# Comments on ATMB remarks from Tuba **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [September 22, 2005, 11:19am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/comments-on-atmb-remarks-from-tuba/322863 "2005-09-22T11:19:13Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 10
**Author:** ![Epimetheus](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/c4cdca/32.png) [@Epimetheus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Epimetheus)\ **Post date:** [September 23, 2005, 4:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/comments-on-atmb-remarks-from-tuba/322863/181 "2005-09-23T16:20:36Z")
> [@InkBlot](#): > > And the problem I see is that this is a one-sided viewpoint. You can’t seriously point at him and claim, “he started it” for everything, can you? He’s started arguments, yes, and had arguments started with him. Pretty much… Yeah. I would guesstimate that 75% or greater of the times It was Liberal’s fault. He **conciously** derails threads and turns them about him. He gives “insult-pliments” (that way of complimenting one person while simultaniously putting down the rest of the people in the thread). He cries and whines and plays martyr and victim, all the while thumbing his nose at people because he is sneaky enough to do it under the radar. And he mostly does it under the radar so he can by the martyr when people call him on it. Thats if nitpicking and overanalasying everything in the argument or just plain out-talk everybody until they get tired of arguing over minutae. He does this thousands of times, in threads ranging from IMHO to the Pit. Oh, he loves the pit, because he likes to insult people, then get gets all pissy when he gets inulted back. > [@](#): > > And there’s no onus regarding him at all. The one onus on this board is, “don’t be a jerk.” It’s been said, over and over, if he’s that unpleasant to interact with, then don’t. Report him to a mod, if you need to. But meeting like with like has only escalated this fued to…well, to this thread. Page after page of vitriol directed at a person who’s only posted once in this topic. A warning has already been issued to one poster. It’s out of hand. Every thread doesn’t exist in a vaccum, so it isn’t one post, it is his 20+ thousand posts. The onus of the board is “Don’t be a jerk?” does that include baiting others, derailing innocent threads, and being a sadistic drama queen with martyr complexes? Sounds like perfectly jerkish behavior to me. Personally the whole Jerk thing leaves much to be desired, as anybody can be percieved as a jerk, and sorry to say, half the population of this board is full of grade A pricks (yes, probably myself included). > [@](#): > > Let him go. That would be my take on it. Preferably somewhere else. ---
**Author:** ![Skywatcher](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/skywatcher/32/254_2.png) [@Skywatcher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Skywatcher)\ **Post date:** [September 23, 2005, 4:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/comments-on-atmb-remarks-from-tuba/322863/182 "2005-09-23T16:21:55Z")
> [@dropzone](#): > > Oh, aren’t WE the little tattletale? Huh? If I wanted to be a tattletale, I would have clicked on the little “!” above your post. > [@](#): > > _Did it not occur to you that was what **Veb** was responding to? Moron._ Did it not occur to you, Mr. Pot, that **Metacom** might have missed that point? ---
**Author:** ![Epimetheus](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/c4cdca/32.png) [@Epimetheus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Epimetheus)\ **Post date:** [September 23, 2005, 4:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/comments-on-atmb-remarks-from-tuba/322863/183 "2005-09-23T16:23:47Z")
> [@Epimetheus](#): > > Personally the whole Jerk thing leaves much to be desired, as anybody can be percieved as a jerk, and sorry to say, half the population of this board is full of grade A pricks (yes, probably myself included). I should clarify- I mean that half the population can regularly **be** grade A pricks. Not that they are all the time. People I see being assholish in one thread are a veritable saint in another. People just have different buttons. ---
**Author:** ![dropzone](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dropzone/32/7515_2.png) [@dropzone](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/dropzone)\ **Post date:** [September 23, 2005, 4:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/comments-on-atmb-remarks-from-tuba/322863/184 "2005-09-23T16:25:22Z")
Of course not. Is **Metacom** the center of the universe? No, that would be me. ---
**Author:** ![Bryan\_Ekers](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bryan_ekers/32/183_2.png) [@Bryan\_Ekers](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bryan_Ekers)\ **Post date:** [September 23, 2005, 4:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/comments-on-atmb-remarks-from-tuba/322863/185 "2005-09-23T16:25:37Z")
The real irony, of course, is that he’s not a _true_ libertarian. ---
**Author:** ![Frank](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/3d9bf3/32.png) [@Frank](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Frank)\ **Post date:** [September 23, 2005, 4:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/comments-on-atmb-remarks-from-tuba/322863/186 "2005-09-23T16:32:22Z")
> [@Bryan Ekers](#): > > The real irony, of course, is that he’s not a _true_ libertarian. He doesn’t wear a kilt? ---
**Author:** ![Skywatcher](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/skywatcher/32/254_2.png) [@Skywatcher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Skywatcher)\ **Post date:** [September 23, 2005, 4:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/comments-on-atmb-remarks-from-tuba/322863/187 "2005-09-23T16:34:09Z")
> [@Guinastasia](#): > > And you know what? We’ve politely asked **Lib** to stop hijacking threads, and he continues to do so. So just for the sake of playing Devil’s Advocate, why should we respect his wishes, when he never respects our’s? I don’t see it being a simple matter of respecting his wishes but rather keeping Dopers from dredging up the old argument of why he chose to change his name and allegations of trolling related to said argument. All allegations of trolling are supposed to be kept off-board. ---
**Author:** ![Mr.Blue\_Sky](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/d26b3c/32.png) [@Mr.Blue\_Sky](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mr.Blue_Sky)\ **Post date:** [September 23, 2005, 4:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/comments-on-atmb-remarks-from-tuba/322863/188 "2005-09-23T16:36:50Z")
> [@fessie](#): > > Hmmm, what if you ask **don’t ask**? What happens then? You’ll go back in time. Kinda like trying to Xerox a mirror or putting instant coffee in a microwave. ---
**Author:** ![picker](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/picker/32/13969_2.png) [@picker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/picker)\ **Post date:** [September 23, 2005, 4:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/comments-on-atmb-remarks-from-tuba/322863/189 "2005-09-23T16:59:22Z")
_She should have died hereafter; There would have been a time for such a word. To-morrow, and to-morrow, and to-morrow, Creeps in this petty pace from day to day To the last syllable of recorded time, And all our yesterdays have lighted fools The way to dusty death. Out, out, brief candle! Life’s but a walking shadow, a poor player That struts and frets his hour upon the stage And then is heard no more: it is a tale Told by an idiot, full of sound and fury, Signifying nothing._ ---
**Author:** ![Guinastasia](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/guinastasia/32/5751_2.png) [@Guinastasia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Guinastasia)\ **Post date:** [September 23, 2005, 5:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/comments-on-atmb-remarks-from-tuba/322863/190 "2005-09-23T17:04:17Z")
> [@Lute Skywatcher](#): > > I don’t see it being a simple matter of respecting his wishes but rather keeping Dopers from dredging up the old argument of why he chose to change his name and allegations of trolling related to said argument. All allegations of trolling are supposed to be kept off-board. I know, and I agree with you there. But it just irks me that **Liberal** can dish it out, but he can’t take it when it comes back at him. ---
**Author:** ![Skywatcher](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/skywatcher/32/254_2.png) [@Skywatcher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Skywatcher)\ **Post date:** [September 23, 2005, 5:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/comments-on-atmb-remarks-from-tuba/322863/191 "2005-09-23T17:08:32Z")
I’d suggest finding some other way to annoy him but annoying people for the fun of it probably falls under trolling. It’s probably just best to just wait for him to run out of rope. ---
**Author:** ![Skywatcher](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/skywatcher/32/254_2.png) [@Skywatcher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Skywatcher)\ **Post date:** [September 23, 2005, 5:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/comments-on-atmb-remarks-from-tuba/322863/192 "2005-09-23T17:09:44Z")
Hmm…I think I need a thesaurus. 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![tomndebb](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/b9e5f3/32.png) [@tomndebb](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/tomndebb)\ **Post date:** [September 23, 2005, 5:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/comments-on-atmb-remarks-from-tuba/322863/193 "2005-09-23T17:17:40Z")
> [@This Year's Model](#): > > > [@Bryan Ekers](#): > > > > The real irony, of course, is that he’s not a true libertarian. > > He doesn’t wear a kilt? Kilt? Don’t you know your fallacies? The issue of a true libertarian revolves about the preparation of oatmeal, not the wearing of kilts. ---
**Author:** ![John\_Mace](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/john_mace/32/185_2.png) [@John\_Mace](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/John_Mace)\ **Post date:** [September 23, 2005, 5:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/comments-on-atmb-remarks-from-tuba/322863/194 "2005-09-23T17:24:07Z")
> [@tomndebb](#): > > Kilt? Don’t you know your fallacies? The issue of a true libertarian revolves about the preparation of oatmeal, not the wearing of kilts. No, it’s the fallacy of the excluded middle. Whenever I wear a kilt it excludes my middle, which tends to hang out over it. Hmmm… \*\*Lib \*\*is back. Trainwreck at 11. BFD. ---
**Author:** ![Larry\_Borgia](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/larry_borgia/32/156_2.png) [@Larry\_Borgia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Larry_Borgia)\ **Post date:** [September 23, 2005, 5:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/comments-on-atmb-remarks-from-tuba/322863/195 "2005-09-23T17:55:44Z")
If people didn’t respond to **Liberal’s** brief off-hand observations with lengthy multi-paragraph denunciations, he wouldn’t be able to hijack any thread. Case in point: **Lib** doesn’t like the daily show, and feels Jon Stewart is a disingenious leftist. That’s his opinion, and he’s welcome to it. If he posts said opinion, it is not necessary for fifteen posters to jump on him with detailed counterarguments to a one sentence observation. All people have to do is read his post, smile, shake their heads, and say “that’s our Liberal.” I’m with **jrfranchi**. His power is baffling. He’s not pointing a weapon at you, he’s not threatening you, he has no power over you at all other than the power you give him. If he says something that pisses you off, just let it go and return to your regularly scheduled thread. Sometimes I get the feeling that people enjoy being pissed at **Liberal** , that it gives them some meaning in their lives. I don’t get this. ---
**Author:** ![Lord\_Ashtar](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/7ea924/32.png) [@Lord\_Ashtar](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lord_Ashtar)\ **Post date:** [September 23, 2005, 6:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/comments-on-atmb-remarks-from-tuba/322863/196 "2005-09-23T18:00:50Z")
> [@Larry Borgia](#): > > I’m with **jrfranchi**. His power is baffling. He’s not pointing a weapon at you, he’s not threatening you, he has no power over you at all other than the power you give him. If he says something that pisses you off, just let it go and return to your regularly scheduled thread. “But…he hijacks threads, like, all the time! We can’t let that go unchallenged! That would be against the whole fighting ignorance thing this board has going!” :rolleyes: There are a few posters on this board who piss me off whenever I read what they have to post. You know what I do? I don’t read them. If I can do this, I don’t understand why everyone else can’t do this with **Liberal** if he’s just that big a pain in the ass. ---
**Author:** ![Ponder\_Stibbons](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ponder_stibbons/32/343_2.png) [@Ponder\_Stibbons](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ponder_Stibbons)\ **Post date:** [September 23, 2005, 6:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/comments-on-atmb-remarks-from-tuba/322863/197 "2005-09-23T18:32:24Z")
> [@This Year's Model](#): > > He doesn’t wear a kilt? To the best of my knowledge, he hasn’t kilt anybody. ---
**Author:** ![Biggirl](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/biggirl/32/3294_2.png) [@Biggirl](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Biggirl)\ **Post date:** [September 23, 2005, 6:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/comments-on-atmb-remarks-from-tuba/322863/198 "2005-09-23T18:45:40Z")
> [@Larry Borgia](#): > > If people didn’t respond to **Liberal’s** brief off-hand observations with lengthy multi-paragraph denunciations, he wouldn’t be able to hijack any thread. > > Case in point: **Lib** doesn’t like the daily show, and feels Jon Stewart is a disingenious leftist. That’s his opinion, and he’s welcome to it. If he posts said opinion, it is not necessary for fifteen posters to jump on him with detailed counterarguments to a one sentence observation. All people have to do is read his post, smile, shake their heads, and say “that’s our Liberal.” > > I’m with **jrfranchi**. His power is baffling. He’s not pointing a weapon at you, he’s not threatening you, he has no power over you at all other than the power you give him. If he says something that pisses you off, just let it go and return to your regularly scheduled thread. > > Sometimes I get the feeling that people enjoy being pissed at **Liberal** , that it gives them some meaning in their lives. I don’t get this. Well now, if you look at the Pit thread that I started, it was not about Lib at all. In fact, I said that Lib is going to do what he’s going to do and, no matter how annoying I find it personally and there’s nothing I or anyone else can do to stop it. What I was bitching about was the way the administration of this board bent to his whiny will and moved the stupid thread. And now it seems he has the power to get people banned just by calling him by his own old name. That’s some kind of powerful, don’t you think? Since I was named specifically in this stupid rant about how he’s not paranoid and I really am out to get him, I think I have a right to respond-- flippantly and sarcastically if I feel like it. ---
**Author:** ![What\_Exit](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/what_exit/32/10652_2.png) [@What\_Exit](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/What_Exit)\ **Post date:** [September 23, 2005, 7:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/comments-on-atmb-remarks-from-tuba/322863/199 "2005-09-23T19:11:15Z")
> [@Biggirl](#): > > …snip… > Since I was named specifically in this stupid rant about how he’s not paranoid and I really am out to get him, I think I have a right to respond-- flippantly and sarcastically if I feel like it. I would agree, \*\*Lib \*\* did give you the right to respond as he specifically mentioned you by name twice. Also it is the pit, so enjoy. Myself I hope I am now wise to ways of **Lib** and will either ignore his specific post or comment on them or even support them without contributing to the extreme Hijacks I have seen developed. I am too new to this board to have much history with **Lib** one way or the other, but I have already had my own thread hijacked and destroyed, reached an understanding with him, ignored his posts in other threads and sided with him in a few. The derailments he instigates do take a lot of help to happen. This is mostly meant with humor, but, maybe a sticky should be put up “Beware of Liberal’s postings that will cause enough outrage to cause you to hijack a thread”. That wouldn’t really work, so maybe learning to live with **Lib** is part of the hazing for joining the board. I am sure many might take offence to this post, but hopefully it will be received as an observation and not a confrontation. ---
**Author:** ![Biggirl](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/biggirl/32/3294_2.png) [@Biggirl](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Biggirl)\ **Post date:** [September 23, 2005, 7:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/comments-on-atmb-remarks-from-tuba/322863/200 "2005-09-23T19:12:12Z")
Also, a few words of real, heartfelt advice for Lib: Don’t read the anon forums. No good can come of it. Really. They are NOT for anyone with even a hit of a persecution complex and judging by this OP, you’ve got one in spades, Lib. If you don’t read them, they can’t hurt you. Seriously. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/comments-on-atmb-remarks-from-tuba/322863.md?page=9) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/comments-on-atmb-remarks-from-tuba/322863.md?page=11)