# Community 5/17 - 3 episodes **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [May 18, 2012, 2:04am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/community-5-17-3-episodes/622280 "2012-05-18T02:04:59Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 4
**Author:** ![Alessan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/alessan/32/465_2.png) [@Alessan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Alessan)\ **Post date:** [May 19, 2012, 9:48am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/community-5-17-3-episodes/622280/62 "2012-05-19T09:48:50Z")
> [@GuanoLad](#): > > [Dan responds.](http://danharmon.tumblr.com/post/23339272200/hey-did-i-miss-anything) I don’t think I’ll be watching the next season. ---
**Author:** ![RealityChuck](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/realitychuck/32/195_2.png) [@RealityChuck](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RealityChuck)\ **Post date:** [May 19, 2012, 12:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/community-5-17-3-episodes/622280/63 "2012-05-19T12:02:23Z")
Most idiotic bit of network interference since CBS renewed **Bob**. ---
**Author:** ![GrandWino](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/grandwino/32/67_2.png) [@GrandWino](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GrandWino)\ **Post date:** [May 19, 2012, 1:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/community-5-17-3-episodes/622280/64 "2012-05-19T13:25:00Z")
The show’s top writer, Chris McKenna, tweeted last night that he’ll be leaving the show now that Harmon is gone. Also, Harmon’s 2 chief “lieutenants” (as Sepinwall calls them) have already left to work on a new show at Fox. And with Harmon spending his days masturbating and playing Prototype 2 (and why wouldn’t he?) there won’t be much left there to keep any kind of consistency in the transition. ---
**Author:** ![GrandWino](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/grandwino/32/67_2.png) [@GrandWino](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GrandWino)\ **Post date:** [May 19, 2012, 1:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/community-5-17-3-episodes/622280/65 "2012-05-19T13:32:16Z")
Something from the [Sepinwall story](http://www.hitfix.com/blogs/whats-alan-watching/posts/can-community-work-without-dan-harmon) this morning that I found interesting: " “Community” is the only sitcom I’m aware of where every episode’s story was modeled on Joseph Campbell’s “The Hero’s Journey”… " I’d never thought of it that way before, but it seems pretty accurate when you think about it. ---
**Author:** ![Banquet\_Bear](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/banquet_bear/32/373_2.png) [@Banquet\_Bear](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Banquet_Bear)\ **Post date:** [May 19, 2012, 1:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/community-5-17-3-episodes/622280/66 "2012-05-19T13:32:17Z")
> [@Alessan](#): > > I don’t think I’ll be watching the next season. …yeah: I’m out. ---
**Author:** ![MyFootsZZZ](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/myfootszzz/32/12580_2.png) [@MyFootsZZZ](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MyFootsZZZ)\ **Post date:** [May 19, 2012, 1:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/community-5-17-3-episodes/622280/67 "2012-05-19T13:37:58Z")
Damnit, why even bring it back? ---
**Author:** ![Sampiro](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/2acd7d/32.png) [@Sampiro](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sampiro)\ **Post date:** [May 19, 2012, 1:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/community-5-17-3-episodes/622280/68 "2012-05-19T13:51:24Z")
> [@GuanoLad](#): > > [Dan responds.](http://danharmon.tumblr.com/post/23339272200/hey-did-i-miss-anything) It’s kind of refreshing when somebody doesn’t play the “but it’s all good and it was a mutual decision” cards on things like this, though (because of his talent) I hope it doesn’t hurt his career. Giancarlo seems to have aged a lot since he got blown up. But, I suppose one would. Joel McHale in tight Goth clothes… damn. I like Ken Jeong, but I fault Chang for some of this show’s low success. He just doesn’t work as a regular character. Lots of DUNE references, it seemed to me at least, partly with Troy and the AC school (the Freon Fremen?) and in Jeff’s fight with Chang. I was surprised John Goodman’s character really was dead- I expected it to be a fake, but backlit postmortem Jedi visitations don’t lie. ---
**Author:** ![LaurenIpsum](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/7993a0/32.png) [@LaurenIpsum](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/LaurenIpsum)\ **Post date:** [May 19, 2012, 2:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/community-5-17-3-episodes/622280/69 "2012-05-19T14:02:05Z")
I liked the video game episode. I don’t have a lot of gaming experience - mainly Super Mario Brothers and Legend of Zelda from the original NES - but I guess it was enough for me to get a lot of the references. Although it seemed like this episode was meant to have happened earlier, because Troy and Abed are seen entering the study room at the end, even though by that point they had been expelled. While the next 2 episodes were good, it seemed like the arcs were finished in a big rush. The air conditioning annex seemed to have quite a buildup from the beginning, and it ended up with Troy joining them for half an episode and then the department becomes normal. And Evil Abed was defeated fairly quickly too. But all in all, a good 3 episodes. I also got the feeling that the final one was meant to act as a series finale, but I’m glad it isn’t. ---
**Author:** ![Katriona](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/katriona/32/113_2.png) [@Katriona](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Katriona)\ **Post date:** [May 19, 2012, 2:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/community-5-17-3-episodes/622280/70 "2012-05-19T14:17:59Z")
> [@RealityChuck](#): > > [A guest spot for the next season?](http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=BtEW3dAAF7M) That? NEEDS TO HAPPEN! ---
**Author:** ![emacknight](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/3ec8ea/32.png) [@emacknight](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/emacknight)\ **Post date:** [May 19, 2012, 2:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/community-5-17-3-episodes/622280/71 "2012-05-19T14:35:40Z")
What cracked me up about the video game episode was the way each character interacted with the game. Right off the bat Hawthorn didn’t know how to move the player, so he was just running into a wall. Jeff was overly aggressive and ran at thing. And then Abed spending time going through each and every drop down menu methodically. Asking the same question over and over until something changed. “Let’s hang back and learn their tactics.” “She wants me to meet her father” “My father is the blacksmith” Reminded me of a really old video game called Leisure Suit Larry and the Land of the Lounge Lizards. So much of this show is a weird character study or out 7 people interact in different scenarios. It started with the 7 randoms attending a community college. But then through 3 seasons kept plopping them into other scenarios like a massive paintball game. ---
**Author:** ![obfusciatrist](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/4af34b/32.png) [@obfusciatrist](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/obfusciatrist)\ **Post date:** [May 19, 2012, 2:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/community-5-17-3-episodes/622280/72 "2012-05-19T14:53:16Z")
And this is why you don’t play your employees’ drunken phone messages for public laughs. (I have no idea if they’re connected but when talking about Harmon I’m sure it made it easier for Sony being able to add “and he’s quite the asshole” to the end of each sentence. Too bad. I’ll certainly give the show a shot but it does not bode well. ---
**Author:** ![Sampiro](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/2acd7d/32.png) [@Sampiro](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sampiro)\ **Post date:** [May 19, 2012, 3:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/community-5-17-3-episodes/622280/73 "2012-05-19T15:11:35Z")
> [@RealityChuck](#): > > [A guest spot for the next season?](http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=BtEW3dAAF7M) If she has a guest spot, her name should be Hilda. ---
**Author:** ![lisacurl](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/41988e/32.png) [@lisacurl](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/lisacurl)\ **Post date:** [May 19, 2012, 4:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/community-5-17-3-episodes/622280/74 "2012-05-19T16:23:42Z")
> [@Sampiro](#): > > It’s kind of refreshing when somebody doesn’t play the “but it’s all good and it was a mutual decision” cards on things like this, though (because of his talent) I hope it doesn’t hurt his career. > > … > > Joel McHale in tight Goth clothes… damn. > > I like Ken Jeong, but I fault Chang for some of this show’s low success. He just doesn’t work as a regular character. I’ve read a lot about Dan Harmon’s personal problems – he’s probably a functioning alcoholic – and frankly, I’m not surprised to see him essentially fired. You have to be an extra-special-super-genius for your bosses to put up with assholish behavior on a consistent basis, and while he’s good, he ain’t that good. McHale is not usually my type, but I have a sick weakness for the sarcastic Winger character. Dress him up in leather pants and eyeliner, and I was a goner. I agree about Chang. I’m so sick of Chang at this point, yet I loved his occasional appearances in early seasons. ---
**Author:** ![Rigamarole](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/77aa72/32.png) [@Rigamarole](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rigamarole)\ **Post date:** [May 19, 2012, 4:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/community-5-17-3-episodes/622280/75 "2012-05-19T16:26:51Z")
> [@obfusciatrist](#): > > And this is why you don’t play your employees’ drunken phone messages for public laughs. (I have no idea if they’re connected but when talking about Harmon I’m sure it made it easier for Sony being able to add “and he’s quite the asshole” to the end of each sentence. Link? ---
**Author:** ![LaurenIpsum](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/7993a0/32.png) [@LaurenIpsum](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/LaurenIpsum)\ **Post date:** [May 19, 2012, 4:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/community-5-17-3-episodes/622280/76 "2012-05-19T16:39:45Z")
Although I too am sick of Chang (he’s better in small doses), I got a chuckle out of “Benjamin Franklin Chang.” 😃 ---
**Author:** ![Acsenray](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/acsenray/32/4519_2.png) [@Acsenray](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Acsenray)\ **Post date:** [May 19, 2012, 4:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/community-5-17-3-episodes/622280/77 "2012-05-19T16:53:44Z")
> [@Rigamarole](#): > > Link? Harmon apparently chewed Chase out in front of his family and a drunken Chase left a [voice mail message](http://www.tmz.com/2012/04/02/chevy-chase-rips-community-creator-i-hope-you-die/), which Harmon leaked to the internet. ---
**Author:** ![Acsenray](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/acsenray/32/4519_2.png) [@Acsenray](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Acsenray)\ **Post date:** [May 19, 2012, 4:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/community-5-17-3-episodes/622280/78 "2012-05-19T16:58:19Z")
Dan Harmon discussing his alcohol consumption with the [Onion A.V. Club](http://www.avclub.com/articles/dan-harmon-walks-us-through-communitys-second-seas,57209/2/): > [@](#): > > There’s no bigger drunk than me. I’m drinking a glass of vodka while I talk to you about this. I’m not Trey Parker. I don’t wanna just assume that the way I live my life and the things that I believe need to be somehow imparted to people. That’s easier with Trey because he’s a libertarian, and his views are more neutral. I can’t get away with that, because my views are left of Chomsky, and my habits are left of Belushi. I can’t just suggest that America get into what I’m into. So in an episode about everybody getting shit-faced, I was the one going, “Let’s not glamorize it. Let’s make sure that if you don’t drink, you walk away from the episode not thinking maybe you’re missing something.” ---
**Author:** ![Alessan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/alessan/32/465_2.png) [@Alessan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Alessan)\ **Post date:** [May 19, 2012, 5:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/community-5-17-3-episodes/622280/79 "2012-05-19T17:03:57Z")
Find out what vodka he drinks and send all of our showrunners a case, if it will get the same results. ---
**Author:** ![Sampiro](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/2acd7d/32.png) [@Sampiro](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sampiro)\ **Post date:** [May 19, 2012, 6:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/community-5-17-3-episodes/622280/80 "2012-05-19T18:03:54Z")
> [@lisacurl](#): > > I’ve read a lot about Dan Harmon’s personal problems – he’s probably a functioning alcoholic – and frankly, I’m not surprised to see him essentially fired. You have to be an extra-special-super-genius for your bosses to put up with assholish behavior on a consistent basis… Or have a hit, in which case you could kick war orphans and the nuns who feed them on live TV while strung out on heroin, PCP, ecstacy, and two drugs still in beta testing and the producers will claim it’s a misunderstanding and all’s well. Unfortunately, Harmon didn’t do that either. ---
**Author:** ![AlsoNamedBort](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/alsonamedbort/32/3213_2.png) [@AlsoNamedBort](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AlsoNamedBort)\ **Post date:** [May 19, 2012, 9:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/community-5-17-3-episodes/622280/81 "2012-05-19T21:37:22Z")
Interesting little part about the finale, Jeff’s final speech was basically the opposite of his first little speech: ``` 1x01 Pilot Professor Duncan: I’m asking you if you know the difference between right and wrong. Jeff Winger: I discovered at a very early age that if I talked long enough I could make anything right or wrong. So either I’m god, or truth is relative. And either case booyah. ``` … Professor Duncan: The average person has a much harder time saying ’booyah’ to moral relativism. ``` 3x22 Introduction to Finality Jeff Winger: I mean, guys like me, we’ll tell you there’s no right or wrong—there’s no real truths. And as long as we all believe that, guys like me can never lose. Because the truth is, I’m lying when I say there is no truth. The truth is—the pathetically, stupidly, inconveniently, obvious truth is, helping only ourselves is bad and helping each other is good. ``` … Pierce Hawthorne: Booyah, good person! [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/community-5-17-3-episodes/622280.md?page=3) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/community-5-17-3-episodes/622280.md?page=5)