That is nonsense.
Oh great. Another “gun deaths” guy. Saying that there are more gun deaths in places where gun ownership is higher is like saying there are more hypothermia deaths in places with colder temperatures. I think we should ban police cars, ambulances and fire trucks. This should certainly bring the motor vehicle accident rate down.
Why not look at overall homicide rates? Oh wait…I know why.
Well, please enlighten us. As long as a prohibited person can get one single gun, he’s set for life. That is unlike your speeding analogy.
It is nonsense to say that if one criminal gets one gun, then the whole idea of regulating guns is invalid.
You seem to think that the pendulum has swung about as far as it is going to swing in this direction and I would suggest that the pendulum cold swing a lot further.
We do not yet have a nationally recognized right to bear arms. We could still get this.
We have not yet established clear standards of review on firearms legislation. if we adopt the intermediate scrutiny standard. We can look forward to having pretty much every gun law subjected to this standard over the next few decades.
The pendulum could go much further in the current direction.
Its not just fame and money. I think less than 1% of eligible voters in the NRA actually vote for board members. The only folks who tend to vote are more hard core than the average NRA member.
Some people might read that to say that you are willing to try anything and keep trying new things until we either have no more gun rights left or we virtually eliminate gun violence. I think most gun owners think that we are likely to get the first before we get anywhere near the second.
There is pretty conclusive scientific proof that vaccination does not cause autism. There is no conclusive proof that anything you propose would achieve any of the results you think.
So then why were you so excited about the assault weapons ban?
Your support of the assault weapons ban makes me think that you either don’t know what will or won’t affect gun violence or that you don’t really care as long as it is a restriction on guns.
The OTHER lesson that piece of history teaches us is that you can have a gun registry for over 80 years without the federal government confiscating the guns on the registry. So why are we so concerned about gun registries? Are you concerned that they will close the registry and people would not be able to buy new guns?
I’d also want to have national carry permits and eliminate the restrictions on SBR SBS and suppressors.
We can still buy one. Just not a new one. The cheapest one I can buy is a about $8000 and its a piece of crap.
You weren’t in NYC during the 70’s and 80’s were you?
Not in CA.
Feinstein has been quoted as saying that she would like to get rid of all the guns during the first Assault Weapons Ban.
I think you are conflating gun confiscation and gun registration. Gun registration has much of the beneficial effects of a total gun ban by restricting criminal access to guns while minimizing the negative effects of a gun ban by permitting law abiding citizens to own guns.
Try analogizing a total gun ban to speeding limits. The analogy starts to break down.
Gun bans and Feinstein suck, but the basis for that statement is an out-of-context quote. The context is that Feinstein was being interviewed (60 minutes) and was asked about why only newly manufactured and imported guns were impacted by the AWB, and older guns and magazines were grandfathered, and therefore reasonably available for purchase on the used and NOS market. In the context of only guns identified as assault weapons, she said:
[QUOTE=Diane Feinstein]
"If I could have gotten 51 votes in the Senate of the United States for an outright ban, picking up every one of them, ‘M–Mr. and Mrs. America, turn them all in,’ I would have done it. I could not do that. The votes weren’t here."
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While I strongly suspect that Ms. Feinstein would like to ban every gun, possibly excepting the one she was known to have carried in her purse, she is not, in fact, on record as saying so. She is on record as saying she would like to ban all AW’s and have them all turned in.
He’s not talking about regulating guns. He’s talking about banning guns.
If I were on the gun control side I would say:
Every year, cops seize tens of thousands of guns. Unfortunately the inflow of guns is unlimited.
If we banned guns entirely, then over time, this will deplete the stock of guns in criminal hands IF we can restrict the inflow of guns into criminal hands. Banning guns entirely would reduce the inflow of guns into criminal hands to guns smuggled over the border and those manufactured by criminals. Guns manufactured by criminals are notoriously unreliable and it is fairly difficult to smuggle guns into the USA. The outflow of guns from criminal hands would be significantly higher than the inflow of guns and the stock of guns owned by criminals would decrease over time.
This means that we might only be 40 or 50 years away from very low criminal gun ownership. So you only have to live with armed criminals in an unarmed society for a couple of generations.
All you have to do is amend the constitution and convince Americans that 40-50 years of being unarmed in the face of armed criminals would be worth having our grandchildren live in a relatively unarmed society.
—OR—
You can have gun licensing and registration. This would virtually eliminate the transfer of guns from legal gun owner to illegal gun owner. Of course we still have thousands of stolen guns every year but this number is still lower than the number of guns seized by police every year so the stock of guns would take longer to deplete. So what might take 40 or 50 years with a total gun ban might take a hundred years with licensing and registration (and the eventual criminal gun ownership level would probably be somewhat higher than with a total gun ban).
Licensing and registration does not require an amendment to the constitution. There is already a large plurality that supports in fact or in effect a licensing and registration scheme (if you support universal background checks you are in effect supporting gun registration and licensing is not far behind). If you offered to eliminate all state and local gun licensing and registration laws and adopted a national concealed carry permit (along with getting rid of the more outdated portions of the NFA (see suppressors, SBS, SBR), you might even get a few gun nuts on board.
Thanks for the clarification. I will remember that.
Are you forgetting that San Francisco banned ALL handguns in 1982 while Feinstein was mayor? She signed that into law. So let’s see, all handguns, all semi-auto rifles that have cosmetic features that make them scary looking, all standard capacity magazines…
But she’s doesn’t want to ban ALL guns, just certain types. That is so obviously false.