# Comments on ATMB remarks from Tuba **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [September 22, 2005, 11:19am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/comments-on-atmb-remarks-from-tuba/322863 "2005-09-22T11:19:13Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![Liberal](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/848f3c/32.png) [@Liberal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Liberal)\ **Post date:** [September 22, 2005, 11:19am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/comments-on-atmb-remarks-from-tuba/322863/1 "2005-09-22T11:19:13Z")
Reference: [http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?p=6498572#post6498572](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?p=6498572#post6498572) > [@TubaDiva](#): > > Not playing the death card, as in “I’m fixing to die, so be nice to me” would be a great start. “Jesus is taking me home” may have worked for Oral Roberts, but that has traditionally been seen here as a lousy way to try to win an argument. I said nothing like what you quoted. Not that it would make one shred of difference, but from [here](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=2171051&postcount=9): “Falsely attributing a quote to another user, or modifying another’s post in order to cast him/her in a bad light, even if meant in jest, is grounds for revocation of your posting privileges.” — Arnold Winkelried, Administrator > [@](#): > > We also want him – and everyone else – to lay off the constant political hijacks. Yes, there’s quite a bit of hijacking that goes on in threads and sometimes they end up being more interesting when they go in new directions, etc., but to make everything the same dreary political argument all the damn time, that’s abusive. If you find in an existing thread you want to be all political about it, make another thread already. This is especially true of threads in areas that are more nonpolitical. For [the record](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=6453450&postcount=217): "That is rather the point, however. Several people can see actions in Lib’s posts that they cannot describe in ways that make a clear case that he is behaving against the rules–or even differently than other posters. Your report and follow-up discussion was not sufficiently persuasive to bring me OR Gaudere OR MEBuckner to your position, (not even to the point where we might have discussed, but then dismissed, the possibility of your charge being valid). I am not, in any way, claiming that you or anyone else is simply carrying out an irrational vendetta. I am noting that whether it is nitpicking language to death, injecting bitter comments, defending an opposing view long past the point of relevance, expressing oneself in ways that others misunderstand, or even occasionally presenting a binary world view, Lib has no monopoly on those behaviors. I accept the sincerity of your opinion. Unfortunately, your sincerity has not provided enough evidence to persuade me." — TomnDebb, Moderator And [from here](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=6454562&postcount=239): "Y’know, I have never received a report against Liberal in which he was doing anything different than a dozen other posters–often in the same thread. One-line drive by? Yep, post #10. Is he the only poster who has done that? Not this week, much less as a habit. Semantic quibbling? Heck, user\_hostile submitted the silliest one line drive-by and semantic quibble (possibly in jest) that kicked off the whole brouhaha, confusing the style of the four states which carry “commonwealth” in their titles with a form of government, yet I saw no one report him and you have not raised any objection to that post." —TomnDebb, Moderator > [@](#): > > Liberal is aware of all of this. No, he isn’t. And he wasn’t when you removed his ability to respond and then told everyone what allegedly was in his head. > [@](#): > > Whether he chooses to do something about it or not remains to be seen, but again, we’re gonna give him the benefit of the doubt here when he comes back. Benefit? I think you misspelled “malediction”. And what do you want me to do something about? I’m not guilty either of your misattribution or your third-hand opinion of my alleged hijacking. > [@](#): > > It has been brought to my attention that some may believe my characterization above is what Liberal actually wrote in the kerfuffle that caused him to be suspended. > > For the record, here is what he said exactly, dropped in the middle of a big argument he was having with a lot of other people: Actually, it was near the end of a long paragraph in a quiet discussion I was having with Wring. And I went on to say that it was no big deal, that the universe is not real, and that there is no life in the atoms — _the same thing I’ve said consistently for six years straight_. You might have taken your evidence from RedFury, or one of the other screaming idjits, but certainly not from anything I’ve ever written. > [@](#): > > Comes out of the “You’ll be sorry when I’m dead” songbook afaic. We’re not having it. Frankly, if you want to write my book, you should pay me royalties. I honestly have no idea why you suspended me. Your alleged reasons are demonstrably false and wrongheaded. You even violated your own rules in concocting them. I’ll make the same point now that I made before the suspension — I have no intention of changing anything. The comment I made then was appropos of [this post from Spiritus Mundi](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=6470378&postcount=322), advising me to be myself. It had nothing to do with the ongoing sniping from a small gallery. I offer no apology. I have no regrets. The only way I can mollify you and a couple of others is to change who I am and how I view the world. That ain’t gonna happen without some major epiphany in my life. All you’ve succeeded in doing with this gaffe in judgment is to validate the claims of Biggirl, RedFury, and the anonymous cowards who gathered off-board to plan how to manipulate you (the proof of which you’ve either deleted or put in your hidden forum, but that I have on disk) and the rest of what they perceive as a hapless administration into getting rid of me. And spare me any martyr crap. If people really are plotting your demise, you’re not paranoid. Maybe you thought that by suspending me, you could counter claims that I had enough pull to have threads closed and such, like the claim made by Biggirl [here](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=6445847&postcount=1). For the record, Dex picked me to scold, but stressed that his comment was [a general one](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=6445718&postcount=63), and that the Daily Show threads had bothered him for some time, with their unabashed political comment. So much so, in fact, that he [covered the issue](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=6567039&postcount=5) in his rules thread — _more than three weeks after my postings ceased_. Well, what’s done is done. And you’ve left me in an impossible predicament. If I comment on any topic of any thread based on how I view the world, you can scream “hijack!”. In fact, as the record shows, you can scream it anyway. If I start new threads every time I have a comment, you make me into a Reeder, filling the forums with new threads for every little point I want to make. I daresay that you will be equally displeased when the complaints begin about that. So, the only options left to me are three: (1) suppress myself and post as though I were someone else, (2) stop posting, or (3) post less often and less acerbically, but remain true to myself. I’m choosing door number three. In fact, I won’t be back in this thread, or even back in the Pit at all, which is where most of the board’s cruelty — including that coming from me — takes place. I’d like to have responded in the ATMB thread, but this is critical of you in your capacity as administrator, and therefore by the rules belongs in the Pit. During my hiatus, some wonderful things happened. I got a lot of work done. I began corresponding with Dopers in calm and meaningful debates over focused issues. I got a lot of work done. And I engineered for my wife the surprise of her life, by bringing all the kids and grandchildren to our house from all over the country for her birthday. > [@](#): > > your humble TubaDiva Diva, certainly. Humble, not so much. ---
**Author:** ![Harborwolf](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/c89c15/32.png) [@Harborwolf](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Harborwolf)\ **Post date:** [September 22, 2005, 11:30am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/comments-on-atmb-remarks-from-tuba/322863/2 "2005-09-22T11:30:01Z")
Not to hijack the thread or anything, but welcome back Liberal. Board hasn’t been the same without ya, though I’m not sure if that’s a good thing or a bad thing. 😉 ---
**Author:** ![kambuckta](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/53a042/32.png) [@kambuckta](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kambuckta)\ **Post date:** [September 22, 2005, 11:31am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/comments-on-atmb-remarks-from-tuba/322863/3 "2005-09-22T11:31:25Z")
G’day **Lib** …good to see you back in fine form. 😛 ---
**Author:** ![Banquet\_Bear](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/banquet_bear/32/373_2.png) [@Banquet\_Bear](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Banquet_Bear)\ **Post date:** [September 22, 2005, 11:32am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/comments-on-atmb-remarks-from-tuba/322863/4 "2005-09-22T11:32:16Z")
> [@Harborwolf](#): > > Not to hijack the thread or anything, but welcome back Liberal. Board hasn’t been the same without ya, though I’m not sure if that’s a good thing or a bad thing. 😉 :: echoes the welcome back!!! 🙂 :: ---
**Author:** ![Muffin](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/muffin/32/4341_2.png) [@Muffin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Muffin)\ **Post date:** [September 22, 2005, 11:37am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/comments-on-atmb-remarks-from-tuba/322863/5 "2005-09-22T11:37:23Z")
Glad you’re alive. Now fuck off. ---
**Author:** ![don\_t\_ask](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e68b1a/32.png) [@don\_t\_ask](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/don_t_ask)\ **Post date:** [September 22, 2005, 11:38am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/comments-on-atmb-remarks-from-tuba/322863/6 "2005-09-22T11:38:25Z")
Welcome back, you are like the sunrise - a new day but the same old shit. ---
**Author:** ![Excalibre](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/898d66/32.png) [@Excalibre](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Excalibre)\ **Post date:** [September 22, 2005, 11:41am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/comments-on-atmb-remarks-from-tuba/322863/7 "2005-09-22T11:41:08Z")
> [@Liberal](#): > > Reference: > > [http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?p=6498572#post6498572](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?p=6498572#post6498572) > > I said nothing like what you quoted. Not that it would make one shred of difference, but from [here](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=2171051&postcount=9): > > “Falsely attributing a quote to another user, or modifying another’s post in order to cast him/her in a bad light, even if meant in jest, is grounds for revocation of your posting privileges.” > > — Arnold Winkelried, Administrator I’m not sure **Liberal** will even read this, but for the record, **TubaDiva** made no implication that **Liberal** had literally said, “I’m fixing to die, so be nice to me.” That was merely an interpretation of his remarks. Spurious allegations of rule-breaking are not fair or conducive to good discussion, whether coming from **Liberal** ’s detractors (as **tomndebb** describes) or from the man himself. The rest of it, I haven’t followed the current drama, so I have no idea whether any of it makes sense or not. ---
**Author:** ![kambuckta](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/53a042/32.png) [@kambuckta](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kambuckta)\ **Post date:** [September 22, 2005, 11:46am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/comments-on-atmb-remarks-from-tuba/322863/8 "2005-09-22T11:46:24Z")
> [@Muffin](#): > > Glad you’re alive. Now fuck off. ROTFAPMPL. (Rolling on the floor and pissing my pants larrfing, just in case you were wondering) 😃 Lib…I think the time now is for a gentle re-entry to the atmosphere, not a major fucking blusterous kaboom. Just sayin’. Good luck and all but. 😛 ---
**Author:** ![Hentor\_the\_Barbarian](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/8edcca/32.png) [@Hentor\_the\_Barbarian](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hentor_the_Barbarian)\ **Post date:** [September 22, 2005, 11:48am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/comments-on-atmb-remarks-from-tuba/322863/9 "2005-09-22T11:48:11Z")
It’s nice to see that you’ve taken this time away from the boards for a bit of reflection and self-examination. ---
**Author:** ![yojimbo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/yojimbo/32/232_2.png) [@yojimbo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/yojimbo)\ **Post date:** [September 22, 2005, 11:51am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/comments-on-atmb-remarks-from-tuba/322863/10 "2005-09-22T11:51:07Z")
Weclome back you mad bastard 🙂 Please try not to get yourself banned. I like your trainwrecks. ---
**Author:** ![Mr.Blue\_Sky](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/d26b3c/32.png) [@Mr.Blue\_Sky](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mr.Blue_Sky)\ **Post date:** [September 22, 2005, 12:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/comments-on-atmb-remarks-from-tuba/322863/11 "2005-09-22T12:02:13Z")
Did you bring pie? ---
**Author:** ![Jackmannii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jackmannii/32/311_2.png) [@Jackmannii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jackmannii)\ **Post date:** [September 22, 2005, 12:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/comments-on-atmb-remarks-from-tuba/322863/12 "2005-09-22T12:09:12Z")
> [@Liberal](#): > > I said nothing like what you quoted. Not that it would make one shred of difference, but from [here](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=2171051&postcount=9): > > “Falsely attributing a quote to another user, or modifying another’s post in order to cast him/her in a bad light, even if meant in jest, is grounds for revocation of your posting privileges.” > > — Arnold Winkelried, Administrator That was not intended as a false quote, nor would anyone take it as such. > [@](#): > > During my hiatus, some wonderful things happened. I got a lot of work done. I began corresponding with Dopers in calm and meaningful debates over focused issues. I got a lot of work done. And I engineered for my wife the surprise of her life, by bringing all the kids and grandchildren to our house from all over the country for her birthday. In other words, “I got my revenge for being suspended by actually DOING something with my life, not wasting my time with mere posting like the REST of you.” And that’s not intended as an actual quote either. > [@](#): > > Diva, certainly. Self-awareness is priceless. ---
**Author:** ![Fear\_Itself](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fear_itself/32/19637_2.png) [@Fear\_Itself](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fear_Itself)\ **Post date:** [September 22, 2005, 12:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/comments-on-atmb-remarks-from-tuba/322863/13 "2005-09-22T12:23:36Z")
O frabjous day! Callooh! Callay! Our beamish boy has come galumphing back! All manxome foes beware, the Vorpal Sword flashes in the dark once more! I’m all mimsy with anticipation! ---
**Author:** ![Kimstu](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/ecd19e/32.png) [@Kimstu](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kimstu)\ **Post date:** [September 22, 2005, 12:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/comments-on-atmb-remarks-from-tuba/322863/14 "2005-09-22T12:41:56Z")
Just another useless hijacker chipping in with a “Hi, **Lib**!” Nice to see you back and in fine fettle. 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![C\_K\_Dexter\_Haven](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/b2d939/32.png) [@C\_K\_Dexter\_Haven](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/C_K_Dexter_Haven)\ **Post date:** [September 22, 2005, 12:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/comments-on-atmb-remarks-from-tuba/322863/15 "2005-09-22T12:44:16Z")
> [@Registration Agreement](#): > > We reserve the right to revoke the posting privileges of persons **misrepresenting themselves** on the SDMB. (Bolding mine.) > [@Registration Agreement](#): > > The board is not intended to furnish you with a forum for promoting your personal agenda. > [@Registration Agreement](#): > > If you do not understand a violation you have been warned about, please e-mail a moderator or administrator for an explanation. ---
**Author:** ![UncleBeer](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/u/977dab/32.png) [@UncleBeer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/UncleBeer)\ **Post date:** [September 22, 2005, 12:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/comments-on-atmb-remarks-from-tuba/322863/16 "2005-09-22T12:49:52Z")
I’m gonna predict this thread will go down in SDMB lore as one of the most unproductive ever. Welcome back, Lib. A rather ignominious return, if I may say so. But welcome back nonetheless. ---
**Author:** ![Merijeek](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/f05b48/32.png) [@Merijeek](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Merijeek)\ **Post date:** [September 22, 2005, 12:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/comments-on-atmb-remarks-from-tuba/322863/17 "2005-09-22T12:59:10Z")
Just imagine what a dauntless soul one must be to come back to a place where every hand is turned against you! Or perhaps you’re just a whining bitch. Oh, yes, definitely that. Have fun until your banning. -Joe ---
**Author:** ![fluiddruid](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/c2a13f/32.png) [@fluiddruid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/fluiddruid)\ **Post date:** [September 22, 2005, 1:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/comments-on-atmb-remarks-from-tuba/322863/18 "2005-09-22T13:12:21Z")
> [@Liberal](#): > > I honestly have no idea why you suspended me. > [@](#): > > I’ll make the same point now that I made before the suspension — I have no intention of changing anything… I offer no apology. I have no regrets. The only way I can mollify you and a couple of others is to change who I am and how I view the world. > [@](#): > > In fact, I won’t be back in this thread, or even back in the Pit at all, which is where most of the board’s cruelty — including that coming from me — takes place. Ah. I see. Post in a public forum with your beef, cause a stir, don’t respond to your detractors, don’t even return to find out any response or explanation despite saying you don’t know why you were suspended (supposedly). Back to your old tricks – fingers in your ears, humming loudly, eyes shut, typing away with the same old story. This board is not your playground alone, **Liberal**. As far as I’m concerned, this last month has been a pleasure. ---
**Author:** ![Cliffy](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/59ef9b/32.png) [@Cliffy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cliffy)\ **Post date:** [September 22, 2005, 1:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/comments-on-atmb-remarks-from-tuba/322863/19 "2005-09-22T13:22:15Z")
> [@UncleBeer](#): > > I’m gonna predict this thread will go down in SDMB lore as one of the most unproductive ever. Perhaps. But it seemed to me that in the suspension thread, **Tuba** flouted the “No kicking a guy when he can’t respond” rule. I frequently feel that she fails to maintain even the appearance of objectivity and fairness that we (I think reasonably) expect from this board, given its history and aims, and that which we (quite properly) demand now that we are paying for the service. –Cliffy ---
**Author:** ![hajario](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/hajario/32/171_2.png) [@hajario](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/hajario)\ **Post date:** [September 22, 2005, 1:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/comments-on-atmb-remarks-from-tuba/322863/20 "2005-09-22T13:37:34Z")
This is a nice change from the last few times where you apologized and promised to change but kept up with the same old shit. [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/comments-on-atmb-remarks-from-tuba/322863.md?page=2)