# Commentator says W should make himself president-for-life, & colonize Iraq **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [August 14, 2007, 6:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/commentator-says-w-should-make-himself-president-for-life-colonize-iraq/415586 "2007-08-14T18:46:38Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![BrainGlutton](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/82dd89/32.png) [@BrainGlutton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BrainGlutton)\ **Post date:** [August 14, 2007, 6:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/commentator-says-w-should-make-himself-president-for-life-colonize-iraq/415586/1 "2007-08-14T18:46:38Z")
I got this from a [DU thread,](http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=389x1574242) the title of which is, “Group that advocated Bush become “President-for-Life” linked to Bush Administration itself” – which I think overstates the case. The article in question appeared on the website of [Family Security Matters,](http://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php?title=Family_Security_Matters) a neocon organization which turns out to be a front for the [Center for Security Policy,](http://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php?title=Center_for_Security_Policy#Personnel) which does include, or has included, Dick Cheney in its membership. A tenuous connection. Furthermore, the [article](http://64.233.167.104/search?q=cache:cnnnSRimWmcJ:www.familysecuritymatters.org/index.php%3Fid%3D1208571+%22president+for+life+bush%22+site:familysecuritymatters.org&hl=en&ct=clnk&cd=3&gl=us&client=firefox-a) was shortly pulled from FSM’s [website](http://www.familysecuritymatters.org/) and now is available only through Google cache. But its content! That this was ever written and published at all, even in such an obscure venue, is more than astonishing! > [@](#): > > The wisest course would have been for President Bush to use his nuclear weapons to slaughter Iraqis until they complied with his demands, or until they were all dead. Then there would be little risk or expense and no American army would be left exposed. But if he did this, his cowardly electorate would have instantly ended his term of office, if not his freedom or his life. > > The simple truth that modern weapons now mean a nation must practice genocide or commit suicide. Israel provides the perfect example. If the Israelis do not raze Iran, the Iranians will fulfill their boast and wipe Israel off the face of the earth. Yet Israel is not popular, and so is denied permission to defend itself. In the same vein, President Bush cannot do what is necessary for the survival of Americans. He cannot use the nation’s powerful weapons. All he can do is try and discover a result that will be popular with Americans. > > \ > > However, President Bush has a valuable historical example that he could choose to follow. > > When the ancient Roman general Julius Caesar was struggling to conquer ancient Gaul, he not only had to defeat the Gauls, but he also had to defeat his political enemies in Rome who would destroy him the moment his tenure as consul (president) ended. > > Caesar pacified Gaul by mass slaughter; he then used his successful army to crush all political opposition at home and establish himself as permanent ruler of ancient Rome. This brilliant action not only ended the personal threat to Caesar, but ended the civil chaos that was threatening anarchy in ancient Rome – thus marking the start of the ancient Roman Empire that gave peace and prosperity to the known world. > > If President Bush copied Julius Caesar by ordering his army to empty Iraq of Arabs and repopulate the country with Americans, he would achieve immediate results: popularity with his military; enrichment of America by converting an Arabian Iraq into an American Iraq (therefore turning it from a liability to an asset); and boost American prestiege while terrifying American enemies. > > He could then follow Caesar’s example and use his newfound popularity with the military to wield military power to become the first permanent president of America, and end the civil chaos caused by the continually squabbling Congress and the out-of-control Supreme Court. > > President Bush can fail in his duty to himself, his country, and his God, by becoming “ex-president” Bush or he can become “President-for-Life” Bush: the conqueror of Iraq, who brings sense to the Congress and sanity to the Supreme Court. Then who would be able to stop Bush from emulating Augustus Caesar and becoming ruler of the world? For only an America united under one ruler has the power to save humanity from the threat of a new Dark Age wrought by terrorists armed with nuclear weapons. > > # > > [FamilySecurityMatters.org](http://FamilySecurityMatters.org) Contributing Editor Philip Atkinson is the British born founder of [ourcivilisation.com](http://ourcivilisation.com) and author of A Study of Our Decline. He is a philosopher specializing in issues concerning the preservation of Western civilization. Mr. Atkinson receives mail at [rpa@ourcivilisation.com](mailto:rpa@ourcivilisation.com). Is this meant as parody?! How can anyone in the English-speaking world seriously think in these terms in this day and age?! Who (beyond the above description) **is** this Philip Atkinson?! ---
**Author:** ![vibrotronica](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/v/a9a28c/32.png) [@vibrotronica](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/vibrotronica)\ **Post date:** [August 14, 2007, 6:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/commentator-says-w-should-make-himself-president-for-life-colonize-iraq/415586/2 "2007-08-14T18:52:04Z")
holy shit ---
**Author:** ![Kid\_A\_1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/ed8c4c/32.png) [@Kid\_A\_1](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kid_A_1)\ **Post date:** [August 14, 2007, 6:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/commentator-says-w-should-make-himself-president-for-life-colonize-iraq/415586/3 "2007-08-14T18:54:26Z")
Me thinks it’s satire. It has to be. Right? ---
**Author:** ![Mosier](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/7ea924/32.png) [@Mosier](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mosier)\ **Post date:** [August 14, 2007, 6:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/commentator-says-w-should-make-himself-president-for-life-colonize-iraq/415586/4 "2007-08-14T18:55:22Z")
It’s nuts all right, but getting worked up about it doesn’t make any sense. It’s either 1) A parody and not really worth talking about, or 2) Written by some nutters, and not really worth talking about. ---
**Author:** ![Ponder\_Stibbons](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ponder_stibbons/32/343_2.png) [@Ponder\_Stibbons](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ponder_Stibbons)\ **Post date:** [August 14, 2007, 6:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/commentator-says-w-should-make-himself-president-for-life-colonize-iraq/415586/5 "2007-08-14T18:55:48Z")
So, the rant here is that someone posted something totally batshit insane? On the internet? How outrageous! I’ve never heard of such a thing! ---
**Author:** ![Baron\_Greenback](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/baron_greenback/32/48_2.png) [@Baron\_Greenback](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Baron_Greenback)\ **Post date:** [August 14, 2007, 6:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/commentator-says-w-should-make-himself-president-for-life-colonize-iraq/415586/6 "2007-08-14T18:58:21Z")
[QUOTE=BrainGlutton] Who (beyond the above description) **is** this Philip Atkinson?! [/QUOTE] [Here](http://www.ourcivilisation.com/author.htm) is a self-penned bio from his own website. The guy, ummm, has _issues_. ---
**Author:** ![UncleRojelio](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/unclerojelio/32/3160_2.png) [@UncleRojelio](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/UncleRojelio)\ **Post date:** [August 14, 2007, 7:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/commentator-says-w-should-make-himself-president-for-life-colonize-iraq/415586/7 "2007-08-14T19:06:33Z")
> [@](#): > > If President Bush copied Julius Caesar by ordering his army to empty Iraq of Arabs and repopulate the country with Americans, he would achieve immediate results: popularity with his military; enrichment of America by converting an Arabian Iraq into an American Iraq (therefore turning it from a liability to an asset); and boost American prestiege while terrifying American enemies. I ain’t moving to Iraq. Texas is hot enough for me thankyouverymuch. ---
**Author:** ![Plynck](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/3e96dc/32.png) [@Plynck](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Plynck)\ **Post date:** [August 14, 2007, 7:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/commentator-says-w-should-make-himself-president-for-life-colonize-iraq/415586/8 "2007-08-14T19:10:03Z")
> [@](#): > > If President Bush copied Julius Caesar by ordering his army to empty Iraq of Arabs and repopulate the country with Americans, he would achieve immediate results: popularity with his military; enrichment of America by converting an Arabian Iraq into an American Iraq (therefore turning it from a liability to an asset); and boost American prestiege while terrifying American enemies. And just how far should he take this mimicry? Giving the State of the Union from the Forum in a toga while surrounded by honorable men? I have mixed feelings… ---
**Author:** ![OneCentStamp](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/13edae/32.png) [@OneCentStamp](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/OneCentStamp)\ **Post date:** [August 14, 2007, 7:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/commentator-says-w-should-make-himself-president-for-life-colonize-iraq/415586/9 "2007-08-14T19:11:31Z")
[QUOTE=Struan] [Here](http://www.ourcivilisation.com/author.htm) is a self-penned bio from his own website. The guy, ummm, has _issues_. [/QUOTE] > [@Philip Atkinson](#): > > And I was fortunate that my second wife, an Australian by birth, was happy to work so her husband did not, and for the first time in my life I was blessed with leisure. Not only did I not have to toil, but also I did not have to worry about paying the bills Sometimes, the term _total fucking putz on rye with a side of potato salad_ seems hopelessly inadequate. How am I supposed to take this douchebag seriously about _anything_? ---
**Author:** ![Baron\_Greenback](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/baron_greenback/32/48_2.png) [@Baron\_Greenback](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Baron_Greenback)\ **Post date:** [August 14, 2007, 7:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/commentator-says-w-should-make-himself-president-for-life-colonize-iraq/415586/10 "2007-08-14T19:11:59Z")
[QUOTE=Plynck] And just how far should he take this mimicry? Giving the State of the Union from the Forum in a toga while surrounded by honorable men? [/QUOTE] And how long until The Ides of March? Et tu, Condi? ---
**Author:** ![NDP](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ndp/32/55_2.png) [@NDP](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/NDP)\ **Post date:** [August 14, 2007, 7:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/commentator-says-w-should-make-himself-president-for-life-colonize-iraq/415586/11 "2007-08-14T19:16:18Z")
[QUOTE=Mosier] It’s nuts all right, but getting worked up about it doesn’t make any sense. It’s either 1) A parody and not really worth talking about, or 2) Written by some nutters, and not really worth talking about. [/QUOTE] It could also be 3) A hoax written and planted in the Family Security Matters website by some anonymous hacker to embarrass the group and not really worth talking about. For the record, I don’t support the Bush presidency, the War in Iraq, and Family Security Matters. It’s just that this thing looks like it could be the work of a political prankster. ---
**Author:** ![BrainGlutton](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/82dd89/32.png) [@BrainGlutton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BrainGlutton)\ **Post date:** [August 14, 2007, 7:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/commentator-says-w-should-make-himself-president-for-life-colonize-iraq/415586/12 "2007-08-14T19:16:39Z")
[QUOTE=Ponder Stibbons] So, the rant here is that someone posted something totally batshit insane? On the internet? How outrageous! I’ve never heard of such a thing! [/QUOTE] I know, I know, but this is a bit beyond. This is stuff that would give Anne “Kill All Their Leaders and Convert Them to Christianity” Coulter the heebie-jeebies. ---
**Author:** ![BrainGlutton](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/82dd89/32.png) [@BrainGlutton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BrainGlutton)\ **Post date:** [August 14, 2007, 7:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/commentator-says-w-should-make-himself-president-for-life-colonize-iraq/415586/13 "2007-08-14T19:20:18Z")
[QUOTE=NDP] It could also be 3) A hoax written and planted in the Family Security Matters website by some anonymous hacker to embarrass the group and not really worth talking about. For the record, I don’t support the Bush presidency, the War in Iraq, and Family Security Matters. It’s just that this thing looks like it could be the work of a political prankster. [/QUOTE] All Atkinson’s articles appear to have have been pulled from the FSM website, at any rate. We can only speculate as to why. ---
**Author:** ![Bryan\_Ekers](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bryan_ekers/32/183_2.png) [@Bryan\_Ekers](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bryan_Ekers)\ **Post date:** [August 14, 2007, 7:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/commentator-says-w-should-make-himself-president-for-life-colonize-iraq/415586/14 "2007-08-14T19:22:09Z")
[QUOTE=Ponder Stibbons] So, the rant here is that someone posted something totally batshit insane? On the internet? How outrageous! I’ve never heard of such a thing! [/QUOTE] What’s the internet coming to when these sorts of shenanigans go on?! ---
**Author:** ![Uvula\_Donor](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/u/e19adc/32.png) [@Uvula\_Donor](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Uvula_Donor)\ **Post date:** [August 14, 2007, 7:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/commentator-says-w-should-make-himself-president-for-life-colonize-iraq/415586/15 "2007-08-14T19:35:19Z")
:yawn: ---
**Author:** ![athelas](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/5e9695/32.png) [@athelas](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/athelas)\ **Post date:** [August 14, 2007, 7:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/commentator-says-w-should-make-himself-president-for-life-colonize-iraq/415586/16 "2007-08-14T19:36:39Z")
To be fair, though, Iraq does have some of the best terrain on the map. Saladin’s camel archers don’t stand a chance, and we can convert the area into a GP farm. ---
**Author:** ![Marley23](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/45deac/32.png) [@Marley23](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Marley23)\ **Post date:** [August 14, 2007, 7:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/commentator-says-w-should-make-himself-president-for-life-colonize-iraq/415586/17 "2007-08-14T19:38:30Z")
I think it’s weird that this guy likes to talk about civilization while advocating mass genocide and dictatorship. He doesn’t sound like a civilization fan. 😛 > [@Plynck](#): > > And just how far should he take this mimicry? Giving the State of the Union from the Forum in a toga while surrounded by honorable men? I guess it’d be his first time in a toga… sober. ---
**Author:** ![Cheesesteak](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cheesesteak/32/3694_2.png) [@Cheesesteak](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cheesesteak)\ **Post date:** [August 14, 2007, 7:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/commentator-says-w-should-make-himself-president-for-life-colonize-iraq/415586/18 "2007-08-14T19:46:22Z")
[QUOTE=Ponder Stibbons] So, the rant here is that someone posted something totally batshit insane? On the internet? How outrageous! I’ve never heard of such a thing! [/QUOTE] Actually, I think the problem is that it was briefly published on a website that is supposedly a front for an organization that Dick Cheney was involved with 20 years ago. Clearly, we need to be concerned that Bush was simply sending up a trial balloon to see if people would object to him becoming president for life. His popularity is soaring to near 30%, so there’s a chance we’d all be OK with it. ---
**Author:** ![Captain\_Amazing](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/6de8d8/32.png) [@Captain\_Amazing](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Captain_Amazing)\ **Post date:** [August 14, 2007, 8:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/commentator-says-w-should-make-himself-president-for-life-colonize-iraq/415586/19 "2007-08-14T20:21:20Z")
[QUOTE=Marley23] I think it’s weird that this guy likes to talk about civilization while advocating mass genocide and dictatorship. He doesn’t sound like a civilization fan. 😛 [/QUOTE] You pretty much nead civilization for mass genocide and dictatorship. I mean, that sort of stuff doesn’t just happen…it takes work. ---
**Author:** ![Der\_Trihs](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/der_trihs/32/233_2.png) [@Der\_Trihs](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Der_Trihs)\ **Post date:** [August 14, 2007, 8:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/commentator-says-w-should-make-himself-president-for-life-colonize-iraq/415586/20 "2007-08-14T20:34:37Z")
[QUOTE=BrainGlutton] Is this meant as parody?! How can anyone in the English-speaking world seriously think in these terms in this day and age?! [/QUOTE] I get into arguments on other message boards with people who are as bad or worse on an occasional basis. And yes, there are worse; at least he didn’t argue for killing ever single person outside the borders of America, or go the kill-the-whole-world route like some of the Christian Rapture believers. Nuke the evil Ay-rabs isn’t that uncommon a sentiment, as far as I can tell. [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/commentator-says-w-should-make-himself-president-for-life-colonize-iraq/415586.md?page=2)