# Comments on ATMB remarks from Tuba **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [September 22, 2005, 11:19am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/comments-on-atmb-remarks-from-tuba/322863 "2005-09-22T11:19:13Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 9
**Author:** ![Daisy\_Mae](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/46a35a/32.png) [@Daisy\_Mae](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Daisy_Mae)\ **Post date:** [September 23, 2005, 6:46am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/comments-on-atmb-remarks-from-tuba/322863/161 "2005-09-23T06:46:06Z")
> [@TVeblen](#): > > Swell grasp of board essentials, Einstein. > > We don’t grill posters about their reason for changing screen names. Actually, we don’t even _ask_ why, much less care. Apparently you do, since you’re all-fired certain about intentions. Changing a screen name doesn’t imply the slightest obligation to “start with a clean slate”, or anything else for that matter. > > Then you compound your inanity by an accusation of trollery–based on your superior personal insight about (gasp!) name changes–and threaten to flame mods any time you can’t grasp a rule with a mind-numbingly obvious reason behind it. > > You’re acting like a jerk, **dropzone**. This _is_ a warning. Continue in this course and you face banning. > > Veb Try some Midol, it might help. You think HE is acting like a jerk? So are you. Where’s your warning? Or do you get to be nasty to him and you’re doing your job and if he responds in kind he’s a jerk? He may not be making his point in a calm and rational manner but this IS the Pit. The difference is YOU get to call him a jerk and issue a warning and act like an asshole while you’re doing it. Man, it’s great to be a paying customer here! ---
**Author:** ![Seven](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/3d9bf3/32.png) [@Seven](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Seven)\ **Post date:** [September 23, 2005, 6:47am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/comments-on-atmb-remarks-from-tuba/322863/162 "2005-09-23T06:47:55Z")
> [@cricetus](#): > > So you can call someone a **goat-felching motherfucker** , but you can’t call them by their maiden name? Yeah, that makes sense. Hey pal! That was **my** original screen name! Moderator! Moderator! _waves arms and runs around the room_ ---
**Author:** ![Coldfire](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/a587f6/32.png) [@Coldfire](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Coldfire)\ **Post date:** [September 23, 2005, 8:52am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/comments-on-atmb-remarks-from-tuba/322863/163 "2005-09-23T08:52:15Z")
> [@gum](#): > > [btw: I got some things saved too, if you need it] I’m starting to get curious, now. What the hell sort of secret information do you guys have? Threads on the SDMB bashing Liberal during his absence that were deleted by the mods? What? I don’t get all these vague remarks. And welcome back, Liberal. Like yojimbo, I’m a big fan of your train wrecks. 😃 ---
**Author:** ![Contrapuntal](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/e274bd/32.png) [@Contrapuntal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Contrapuntal)\ **Post date:** [September 23, 2005, 9:44am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/comments-on-atmb-remarks-from-tuba/322863/164 "2005-09-23T09:44:50Z")
> [@TVeblen](#): > > The _only_ circumstance that causes problems is when former screennames are used. The problem is causes for other posters, especially newer folks who aren’t savvy to name changes throughout the board’s history and probably don’t care. You guys might want to get together on this. At least if _only_ means what I think it does. [cite](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=6541248&postcount=65) ---
**Author:** ![Merijeek](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/f05b48/32.png) [@Merijeek](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Merijeek)\ **Post date:** [September 23, 2005, 12:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/comments-on-atmb-remarks-from-tuba/322863/165 "2005-09-23T12:28:05Z")
> [@tomndebb](#): > > Actually, I am not sure that the precedent was set for **Liberal**. I was under the impression that there had been more than one occasion when a poster had requested a username change and, in subsequent threads, was taunted by references to his or her original name. Actually, I was referring to allowing someone to change their screen name simply for the sake of pushing people’s buttons. All it takes is a feeble explanation and it’s completely kosher. -Joe ---
**Author:** ![dropzone](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dropzone/32/7515_2.png) [@dropzone](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/dropzone)\ **Post date:** [September 23, 2005, 1:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/comments-on-atmb-remarks-from-tuba/322863/166 "2005-09-23T13:01:51Z")
> [@tomndebb](#): > > I’m not sure why you are so worked up over the _reason_ behind this request for a change. Clearly, it _was_ to make a point, but I just don’t see the need to get worked up over it. YMObviouslyV Ah, but the reason for the change is what’s important! Tom, you’re a good Catholic boy and, as such, you know that the motivation behind the sin is more important than the sin itself. Lib’s motivation for the change was, as **Merijeek** said, “simply for the sake of pushing people’s buttons.” We have a name for that here but I risk banning by merely hinting at it, just as I risk banning for _ **threatening** to Pit a mod_. In the Pit! Where mods are Pitted weekly! > [@Wring](#): > > **Silo** Let’s not start talking dirty! 😉 ---
**Author:** ![InkBlot](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/b5e925/32.png) [@InkBlot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/InkBlot)\ **Post date:** [September 23, 2005, 1:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/comments-on-atmb-remarks-from-tuba/322863/167 "2005-09-23T13:26:04Z")
> [@Excalibre](#): > > If people feel that way, it’s because of **Liberal** ’s behavior. Do you think that the posters in question just drew his name out of a hat and decided to hate him _en masse_ because of it? I’ve never been unclear on the animosity towards **Liberal**. I even agree, he’s often confusing, pedantic, and tends to overreact to perceived slights. I wouldn’t want to get on his bad side. > [@](#): > > If **Liberal** is indeed so explosive that he can’t handle the response to his own unpleasantness, I’d say that’s his problem. Sounds like he has BO or something. Sorry…pointless aside. > [@](#): > > For awhile one of his games was to make spurious allegations that I was violating board rules - was that okay? Should I smile and say, “ **Liberal** , you make this place more interesting,” and offer up a nice big ass-kissing, when he’s got a history of attacking me? I will say here, I honestly hadn’t noticed this behavior before. And I have picked up on this thing with others. **Lib** has had his stalkers before, so have many of the more vocal names here. The reason I spoke up is this: despite his flaws, **Liberal** has always struck me as someone who keeps things on track (if not always on topic). You mention spurious allegations, and I can believe there were allegations…but not that they were spurious. At least, not to **Lib**. Like the opening post here, he states he was deliberatly misquoted by **TubaDiva**. I disagree. I wouldn’t go further than “misrepresented”, a big difference in board rules. “Deliberate” is a matter for debate, which I feel a thread like this would have been good for. Anyway, I’m trying to say I don’t think **Lib** just starts stuff “because.” Your history may vary. > [@](#): > > The problem for **Liberal** is that he’s got a history of attacking half the people on the board - and most of them are no more inclined than I am to let it go. If **Liberal** is incredibly unpleasant to interact with, I don’t see why the onus is on everyone else to walk on eggshells around him. He reaps what he sows, and **Liberal** has a bad habit of sowing dogshit. And the problem I see is that this is a one-sided viewpoint. You can’t seriously point at him and claim, “he started it” for everything, can you? He’s started arguments, yes, and had arguments started with him. And there’s no onus regarding him at all. The one onus on this board is, “don’t be a jerk.” It’s been said, over and over, if he’s that unpleasant to interact with, then don’t. Report him to a mod, if you need to. But meeting like with like has only escalated this fued to…well, to this thread. Page after page of vitriol directed at a person who’s only posted once in this topic. A warning has already been issued to one poster. It’s out of hand. To anyone who still cares: I don’t think he needs to be handled with kid gloves, or given any special treatment. I just think he needs to not be baited. Let him go. If something he says relates to you or one of your beliefs, then answer it. Or not. Ignore him if you think his opinions really aren’t worth it, or are just that ludicrous. All this incessant snarking is doing is just showing how much baggage many of you are willing to lug around _all the damn time_. Anyway, that’s my piece. **Excalibre** , I appreciate your response. InkBlot :eek: ---
**Author:** ![EddyTeddyFreddy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/eddyteddyfreddy/32/18796_2.png) [@EddyTeddyFreddy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/EddyTeddyFreddy)\ **Post date:** [September 23, 2005, 1:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/comments-on-atmb-remarks-from-tuba/322863/168 "2005-09-23T13:31:32Z")
> [@Coldfire](#): > > I’m starting to get curious, now. > > What the hell sort of secret information do you guys have? Threads on the SDMB bashing Liberal during his absence that were deleted by the mods? What? > > I don’t get all these vague remarks. > > And welcome back, Liberal. Like yojimbo, I’m a big fan of your train wrecks. 😃 My guess is, **Lib’s** and **gum’s** elliptical references are to a thread started by the latter which quoted huge swaths of comments about the former on one of the anonymous snark boards. The thread got disappeared before more than a handful of people saw it. Since one of the anon amusements is to bloviate about ways to get disliked Dopers banned, I daresay **Lib** read such comments and perceived yet another conspiracy to bring him down. ---
**Author:** ![Shodan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/9f8e36/32.png) [@Shodan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Shodan)\ **Post date:** [September 23, 2005, 1:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/comments-on-atmb-remarks-from-tuba/322863/169 "2005-09-23T13:41:15Z")
> [@dropzone](#): > > Lib chose a different route. Sure, maybe he asked nicelike but his intentions were patently obviously to misinform. To confuse. To lie. Oh, you big fat liar. I bet you aren’t really a dropzone at all. Regards, Shodan ---
**Author:** ![don\_t\_ask](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e68b1a/32.png) [@don\_t\_ask](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/don_t_ask)\ **Post date:** [September 23, 2005, 1:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/comments-on-atmb-remarks-from-tuba/322863/170 "2005-09-23T13:51:32Z")
So is it permissible to start like this: Libertarian **Liberal** said blah blah blah or would _libertarian_ then be construed as offensive ---
**Author:** ![Guinastasia](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/guinastasia/32/5751_2.png) [@Guinastasia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Guinastasia)\ **Post date:** [September 23, 2005, 2:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/comments-on-atmb-remarks-from-tuba/322863/171 "2005-09-23T14:11:08Z")
> [@Lute Skywatcher](#): > > Just so you know, **dropzone** was also venturing into territory that **tom** [mentioned earlier](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=6609764&postcount=69). And you know what? We’ve politely asked **Lib** to stop hijacking threads, and he continues to do so. So just for the sake of playing Devil’s Advocate, why should we respect his wishes, when he never respects our’s? ---
**Author:** ![dropzone](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dropzone/32/7515_2.png) [@dropzone](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/dropzone)\ **Post date:** [September 23, 2005, 2:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/comments-on-atmb-remarks-from-tuba/322863/172 "2005-09-23T14:13:57Z")
> [@don't ask](#): > > …or would _libertarian_ then be construed as offensive I am not a mod, and if I keep it up I won’t even be a member ;), but my guess is that you would be fine. The problem is with calling him by the name **libertarian** , not referring to his political philosophy. > [@Shodan](#): > > Oh, you big fat liar. Wait–I’m fat? (looking down) Oh my God, I **am** fat! Why didn’t anybody tell me that before? 😃 ---
**Author:** ![Scott\_Plaid](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/258eb7/32.png) [@Scott\_Plaid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Scott_Plaid)\ **Post date:** [September 23, 2005, 2:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/comments-on-atmb-remarks-from-tuba/322863/173 "2005-09-23T14:17:20Z")
> [@dropzone](#): > > Wait–I’m fat? (looking down) Oh my God, I **am** fat! Why didn’t anybody tell me that before? 😃 No, you see, Shodan was talking to **Liberal** , a Libertarian poster (Hi, **don’t ask**!) when he said that. 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![What\_Exit](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/what_exit/32/10652_2.png) [@What\_Exit](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/What_Exit)\ **Post date:** [September 23, 2005, 2:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/comments-on-atmb-remarks-from-tuba/322863/174 "2005-09-23T14:27:51Z")
Wow, this is some really good and funny stuff. \*\*LIB \*\* been back a whole day and set off a huge post that has people being threatened with \*\*Bannings \*\* and **Warnings**. Multiple Mods and Admin. sucked in already. He really does have a frightning power. How does he do this? Really funny stuff. Just a pointless observation. ---
**Author:** ![What\_Exit](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/what_exit/32/10652_2.png) [@What\_Exit](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/What_Exit)\ **Post date:** [September 23, 2005, 2:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/comments-on-atmb-remarks-from-tuba/322863/175 "2005-09-23T14:30:22Z")
Oh, I forgot. Welcome back **Lib** Can’t we all just get along ---
**Author:** ![lno](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/a8b319/32.png) [@lno](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/lno)\ **Post date:** [September 23, 2005, 2:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/comments-on-atmb-remarks-from-tuba/322863/176 "2005-09-23T14:53:34Z")
At times like this I wonder what the first posts of returning users such as **Wildest Bill** , **Aldebaran** , or **His4Ever** would be. ---
**Author:** ![fessie](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/c37758/32.png) [@fessie](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/fessie)\ **Post date:** [September 23, 2005, 3:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/comments-on-atmb-remarks-from-tuba/322863/177 "2005-09-23T15:56:44Z")
> [@Scott Plaid](#): > > No, you see, Shodan was talking to **Liberal** , a Libertarian poster (Hi, **don’t ask**!) when he said that. 🙂 Hmmm, what if you ask **don’t ask**? What happens then? ---
**Author:** ![Biggirl](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/biggirl/32/3294_2.png) [@Biggirl](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Biggirl)\ **Post date:** [September 23, 2005, 4:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/comments-on-atmb-remarks-from-tuba/322863/178 "2005-09-23T16:01:31Z")
I really, really miss Wildest Bill. _::goes off to find the bestest and most wrongest thread title ever::_ ---
**Author:** ![Siege](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/dbc845/32.png) [@Siege](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Siege)\ **Post date:** [September 23, 2005, 4:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/comments-on-atmb-remarks-from-tuba/322863/179 "2005-09-23T16:06:19Z")
Actually, the mention of **His4Ever** brings up an interesting point. She also asked to have her name changed, in her case to **Lynn73** , as part of a way of making a new start, yet no one refers to her by her new name and, if someone did, I’m not sure how many people would realize who the poster was talking about. Granted she stopped posting within a year of changing her name and this did happen some time ago, but I don’t recall anyone being admonished for calling her **His4Ever** instead of **Lynn73**. CJ ---
**Author:** ![Uvula\_Donor](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/u/e19adc/32.png) [@Uvula\_Donor](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Uvula_Donor)\ **Post date:** [September 23, 2005, 4:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/comments-on-atmb-remarks-from-tuba/322863/180 "2005-09-23T16:15:54Z")
> [@jrfranchi](#): > > He really does have a frightning power. How does he do this? He has strong asshole-fu. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/comments-on-atmb-remarks-from-tuba/322863.md?page=8) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/comments-on-atmb-remarks-from-tuba/322863.md?page=10)