 2019, 3:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/coming-soon-a-new-gender-neutral-bathroom-david-kochs-grave/839103/5 "2019-08-23T15:03:07Z")
He probably left a giant grant to continue his shitty work. But I will happily dance on his grave. ---
**Author:** ![Budget\_Player\_Cadet](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/budget_player_cadet/32/205_2.png) [@Budget\_Player\_Cadet](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Budget_Player_Cadet)\ **Post date:** [August 23, 2019, 3:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/coming-soon-a-new-gender-neutral-bathroom-david-kochs-grave/839103/6 "2019-08-23T15:03:16Z")
[https://twitter.com/CaseyExplosion/status/1164913633572327425](https://twitter.com/CaseyExplosion/status/1164913633572327425) Replace “embarrassing” with “classless” as necessary ---
**Author:** ![Hermitian](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/hermitian/32/470_2.png) [@Hermitian](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hermitian)\ **Post date:** [August 23, 2019, 3:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/coming-soon-a-new-gender-neutral-bathroom-david-kochs-grave/839103/7 "2019-08-23T15:12:18Z")
I know everyone likes to make public figures either heroes or villains because that makes world simpler and makes it easier to draw lines to separate “us vs them.” However, I do not see David Koch as a simple one-dimensional evil conservative. He donated plenty of money and effort to various programs and causes. From Wikipedia: > [@](#): > > From 1982 to 2013, Koch contributed $18.6 million to WGBH Educational Foundation, including $10 million to the Public Broadcasting Service (PBS) show Nova. > > In 2012, Koch contributed US$35 million to the Smithsonian to build a new dinosaur exhibition hall at the National Museum of Natural History. > > Koch also financed the construction of the $68 million Koch Center for mathematics, science and technology at the Deerfield Academy, a highly selective independent, coeducational boarding school at Deerfield, Massachusetts, and was named its first and only Lifetime Trustee. > > In July 2015 David Koch and his brother were commended by both President Obama and activist Anthony Van Jones for their bipartisan efforts to reform the prison system in the United States. For nearly ten years the Kochs have been advocating for several reforms within the criminal justice system which include reducing recidivism rates, simplifying the employment process for the rehabilitated, and defending private property from government seizures through asset forfeiture. Allying with groups such as the ACLU, the Center for American Progress, Families Against Mandatory Minimums, the Coalition for Public Safety, and the MacArthur Foundation, the Kochs maintain the current prison system unfairly targets low-income and minority communities at the expense of the public budget. ---
**Author:** ![Velocity](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/velocity/32/18006_2.png) [@Velocity](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Velocity)\ **Post date:** [August 23, 2019, 3:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/coming-soon-a-new-gender-neutral-bathroom-david-kochs-grave/839103/8 "2019-08-23T15:40:11Z")
> [@Hermitian](#): > > I know everyone likes to make public figures either heroes or villains because that makes world simpler and makes it easier to draw lines to separate “us vs them.” > > However, I do not see David Koch as a simple one-dimensional evil conservative. He donated plenty of money and effort to various programs and causes. From Wikipedia: I feel the same about George Soros. He is villainized as this ludicrous left-wing boogeyman by conservatives when in fact the guy survived Nazi occupation and opposed communism. ---
**Author:** ![Razncain](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/9d8465/32.png) [@Razncain](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Razncain)\ **Post date:** [August 23, 2019, 4:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/coming-soon-a-new-gender-neutral-bathroom-david-kochs-grave/839103/9 "2019-08-23T16:07:25Z")
I think there would be very few that could claim to be as big and as brazen polluters than the Koch brothers. One can’t put a price on the damage they did to our planet. They probably also spent more money than any other individual or group funding the Climate Denial Organizations. David’s Hell that he should be going to should be at least as hot as the one he helped contribute to for future generations that are going to have to live through it. ---
**Author:** ![scr4](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/59ef9b/32.png) [@scr4](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/scr4)\ **Post date:** [August 23, 2019, 4:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/coming-soon-a-new-gender-neutral-bathroom-david-kochs-grave/839103/10 "2019-08-23T16:31:34Z")
> [@Velocity](#): > > I feel the same about George Soros. He is villainized as this ludicrous left-wing boogeyman by conservatives when in fact the guy survived Nazi occupation and opposed communism. Are you implying that left-wing Americans support Nazis and communism? ---
**Author:** ![Euphonious\_Polemic](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/euphonious_polemic/32/3002_2.png) [@Euphonious\_Polemic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Euphonious_Polemic)\ **Post date:** [August 23, 2019, 4:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/coming-soon-a-new-gender-neutral-bathroom-david-kochs-grave/839103/11 "2019-08-23T16:37:47Z")
> [@scr4](#): > > Are you implying that left-wing Americans support Nazis and communism? In case you’re serious… no. He clearly was stating that Soros was NOT the left-wing boogeyman or Nazi that the American right painted him to be, as he opposed both Nazis and communism. Maybe I was just whooshed. Hard to tell. ---
**Author:** ![Atamasama](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/atamasama/32/12961_2.png) [@Atamasama](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Atamasama)\ **Post date:** [August 23, 2019, 5:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/coming-soon-a-new-gender-neutral-bathroom-david-kochs-grave/839103/12 "2019-08-23T17:11:35Z")
> [@Euphonious\_Polemic](#): > > In case you’re serious… no. > > He clearly was stating that Soros was NOT the left-wing boogeyman or Nazi that the American right painted him to be, as he opposed both Nazis and communism. > > Maybe I was just whooshed. Hard to tell. No I read it that way too. ---
**Author:** ![Budget\_Player\_Cadet](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/budget_player_cadet/32/205_2.png) [@Budget\_Player\_Cadet](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Budget_Player_Cadet)\ **Post date:** [August 23, 2019, 5:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/coming-soon-a-new-gender-neutral-bathroom-david-kochs-grave/839103/13 "2019-08-23T17:22:48Z")
It’s still fundamentally bullshit, mind you. This equivocation between someone who occasionally gave moderate political donations to democrats and two people who have built a conservative political movement based entirely on their money is [asinine](https://www.huffpost.com/entry/koch-brothers-liberal-counterpart_n_5113492). But it is helpful to conservatives to be able to say, “See, both sides do it!” :rolleyes: Soros is a scapegoat. The Koch brothers are a legitimate political force, [almost entirely for the detriment of humanity](https://theweek.com/articles/860632/terrifying-legacy-david-koch). I care as much about their contributions to the Smithsonian (contributions that pale compared to both their political contributions and their personal wealth) as I care about the genuine philanthropy of any other fucking monster. Less, even. ---
**Author:** ![CaptMurdock](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/captmurdock/32/11736_2.png) [@CaptMurdock](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/CaptMurdock)\ **Post date:** [August 23, 2019, 5:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/coming-soon-a-new-gender-neutral-bathroom-david-kochs-grave/839103/14 "2019-08-23T17:28:47Z")
> [@Shodan](#): > > Stay classy, dude. > > Regards, > Shodan Considering the source… :rolleyes: > [@Hermitian](#): > > I know everyone likes to make public figures either heroes or villains because that makes world simpler and makes it easier to draw lines to separate “us vs them.” > > However, I do not see David Koch as a simple one-dimensional evil conservative. He donated plenty of money and effort to various programs and causes. From Wikipedia: Yeah yeah yeah, and Al Capone gave money to soup kitchens. I do not see the Kochs as one-dimensional evil conservatives. I see them as the Magic Eye Stereograms of Evil Conservatives. Frankly, they are a walking argument for the estate tax. ---
**Author:** ![Unreconstructed\_Man](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/u/76d3ee/32.png) [@Unreconstructed\_Man](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Unreconstructed_Man)\ **Post date:** [August 23, 2019, 6:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/coming-soon-a-new-gender-neutral-bathroom-david-kochs-grave/839103/15 "2019-08-23T18:17:54Z")
One down… ---
**Author:** ![Chisquirrel](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/6bbea6/32.png) [@Chisquirrel](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chisquirrel)\ **Post date:** [August 23, 2019, 6:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/coming-soon-a-new-gender-neutral-bathroom-david-kochs-grave/839103/16 "2019-08-23T18:29:42Z")
> [@Shodan](#): > > Stay classy, dude. > > Regards, > Shodan That’s fucking hilarious coming from a shitstain like you. ---
**Author:** ![Try2B\_Comprehensive](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/try2b_comprehensive/32/65_2.png) [@Try2B\_Comprehensive](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Try2B_Comprehensive)\ **Post date:** [August 23, 2019, 6:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/coming-soon-a-new-gender-neutral-bathroom-david-kochs-grave/839103/17 "2019-08-23T18:39:29Z")
Hitler was nice to dogs. Definitely not one-dimensional. ---
**Author:** ![Swampwolf](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/8edcca/32.png) [@Swampwolf](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Swampwolf)\ **Post date:** [August 23, 2019, 6:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/coming-soon-a-new-gender-neutral-bathroom-david-kochs-grave/839103/18 "2019-08-23T18:56:57Z")
How long til we hear the Clintons had him killed? ---
**Author:** ![wolfpup](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/wolfpup/32/10618_2.png) [@wolfpup](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/wolfpup)\ **Post date:** [August 23, 2019, 7:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/coming-soon-a-new-gender-neutral-bathroom-david-kochs-grave/839103/19 "2019-08-23T19:00:04Z")
> [@Hermitian](#): > > I know everyone likes to make public figures either heroes or villains because that makes world simpler and makes it easier to draw lines to separate “us vs them.” > > However, I do not see David Koch as a simple one-dimensional evil conservative. He donated plenty of money and effort to various programs and causes. From Wikipedia: The infamous Robber Barons made large charitable contributions, too, in an effort to rehabilitate their reputations. But most of Koch’s donations were directly self-serving; his funding of educational institutions, for instance, was largely in the interests of indoctrinating new generations of like-minded libertarians. And his involvement with PBS had a malign influence on editorial policy in what had been the last vestige in America of independent television free of commercial influence, including [the cancellation of a documentary](https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2013/05/27/a-word-from-our-sponsor) describing the influence of Koch money in politics. ---
**Author:** ![Shodan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/9f8e36/32.png) [@Shodan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Shodan)\ **Post date:** [August 23, 2019, 7:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/coming-soon-a-new-gender-neutral-bathroom-david-kochs-grave/839103/20 "2019-08-23T19:02:45Z")
> [@Chisquirrel](#): > > That’s fucking hilarious coming from a shitstain like you. Sonny, you’re worse than stupid. You’re boring. Regards, Shodan [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/coming-soon-a-new-gender-neutral-bathroom-david-kochs-grave/839103.md?page=2)