# Coming soon, a new gender-neutral bathroom: David Koch's grave **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [August 23, 2019, 2:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/coming-soon-a-new-gender-neutral-bathroom-david-kochs-grave/839103 "2019-08-23T14:38:03Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 5
**Author:** ![bobot](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bobot/32/21622_2.png) [@bobot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bobot)\ **Post date:** [August 27, 2019, 5:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/coming-soon-a-new-gender-neutral-bathroom-david-kochs-grave/839103/81 "2019-08-27T17:44:48Z")
> [@Budget\_Player\_Cadet](#): > > Oh yeah, suck that Koch, suck it good. Correct me if I’m wrong, and maybe you don’t remember, but I’m pretty sure it was you that recently admonished me for making fun of Trump for being fat. You said that it would be insensitive to other people that were fat, and who weren’t Trump. I thought: “Now there’s a guy who is sensitive and understands little things that could be hurtful to those unintended.” Are you saying here that there is something shameful about sucking cock? ---
**Author:** ![Budget\_Player\_Cadet](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/budget_player_cadet/32/205_2.png) [@Budget\_Player\_Cadet](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Budget_Player_Cadet)\ **Post date:** [August 27, 2019, 6:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/coming-soon-a-new-gender-neutral-bathroom-david-kochs-grave/839103/82 "2019-08-27T18:05:06Z")
> [@pool](#): > > Yeah but at least you’re not bitter about it, that’s the important thing. If you’re part of my generation and you’re not _at the very least_ bitter, you should probably be marked off as legally dead for all the awareness of the world around you you have. ---
**Author:** ![Budget\_Player\_Cadet](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/budget_player_cadet/32/205_2.png) [@Budget\_Player\_Cadet](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Budget_Player_Cadet)\ **Post date:** [August 27, 2019, 6:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/coming-soon-a-new-gender-neutral-bathroom-david-kochs-grave/839103/83 "2019-08-27T18:08:31Z")
> [@bobot](#): > > Correct me if I’m wrong, and maybe you don’t remember, but I’m pretty sure it was you that recently admonished me for making fun of Trump for being fat. You said that it would be insensitive to other people that were fat, and who weren’t Trump. I thought: “Now there’s a guy who is sensitive and understands little things that could be hurtful to those unintended.” > Are you saying here that there is something shameful about sucking cock? No, I’m saying that the action most appropriately approximated by these kind folks defending David Koch is that of gratuitous, selfless sexual pleasure of another. ---
**Author:** ![Inigo\_Montoya](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/inigo_montoya/32/124_2.png) [@Inigo\_Montoya](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Inigo_Montoya)\ **Post date:** [August 27, 2019, 7:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/coming-soon-a-new-gender-neutral-bathroom-david-kochs-grave/839103/84 "2019-08-27T19:46:23Z")
You gonna suck that Koch? ---
**Author:** ![Omar\_Little](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/omar_little/32/269_2.png) [@Omar\_Little](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Omar_Little)\ **Post date:** [August 27, 2019, 7:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/coming-soon-a-new-gender-neutral-bathroom-david-kochs-grave/839103/85 "2019-08-27T19:46:32Z")
Clarifying facts is not defending Your obsession towards their family, gives the impression that you suck more Koch than you realize. ---
**Author:** ![Gatopescado](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gatopescado/32/5711_2.png) [@Gatopescado](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gatopescado)\ **Post date:** [August 27, 2019, 11:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/coming-soon-a-new-gender-neutral-bathroom-david-kochs-grave/839103/86 "2019-08-27T23:32:20Z")
> [@Kimstu](#): > > :rolleyes: This from the guy whose response to a thread about a touching story of the death of a bedridden woman after bidding farewell to her beloved horse in the hospital parking lot was to snark [“Did they upgrade her condition to ‘stable’?”](https://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=17914485&postcount=24) I don’t care what you say, that was fucking funny. If Colbert made that crack, he’d get a fucking Emmy. ---
**Author:** ![Bryan\_Ekers](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bryan_ekers/32/183_2.png) [@Bryan\_Ekers](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bryan_Ekers)\ **Post date:** [August 28, 2019, 12:50am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/coming-soon-a-new-gender-neutral-bathroom-david-kochs-grave/839103/87 "2019-08-28T00:50:02Z")
Ximenean’s comment was better. ---
**Author:** ![Razncain](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/9d8465/32.png) [@Razncain](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Razncain)\ **Post date:** [August 28, 2019, 1:14am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/coming-soon-a-new-gender-neutral-bathroom-david-kochs-grave/839103/88 "2019-08-28T01:14:35Z")
> [@Omar\_Little](#): > > You are naïve and ignorant. > > China’s state owned coal industry, Saudi Aramco, ExxonMobil, and Russia’s Gazprom are the largest polluting organizations. Koch Industries, doesn’t even make the top 100 organizations: [Just 100 Companies Are Responsible for 71% of Global Carbon Emissions | Fortune](https://fortune.com/2017/07/10/climate-change-green-house-gases/) > > And the reason most of these organizations are on the list because they produce fossil fuels, that you, me, and everyone else in the world consumes to transport ourselves, the products we purchase, etc. So lump yourself in that category. There is more than just carbon as air pollution. I’ve got charts too. It’s no news to know that China is a big polluter, then the US, as well as some other countries companies. But c’mon, going mostly outside of the country and also to a state owned coal company in China’s 1.4 billion population and saying lookee here, they produced more than the Koch brothers, as if that’s a high honor. The most toxic air polluters if PERI is correct for US, in [2016 report based on 2014 data](https://www.peri.umass.edu/toxic-100-air-polluters-index-2016-report-based-on-2014-data) was Aloca, Dupont, Bayer, General Electric, then Exxon Mobil, Berkshire Hathaway Lyondell Basell Inudstries, and in the 8th position, the Koch Brothers, if we are counting air pollution as a whole. The [2016 PERI report](https://www.peri.umass.edu/toxic-100-air-polluters-index-2018-report-based-on-2015-data) based on 2014 data shows the Koch brothers have fallen to 13th, but hey, they can keep working on it, they have time to shoot for number 1. And I don’t know how corrupt the others are, but the Koch brothers have had their share of it. Also worth citing: [PolitiFact.](https://www.politifact.com/nevada/statements/2016/jul/19/harry-reid/reid-right-claiming-kochs-produce-more-pollution-o/) ---
**Author:** ![Razncain](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/9d8465/32.png) [@Razncain](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Razncain)\ **Post date:** [August 28, 2019, 11:53am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/coming-soon-a-new-gender-neutral-bathroom-david-kochs-grave/839103/89 "2019-08-28T11:53:43Z")
> [@Razncain](#): > > The [2016 PERI report](https://www.peri.umass.edu/toxic-100-air-polluters-index-2018-report-based-on-2015-data) based on 2014 data shows the Koch brothers have fallen to 13th That one should read the 2018 report based on 2015 data. ---
**Author:** ![Omar\_Little](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/omar_little/32/269_2.png) [@Omar\_Little](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Omar_Little)\ **Post date:** [August 28, 2019, 3:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/coming-soon-a-new-gender-neutral-bathroom-david-kochs-grave/839103/90 "2019-08-28T15:01:05Z")
**Razncain** this is all pollution (for all the companies you listed) within the legal limits established by regulatory bodies. Do you use motorized transportation? Do you consume goods that are transported by motorized transportation? If you do, then you are responsible for the demand that these companies are fulfilling. So your ire and contempt should equally be directed at yourself. ---
**Author:** ![Razncain](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/9d8465/32.png) [@Razncain](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Razncain)\ **Post date:** [August 28, 2019, 8:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/coming-soon-a-new-gender-neutral-bathroom-david-kochs-grave/839103/91 "2019-08-28T20:43:40Z")
> [@Omar\_Little](#): > > **Razncain** this is all pollution (for all the companies you listed) within the legal limits established by regulatory bodies. Do you use motorized transportation? Do you consume goods that are transported by motorized transportation? > > If you do, then you are responsible for the demand that these companies are fulfilling. So your ire and contempt should equally be directed at yourself. Omar, did you have a bowel movement today, I assumed you’re breathing, eat any red meat, what exactly is your [carbon footprint?](https://www.dumpsters.com/blog/what-does-your-carbon-footprint-mean) That’s the more revelant question if one has a concern about the planet, it’s hopefully going to come in smaller. I seriously doubt you would come anywhere close to me in how little mine is living in a modernized world. Concerning meeting the standards of the regulatory bodies, that often comes with a smile and a wink, generally under Republican administrations including this one, the EPA and others has their teeth removed for the most part. Most prefer denial and conspiracy, and just sweep all of it under the rug including the President without giving it hardly any thought at all, and just jobs jobs jobs, coal is good, windmills bad, create cancer, kill birds, etc, etc. The neutral based [Politifact](https://www.politifact.com/punditfact/statements/2014/apr/09/bob-beckel/bob-beckel-koch-brothers-are-one-biggest-polluters/) says of Becker when he said they were one of the biggest polluters in the country, that that statement is true. They consistently score in the top 100 year after year, usually more at the top than middle or bottom. One example shown is how inefficient and sloppy they are with the pollutants. Koch spokesmen often want to claim it’s their size, which obviously should be allowed into the equation. But the EPA used some data for a comparison of Honeywell corporation which has about 60 plants vs Koch’s 100. They obviously state one should expect more releases with each plant. A “Koch plant generated about five times as much as each Honeywell plant. Roughly speaking, the comparison was about 500,000 pounds of chemical releases compared to about 100,000. So the number of plants alone doesn’t explain the Koch brothers’ high numbers.” Many other arguments are expressed in [the Rolling Stones Article about the Koch Brothers](https://www.rollingstone.com/politics/politics-news/inside-the-koch-brothers-toxic-empire-164403/) [Koch Brothers response, along with Rolling Stone point by point take on their answers.](https://www.rollingstone.com/politics/politics-news/koch-industries-responds-to-rolling-stone-and-we-answer-back-237090/) ---
**Author:** ![Omar\_Little](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/omar_little/32/269_2.png) [@Omar\_Little](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Omar_Little)\ **Post date:** [August 28, 2019, 9:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/coming-soon-a-new-gender-neutral-bathroom-david-kochs-grave/839103/92 "2019-08-28T21:38:26Z")
Nice deflection. Let’s ignore the Koch’s for a second. Pollution in your mind is a horrible evil, even those amounts permitted under law. With that standard it makes no difference if you are a light polluter or a heavy polluter. To get back to Koch. Koch Industries has been in existence for about 80 years. How many administration changes have occurred during that time? 42 years under Democratic administrations, and 38 years under Republican administrations. That doesn’t even count the various state regulations under various party regimes. You don’t design environment programs that flip a switch to depending on which party is in power. Comparing Honeywell to Koch is laughable. Do you even know what industries the two companies are primarily in within the US? Honeywell primarily makes electronic devices, equipment, etc. Koch’s two largest businesses are oil refining and pulp and paper manufacturing. Based on that alone, Koch is going to generate more emissions. Try and educate yourself. ---
**Author:** ![Buck\_Godot](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/buck_godot/32/6573_2.png) [@Buck\_Godot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Buck_Godot)\ **Post date:** [August 28, 2019, 10:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/coming-soon-a-new-gender-neutral-bathroom-david-kochs-grave/839103/93 "2019-08-28T22:09:31Z")
> [@Omar\_Little](#): > > You don’t design environment programs that flip a switch to depending on which party is in power. Of course it takes more than a flick of a switch, it takes a massive multi million dollar campaign to convince people to ignore the science, and determine that the proper legal amount of pollution is set to just over the amount the Koch industries happen to be producing. ---
**Author:** ![Omar\_Little](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/omar_little/32/269_2.png) [@Omar\_Little](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Omar_Little)\ **Post date:** [August 28, 2019, 10:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/coming-soon-a-new-gender-neutral-bathroom-david-kochs-grave/839103/94 "2019-08-28T22:12:37Z")
> [@Buck\_Godot](#): > > Of course it takes more than a flick of a switch, it takes a massive multi million dollar campaign to convince people to ignore the science, and determine that the proper legal amount of pollution is set to just over the amount the Koch industries happen to be producing. So you’re saying that during over half the time the company has been in existence the Democratic administrations in charge just never did anything to tighten those regulations or they to were swayed by the lobbying efforts? ---
**Author:** ![Kimstu](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/ecd19e/32.png) [@Kimstu](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kimstu)\ **Post date:** [August 29, 2019, 1:32am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/coming-soon-a-new-gender-neutral-bathroom-david-kochs-grave/839103/95 "2019-08-29T01:32:48Z")
> [@Gatopescado](#): > > I don’t care what you say, that was fucking funny. Sure, but referring to David Koch’s grave as “a new gender-neutral bathroom” is also funny. Sauce for the goose, sauce for the gander. For the guy who made the former tasteless quip about the death of an inoffensive private individual to get all po-faced and fingerwaggy about lack of “classiness” in the latter tasteless quip about the death of David Koch is just plain hypocritical. ---
**Author:** ![Razncain](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/9d8465/32.png) [@Razncain](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Razncain)\ **Post date:** [August 29, 2019, 3:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/coming-soon-a-new-gender-neutral-bathroom-david-kochs-grave/839103/96 "2019-08-29T15:45:42Z")
> [@Omar\_Little](#): > > Nice deflection. Let’s ignore the Koch’s for a second. Let’s not, because seriously, it’s not a deflection, this has been your main argument from the get-go, is you stating it is naive and ignorant to think that the Koch brothers are one of the biggest polluters. You’re here to educate, or ya? Politifact and the PERI reports is of little concern to you apparently. What would qualify to you as being the biggest polluters then? Have you at least read the _Sons of Wichita_? Looked at any of the court cases on-line or elsewhere, read any of the links provided so far? You seem to conclude that since when measuring carbon, the Koch brothers didn’t show up on the Fortune 100 on a world wide scale, the Koch brothers are not the top polluters. Also said Honeywell isn’t a fair comparison (possible), because Koch brothers is mostly oil (not true), and now pulp, while Honeywell is not. Whatever the right to know act and the parameters the EPA used for the test, I do not know, but it’s main concern wasn’t carbon, but for all chemicals being released. Regardless, refineries are not as much of the Koch brothers operations as you must perceive. You can’t seem to even grasp why the Fortune 100 didn’t list them on their carbon emissions list. Had you read the link I provided you, you’re going to find during the decades the Koch brothers were really running amuck on polluting the air, water and land with all of their plants, their oil and refinery business actually only made up 5% at the time, and that figure went down after it had to shut down another one at the North Pole. They were small players in the US with that aspect of their business, and certainly more so on a world-wide level. Do you now see why they wouldn’t have shown up on the Fortune 100 as biggest polluters with carbon emissions around the world? Why is it you can’t seem to even grasp this? Do you understand better now, teach, or do I need to dumb it down even more? I can get you the pertinent court cases, newspaper articles, books, and some more links on the massive amount of fraud, pollution, and cover-up that has went on for decades from the Koch brothers, but nothing has gotten through thus far. I can’t make you read it, and I can’t understand it for you. ---
**Author:** ![Razncain](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/9d8465/32.png) [@Razncain](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Razncain)\ **Post date:** [August 29, 2019, 3:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/coming-soon-a-new-gender-neutral-bathroom-david-kochs-grave/839103/97 "2019-08-29T15:59:40Z")
> [@Omar\_Little](#): > > So you’re saying that during over half the time the company has been in existence the Democratic administrations in charge just never did anything to tighten those regulations or they to were swayed by the lobbying efforts? Read the Rolling Stone article, believe it covers some there. If not, I’ll give you some serious differences of what went on under the Clinton administration on what the Koch brothers were being charged with, but then by the time it got to Bush, what happened. Both parties are being influenced, just more so Republicans, particularly in Congress with the Koch money. ---
**Author:** ![Scumpup](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ce73a5/32.png) [@Scumpup](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Scumpup)\ **Post date:** [August 29, 2019, 4:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/coming-soon-a-new-gender-neutral-bathroom-david-kochs-grave/839103/98 "2019-08-29T16:04:07Z")
> [@Chisquirrel](#): > > And you’re **Shodan**. I’m still coming out ahead in the bigger picture. Clearly, you need to recalibrate your instruments. ---
**Author:** ![Shodan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/9f8e36/32.png) [@Shodan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Shodan)\ **Post date:** [August 30, 2019, 5:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/coming-soon-a-new-gender-neutral-bathroom-david-kochs-grave/839103/99 "2019-08-30T17:18:33Z")
> [@Scumpup](#): > > Clearly, you need to recalibrate your instruments. He sent you a dick pic too? Regards, Shodan ---
**Author:** ![SteveG1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/bb73d2/32.png) [@SteveG1](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SteveG1)\ **Post date:** [September 2, 2019, 3:14am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/coming-soon-a-new-gender-neutral-bathroom-david-kochs-grave/839103/100 "2019-09-02T03:14:59Z")
What it all comes down to, is the no good crooked bastard is dead. I’m just sorry it took so long, and I hope his lousy brother goes soon too. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/coming-soon-a-new-gender-neutral-bathroom-david-kochs-grave/839103.md?page=4) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/coming-soon-a-new-gender-neutral-bathroom-david-kochs-grave/839103.md?page=6)