# Commit Cultural Heresy: No Cow Too Sacred. **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [March 31, 2008, 9:36am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/commit-cultural-heresy-no-cow-too-sacred/443359 "2008-03-31T09:36:18Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 14
**Author:** ![Amber\_in\_Treasury](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/bc79bd/32.png) [@Amber\_in\_Treasury](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Amber_in_Treasury)\ **Post date:** [April 3, 2008, 3:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/commit-cultural-heresy-no-cow-too-sacred/443359/261 "2008-04-03T15:11:56Z")
Back on topic: Woody Allen SUCKS. That neurotic schtick isn’t cute or funny, and he’s a fugly old creep. And the whole Woody worship is really getting on my tits. ---
**Author:** ![ArrMatey](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/arrmatey/32/3522_2.png) [@ArrMatey](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ArrMatey)\ **Post date:** [April 3, 2008, 3:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/commit-cultural-heresy-no-cow-too-sacred/443359/262 "2008-04-03T15:14:01Z")
[QUOTE=vivalostwages] Kevin Smith: looks and dresses like a 12-year-old boy and really believes his “work” is great stuff. [/QUOTE] Y’know, when I first watched Clerks, I would’ve disagreed whole-heartedly, but as I watch more and more of his films, I have to sway in this direction. Something about his later stuff just sort-of screams ‘believes his own hype’ too much. ---
**Author:** ![Justin\_Bailey](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/justin_bailey/32/8792_2.png) [@Justin\_Bailey](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Justin_Bailey)\ **Post date:** [April 3, 2008, 4:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/commit-cultural-heresy-no-cow-too-sacred/443359/263 "2008-04-03T16:09:09Z")
[QUOTE=ArrMatey!] Y’know, when I first watched Clerks, I would’ve disagreed whole-heartedly, but as I watch more and more of his films, I have to sway in this direction. Something about his later stuff just sort-of screams ‘believes his own hype’ too much. [/QUOTE] I’d actually say it’s completely the opposite. I think Kevin Smith is acutely aware of the fact that all of the people who enjoy his movies became fans between 1994 and 1999 and that he will never get anyone new to like his movies ever again. And I think he’s OK with that. ---
**Author:** ![jjimm](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/ba8739/32.png) [@jjimm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jjimm)\ **Post date:** [April 3, 2008, 5:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/commit-cultural-heresy-no-cow-too-sacred/443359/264 "2008-04-03T17:08:40Z")
[QUOTE=featherlou] Thank you for that. As I said in my first post in this thread, I can’t stand live theatre either. I thought it was just me and my non-pretentious upbringing, and that everyone else was seeing something in live theatre that I don’t see and have no interest in learning to see. You would have to pay me A LOT of money to get me to sit through a live performance of “Waiting for Godot.” Lots of zeroes. [/QUOTE] And here’s me, who _did_ have a pretentious upbringing (;)), and I hate the shit as well. ---
**Author:** ![ArrMatey](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/arrmatey/32/3522_2.png) [@ArrMatey](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ArrMatey)\ **Post date:** [April 3, 2008, 7:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/commit-cultural-heresy-no-cow-too-sacred/443359/265 "2008-04-03T19:05:39Z")
[QUOTE=Marlitharn] Quentin Tarentino. He makes vulgar, dismal movies full of violence and foulness that exist only for their own sake, reminding me of nothing so much as a mal-adjusted 14 year old sociopathic nerd jacking off to his dad’s bondage magazines in the basement. [/QUOTE] Okay, thanks for posting this one. To be honest, Tarentino’s movies have always kinda squicked me out, and I could never put the reasoning into words. This pretty much encompasses it. ---
**Author:** ![vison](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/v/e47774/32.png) [@vison](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/vison)\ **Post date:** [April 3, 2008, 7:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/commit-cultural-heresy-no-cow-too-sacred/443359/266 "2008-04-03T19:05:47Z")
Well, I’m one of those old people so the sacred cow I’m turning into beefsteaks is another old-timer: Jimmy Stewart. Jimmy Stewart always gave me the heebiejeebies and moreover that “Wonderful Life” movie is one of the worst and dreckiest weirdo movies ever made anywhere in the known Universe. Getting old sux. Until you consider the alternative. ---
**Author:** ![Musicat](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/musicat/32/20189_2.png) [@Musicat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Musicat)\ **Post date:** [April 3, 2008, 7:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/commit-cultural-heresy-no-cow-too-sacred/443359/267 "2008-04-03T19:16:59Z")
Elvis was overrated. King, my ass; just a swivel-hipped impostor. He died too late to save his career. ---
**Author:** ![Key\_Lime\_Guy](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/48db29/32.png) [@Key\_Lime\_Guy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Key_Lime_Guy)\ **Post date:** [April 3, 2008, 7:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/commit-cultural-heresy-no-cow-too-sacred/443359/268 "2008-04-03T19:49:34Z")
An SDMB heresy: I enjoyed **The DaVinci Code** & thought it took a lot of creativity and imagination on Dan Brown’s part. The movie wasn’t bad either. ---
**Author:** ![Scissorjack](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/c67d28/32.png) [@Scissorjack](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Scissorjack)\ **Post date:** [April 3, 2008, 8:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/commit-cultural-heresy-no-cow-too-sacred/443359/269 "2008-04-03T20:34:56Z")
[QUOTE=OtakuLoki] P.G. Wodehouse’s Jeeves is not a genial, paternal, and caring character. He is sly, manipulative and evil, and goes out of his way to make sure that Bertie’s reputation gets trashed on a regular basis. [/QUOTE] That’s true, but I wouldn’t call it cultural heresy exactly: Wodehouse makes it fairly clear that Jeeves unashamedly meddles in and rules Bertie’s life in order to keep himself in an easy and lucrative job. One of the stories is told from Jeeves’ POV, and makes his methods explicit: Bertie wants to adopt kids, and Jeeves, sensing a threat to his own comfortable life, engineers Bertie’s humiliation in front of a school of small girls. ---
**Author:** ![OtakuLoki](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/ac8455/32.png) [@OtakuLoki](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/OtakuLoki)\ **Post date:** [April 3, 2008, 8:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/commit-cultural-heresy-no-cow-too-sacred/443359/270 "2008-04-03T20:45:01Z")
**Scissorjack** , you’d be surprised how many Americans, at least, think of Jeeves as the perfect servant and friend. Though, I have to admit, not many of them know the actual Bertie and Jeeves stories. ---
**Author:** ![Rubystreak](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/e5b9ba/32.png) [@Rubystreak](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rubystreak)\ **Post date:** [April 3, 2008, 9:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/commit-cultural-heresy-no-cow-too-sacred/443359/271 "2008-04-03T21:41:46Z")
[QUOTE=Alessan] Whether or not Deckard is a potted cactus is also unknowable. [/quote] What a terrible analogy. He’s most demonstrably not a potted plant; however, the very fact that there’s controversy about his humanity indicates that people aren’t sure. And they’re not supposed to be. Arguing about it like someone’s right is a waste of time, since you’re not given enough information to know for sure, so neither conclusion is provable. > [@](#): > > Anything is unknowable if you think about it too much. No, it’s really not. > [@](#): > > All I know is that the question of Deckard being a replicant never came up (at least that I ever heard) until 20 years after the movie came out. I suspect Scott pulled the whole question out of thin air to whip up sales for his latest edition. Actually, again, I have to say, you’re wrong here. The controversy intensified when the Director’s Cut was released without the cheesy voiceover and the “happy” ending. I heard Scott talking about it on NPR and he said it was not his choice to release the version that was released. However, since both versions exist, both views of Deckard are supportable. It’s an unresolvable discussion. I wish people would accept and embrace the ambiguity. I also though the series finale of The Sopranos was awesome and brilliant, so maybe I just like not knowing. ---
**Author:** ![Just\_Some\_Guy](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/ad7895/32.png) [@Just\_Some\_Guy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Just_Some_Guy)\ **Post date:** [April 3, 2008, 9:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/commit-cultural-heresy-no-cow-too-sacred/443359/272 "2008-04-03T21:58:14Z")
[QUOTE=Grossbottom] Is. Totally is. [/QUOTE] I just went through this the other day. The only way he is a replicant is if there is a huge conspiracy that exists only to break the fourth wall and screw with the viewer’s mind. There’s too many things that exist to point to Decker having an extensive past rather than memory implants and if he was a replicant then why bother with the fraud when you can set it up so that he just doesn’t realize it. People would have had to set up his old career, his co-workers, his apartment, and more for no good reason. So, yes the director’s cut all but comes out and says he’s a replicant with that ending but it’s an event that exists solely to screw with the audience and doesn’t make sense in the context of the rest of the film. ---
**Author:** ![Roadfood](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/9fc348/32.png) [@Roadfood](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Roadfood)\ **Post date:** [April 3, 2008, 11:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/commit-cultural-heresy-no-cow-too-sacred/443359/273 "2008-04-03T23:37:03Z")
Joss Whedon is a no-talent hack who has never had two original ideas to rub together… And he just keeps getting worse as time goes on. _Buffy_ was ok, _Angel_ was watchable, _Firefly_ sucked donkey toes. The “death of Buffy’s mom” episode of Buffy was the single worst hour of television in the history of the medium. Quentin Tarentino makes crap, although he at least has had a couple of good ideas to Whedon’s one. The Sopranos is not the high point of modern TV, it’s the low point. An entire show about the worst criminals? Trying to make them seem “human”? Sucks, sucks, sucks. Shakespeare was a moderately good writer who just happened to come along first. The Lord of the Rings is tripe. Wine is just a disgusting beverage. There’s no such thing as “good” art, it’s all just someone’s opinion. All of philosophy is just mental masturbation that has never contributed one tiny useful thing to society. ---
**Author:** ![fessie](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/c37758/32.png) [@fessie](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/fessie)\ **Post date:** [April 3, 2008, 11:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/commit-cultural-heresy-no-cow-too-sacred/443359/274 "2008-04-03T23:40:22Z")
stagger stagger stagger ::::thud::::: ---
**Author:** ![pravnik](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/8edcca/32.png) [@pravnik](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/pravnik)\ **Post date:** [April 3, 2008, 11:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/commit-cultural-heresy-no-cow-too-sacred/443359/275 "2008-04-03T23:50:42Z")
[QUOTE=Roadfood] All of philosophy is just mental masturbation that has never contributed one tiny useful thing to society. [/QUOTE] Even Boolean logic? ---
**Author:** ![HMS\_Irruncible](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/hms_irruncible/32/7394_2.png) [@HMS\_Irruncible](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/HMS_Irruncible)\ **Post date:** [April 3, 2008, 11:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/commit-cultural-heresy-no-cow-too-sacred/443359/276 "2008-04-03T23:53:41Z")
[QUOTE=Roadfood] Joss Whedon is a no-talent hack who has never had two original ideas to rub together.. And he just keeps getting worse as time goes on. _Buffy_ was ok, _Angel_ was watchable, _Firefly_ sucked donkey toes. [/QUOTE] But…but… the spaceship was shaped like a horse, because they’re like, space cowboys! And it also had the butt end of a firefly because… well… I guess because the show was called Firefly? And everybody spoke Mandarin, but only when they were angry or wanted to seem funny! Maybe one of the brown-noses can explain? ---
**Author:** ![Roadfood](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/9fc348/32.png) [@Roadfood](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Roadfood)\ **Post date:** [April 4, 2008, 12:10am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/commit-cultural-heresy-no-cow-too-sacred/443359/277 "2008-04-04T00:10:37Z")
[QUOTE=Cosmic Relief] But…but… the spaceship was shaped like a horse, because they’re like, space cowboys! And it also had the butt end of a firefly because… well… I guess because the show was called Firefly? And everybody spoke Mandarin, but only when they were angry or wanted to seem funny! Maybe one of the brown-noses can explain? [/QUOTE] Rebuttals are supposed to go [in this thread](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?p=9649802#post9649802). ---
**Author:** ![Roadfood](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/9fc348/32.png) [@Roadfood](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Roadfood)\ **Post date:** [April 4, 2008, 12:13am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/commit-cultural-heresy-no-cow-too-sacred/443359/278 "2008-04-04T00:13:11Z")
[QUOTE=fessie] stagger stagger stagger ::::thud::::: [/QUOTE] Ok, this made me smile, thanks. ---
**Author:** ![HMS\_Irruncible](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/hms_irruncible/32/7394_2.png) [@HMS\_Irruncible](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/HMS_Irruncible)\ **Post date:** [April 4, 2008, 12:20am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/commit-cultural-heresy-no-cow-too-sacred/443359/279 "2008-04-04T00:20:44Z")
[QUOTE=Roadfood] Rebuttals are supposed to go [in this thread](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?p=9649802#post9649802). [/QUOTE] You’re either a fiendishly clever comic genius or you have a very strange concept of what a rebuttal is. ---
**Author:** ![Cat\_Whisperer](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cat_whisperer/32/4839_2.png) [@Cat\_Whisperer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cat_Whisperer)\ **Post date:** [April 4, 2008, 4:20am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/commit-cultural-heresy-no-cow-too-sacred/443359/280 "2008-04-04T04:20:42Z")
[QUOTE=pravnik] Even Boolean logic? [/QUOTE] Of all logic, Boolean is my favourite. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/commit-cultural-heresy-no-cow-too-sacred/443359.md?page=13) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/commit-cultural-heresy-no-cow-too-sacred/443359.md?page=15)