An abortion is the deliberate killing of an innocent victim. The equivalent when it comes to guns is already a felony.
Except that it’s stupid because not everywhere is that the case for abortion.
It is the goal of Republicans to make so. Would that they were so motivated to insure students had the same right to life they demand for a blastocyst.
Hey, you’re preaching to the choir here. I was trying to show what would have/ought to be done if people were really serious about banning guns.
It would, I suppose, if it wasn’t taught in the schools. Now if you are in favor of requiring basic firearms theory for all students say through the “health class” programs (like driver theory is) and having actual hands hands-on training for some/most students by their choice ------- you got my support. Overly bloody films and all. It could be more a PA thing but even in the poorest schools, even when music and art were cut long ago, at least some level of drivers ed continues. Maybe the car insurance lobby is stronger than the NRA? Interesting to speculate about at least in our minds.
No - far from nothing. My counter-proposal would be one or a combination of two alternatives.
a) Strict enforcement of the laws already on the books
b) Near-draconian punishment of anyone who either uses a firearm in the commission of a crime or commits an offense in which the firearm is the crime (IE - illegal sale).
Going back to the OP –
so we’re talking all guns and not just handguns. And we can play word games all we want but the car things still holds true. 
I am a bad person to try to play that analogy on however you mean it; I don’t find cars necessary at all and I don’t buy this so-called “American car culture” thing. Its as big a piece of crap and “gun culture” or “tobacco culture”. We can implement all the laws we could dream of against all three and it wouldn’t change my life very much at all. But I do keep myself abreast of what is going on in terms of both cars and guns. So you may want to check my response to Robert. To put it in its short form, teach it in schools on the same level we do cars and ----- you got my vote.
Hey! It was my day off and I had fun things to do! 
Sorry for the miss reading of your intent. :o
Ok fine, I can’t positively state that the NRA would directly support arming the 3 Cs, but I think they will stand in the way of any regulation of additional regulation of guns, no matter how much sense it makes. There are already laws against the sale of guns to that set of people, but the NRA will still stand in the way legislation that has any teeth to proactively prevent it from happening anyway. I would like to find out what they would say about my proposal to make gun owners civilly and criminally responsible for whatever happens with their guns. I think there would be a lot more voluntary gun control in those circumstances.
The first part; if you have followed the similar thread concerning the mentally ill and other like threads here, it isn’t so much the pro-gun/NRA crowd speaking out against enforcement of the current laws against the “3 Cs” and the implementation of more laws against them so much as those of us more left of center. We keep running into individual rights/freedom vs. the good of society as a whole. If someone thinks the mentally ill are more important to them than the safety of the rest of us, even the current laws can seem harsh. Same goes for drug use and just about everything else mentioned on form 4473. Which is the sad part to me; it isn’t the NRA making the current background checks and balances ineffective – its more me and my friends.
As for your proposal, I believe they are in favor of it as it pertains to illegally owned, transferred or modified firearms but against it when it comes to stolen legal firearms. Their argument is that since we don’t hold owners of other dangerous items responsible for what happens after that property is stolen, we shouldn’t do so with guns. I’m not sure I totally buy that argument but I can understand it.
This is not true either. To defeat this claim, I only need find one example of additional regulation that the NRA either did not stand in the way of, or supported.
The NRA supported The NICS Improvement Amendments Act Of 2007.
I would say this is shortsighted and deviates from treatment of all other items. It is also dependent on a registry of guns which would never be supported.
Serious question here, not trying to be a smartass (really). But what does the average cop think of gun control? I realize these may be blanket generalizations, but my impression is it’s mainly Republicans who are the strongest against any form of gun control. And it feels like cops tend to be Republicans (no cite, just personal experience). And it seems to me it would benefit a cop to know the person he’s approaching about this or that infraction probably is not armed. What is the opinion on gun-control legislation among the rank and file police?
You’re not from around here, are you?
In general, the average beat cop is against gun control, whereas the average police chief has a tendency to be in favor of gun control.
I’ll trade you.
I’ll go along with that, if you’ll go along with my addendum:
- Everybody who can pass a background check is REQUIRED to own a gun.
- Any such person who cannot afford a gun will be provided one free of charge by the government.
- Gun ownership is a requirement for any elected office.
- Giving away, destroying, mutilating, or anything else that renders a gun unusable by the original owner shall be punished by a mandatory 15-year prison term.
- Any person who cannot pass the handgun aptitude test shall be given free remedial lessons for at least 3 months.
- There shall be no restriction on any form of carry of any type of weapon in any place whatsoever.
- Anybody who calls the police at the sight of somebody calmly open carrying shall be given a 6-month prison sentence for misuse of emergency services.
1, 2, 3, 5 & 6
7, but a lot less sever for the first offense.
8, mandatory 10 hours & 100 rounds at a range with each weapon spread over 3 trips with government supplied ammo. Can be digitally recorded and cheap instruction - instructional comments if desired or for really bad weapon use.
You forgot one little thing there, champ. After the regimes in Australia and the UK disarmed all the honest people so that they could no longer defend themselves violent crime has skyrocketed!
And if your “Mister Obama” - and the Pope too - hate guns so much how about they set an example for us and get rid of all those hired gunsels that surround them and protect THEIR own rear ends night and day?
It has ? I’ve never even seen nor heard a violent crime before or since.
You are incoherent.
How so ? To experience violent crime one would either have to see it happening, or hear it happening, or both.
I have lived in a lot of places in Britain and neither seen nor heard a violent crime being committed. Not even ever burgled.
One can get cheated here — as I suppose one can in some parts of the USA — but dealing with violent thugs is vanishingly rare.
blink blink And the purpose or expected societal benefit would be… ?