# Community, October 27 **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [October 28, 2011, 5:23am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/community-october-27/601044 "2011-10-28T05:23:47Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 3
**Author:** ![singular1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ba9def/32.png) [@singular1](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/singular1)\ **Post date:** [October 29, 2011, 5:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/community-october-27/601044/41 "2011-10-29T17:22:02Z")
I’m pretty sure it’s six seasons and a movie… ---
**Author:** ![Carmady](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/f04885/32.png) [@Carmady](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Carmady)\ **Post date:** [October 29, 2011, 5:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/community-october-27/601044/42 "2011-10-29T17:57:18Z")
> [@SenorBeef](#): > > It doesn’t get popular critical acclaim either - no emmy noms ever. I have no idea why this show gets no buzz. I mean, I get that there are great shows that no one watches because they’re all idiots (Arrested Development being the prime example), but then critics recognized that it was better than the rest of the crap on TV. But they don’t seem to with community. I don’t get it. I think Community takes longer to get into than Arrested Development. Even though it is an acquired taste for some, you can get the basic idea of what AD is all about with a single episode. Not so for Community, where different episodes could almost have come from entirely different shows. If you watch them all, you can see how they work together to achieve greatness, but critics aren’t going to do that. ---
**Author:** ![RealityChuck](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/realitychuck/32/195_2.png) [@RealityChuck](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RealityChuck)\ **Post date:** [October 29, 2011, 6:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/community-october-27/601044/43 "2011-10-29T18:05:55Z")
**Community** has not been neglected by TV critics; it was listed as tied for the 4th best show of 2010 by Metacritic review of “best of the year” lists. Emmy does ignore it, but I suspect the difficulty of picking one best actor/actress breaks up the vote. ---
**Author:** ![Carmady](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/f04885/32.png) [@Carmady](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Carmady)\ **Post date:** [October 29, 2011, 6:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/community-october-27/601044/44 "2011-10-29T18:16:03Z")
> [@RealityChuck](#): > > **Community** has not been neglected by TV critics; it was listed as tied for the 4th best show of 2010 by Metacritic review of “best of the year” lists. > > Emmy does ignore it, but I suspect the difficulty of picking one best actor/actress breaks up the vote. **SenorBeef** said that it does not get “popular critical acclaim.” Metacritic is not a counterexample. Arrested Development was nominated every year for Outstanding Comedy Series, and it won once. Community has never even been nominated. ---
**Author:** ![Sampiro](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/2acd7d/32.png) [@Sampiro](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sampiro)\ **Post date:** [October 29, 2011, 6:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/community-october-27/601044/45 "2011-10-29T18:47:24Z")
[QUOTE=MyFootsZZZ] I Wonder what a \*\*Community \*\*movie would be like… [/QUOTE] Hopefully lots of McHale and Glover nudity. Maybe a hard core “Troy and Abed having gayyyy sex!” dream sequence. Throw in Annie’s boobs (the human, not the monkey) for straight guys and lesbians. ---
**Author:** ![RealityChuck](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/realitychuck/32/195_2.png) [@RealityChuck](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RealityChuck)\ **Post date:** [October 29, 2011, 6:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/community-october-27/601044/46 "2011-10-29T18:59:08Z")
> [@Carmady](#): > > **SenorBeef** said that it does not get “popular critical acclaim.” That is a contradiction in terms. Either something is popular, or it’s critically acclaimed. It can be both, but “popular critical acclaim” is meaningless, since critical acclaim is not a popularity vote. ---
**Author:** ![Carmady](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/f04885/32.png) [@Carmady](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Carmady)\ **Post date:** [October 29, 2011, 7:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/community-october-27/601044/47 "2011-10-29T19:17:19Z")
> [@RealityChuck](#): > > That is a contradiction in terms. Either something is popular, or it’s critically acclaimed. It can be both, but “popular critical acclaim” is meaningless, since critical acclaim is not a popularity vote. The Emmys and Golden Globes are examples of well-known (i.e. popular) sources of critical acclaim. Thus, popular critical acclaim. Arrested Development won six Emmy awards and one Golden Globe, and was consistently nominated. Community doesn’t even get nominated. AD was far more well-known as being a “critically acclaimed show.” The sentiment being expressed was wonderment at this disparity. ---
**Author:** ![Nobody](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/94ad74/32.png) [@Nobody](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Nobody)\ **Post date:** [October 29, 2011, 7:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/community-october-27/601044/48 "2011-10-29T19:40:45Z")
> [@MyFootsZZZ](#): > > I Wonder what a \*\*Community \*\*movie would be like… I’d be worried that the producers, writes, and/or the director would screw it up. Or they’d try to play it safe and must make it an hour and a half long episode. ---
**Author:** ![TBG](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/c89c15/32.png) [@TBG](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/TBG)\ **Post date:** [October 29, 2011, 9:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/community-october-27/601044/49 "2011-10-29T21:29:26Z")
> [@RealityChuck](#): > > That is a contradiction in terms. Either something is popular, or it’s critically acclaimed. It can be both, but “popular critical acclaim” is meaningless, since critical acclaim is not a popularity vote. Way to pull an Abed. ---
**Author:** ![Exapno\_Mapcase](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/exapno_mapcase/32/1051_2.png) [@Exapno\_Mapcase](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Exapno_Mapcase)\ **Post date:** [October 29, 2011, 9:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/community-october-27/601044/50 "2011-10-29T21:40:10Z")
The current issue of Entertainment Weekly, the “comedy issue,” has a huge photo spread of the Community characters dressed up as the casts of \*Porky’s \*(towel alert), _The Breakfast Club_, and _Fast Times at Ridgemont High_ (bikini alert). Three pages of love. Jim Parsons gets a paragraph. So many people complained about the lack of nominations for the show that they might be noticed this year. Except that all the hit new series are sitcoms whose casts might bump them from their rightful slots. ---
**Author:** ![Quimby](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/q/22d042/32.png) [@Quimby](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Quimby)\ **Post date:** [October 29, 2011, 10:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/community-october-27/601044/51 "2011-10-29T22:23:40Z")
> [@Swords\_to\_Plowshares](#): > > The show’s salvation is that its viewers skew young. It gets a decent representation in the 18-49 demographic, which is very important. It also, from what I understand, get a huge bump from DVR users (people watching Big Bang Theory, I imagine) which doesn’t count as much as live viewers bit does count for something. I think what saves it is that its audience is small but demographically desirable and also fanatical about the show. Also NBC is so far in the toilet they other other, more important problems. I expect it to lose it lead off status and also eventually move to a different night but I don’t expect to get canceled. In fact I would be shocked if it didn’t get renewed for season 4 because season 4 brings it to the magic syndication number. ---
**Author:** ![Acsenray](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/acsenray/32/4519_2.png) [@Acsenray](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Acsenray)\ **Post date:** [October 30, 2011, 12:02am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/community-october-27/601044/52 "2011-10-30T00:02:14Z")
I think Community, _has_ been critically acclaimed. The Golden Globes are popularity contests; critics don’t decide. As for the lack of Emmy nominations – that’s not the only sign of critical approval. The first place you go to for critical acclaim is critics critiquing, and the show has largely received good reviews from critics. ---
**Author:** ![RealityChuck](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/realitychuck/32/195_2.png) [@RealityChuck](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RealityChuck)\ **Post date:** [October 30, 2011, 12:50am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/community-october-27/601044/53 "2011-10-30T00:50:54Z")
> [@Carmady](#): > > The Emmys and Golden Globes are examples of well-known (i.e. popular) sources of critical acclaim. Thus, popular critical acclaim. Neither award is “popular” under the usual definition of the word. They are voted upon by a small group of people (the Golden Globes especially – I think it’s around 100 voters, if that many), none of them critics. They also aren’t exactly what anyone on Earth considered “critical acclaim”: they are awards. Critical acclaim, by definition, is acclaim by critics. There is popularity, but that’s different. But “popular critical acclaim” is a nonsense term; “popular and critical acclaim” – a different concept altogether – is what you’re thinking of. **Arrested Development** won more awards, but **Community** has always been critically acclaimed – in other words, it was praised by people who are paid to give opinions about TV shows. Critics considered it one of the best shows of last year, mentioning it far more often then shows like **30 Rock** and **Parks and Recreation**. It received more first-place votes among TV critics’ top ten lists than any show other than **Mad Men** and **Breaking Bad** (from critics who ranked shows). By any definition, that’s critical acclaim. It just hasn’t been nominated for awards, but the awards process is notoriously fluky. Golden Globes, as I mentioned, are a critical joke and the Emmys also have problems. ---
**Author:** ![Mosier](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/7ea924/32.png) [@Mosier](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mosier)\ **Post date:** [October 30, 2011, 12:54am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/community-october-27/601044/54 "2011-10-30T00:54:08Z")
I think the latest episode is my least favorite of all. Troy and Abed are what kept it from being a complete disaster. ---
**Author:** ![Carmady](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/f04885/32.png) [@Carmady](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Carmady)\ **Post date:** [October 30, 2011, 4:11am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/community-october-27/601044/55 "2011-10-30T04:11:23Z")
> [@RealityChuck](#): > > Neither award is “popular” under the usual definition of the word… > > They also aren’t exactly what anyone on Earth considered “critical acclaim”: they are awards. I have to disagree on both points. Neither is as popular as, say, the Academy Awards, but when it comes to awards for television shows they are among the most popular. Secondly, the awards ostensibly exist to recognize, or acclaim, the best shows. That they do a bad job of it or are not professionals doesn’t change that fact. For someone who does not peruse the reviews of professional television critics, the Emmys are one of the more likely ways they are to decide what is critically acclaimed. > [@RealityChuck](#): > > But “popular critical acclaim” is a nonsense term Luckily there is plenty of context in this thread to figure it out, beginning with its introduction: > [@SenorBeef](#): > > It doesn’t get popular critical acclaim either - no emmy noms ever. I have no idea why this show gets no buzz. Reading between the lines, one might say that “popular critical acclaim” distinguishes well-known (popular) sources of “critical acclaim” like the Emmys or Golden Globes from lesser-known sources like what Daynah Burnett said on [PopMatters.com](http://PopMatters.com). I don’t even watch the Emmys, but I have been recommended Modern Family, and told that it won the Emmy. There is a certain amount of buzz generated by that, and up to now Community has been left out. ---
**Author:** ![Kylede](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/a6a055/32.png) [@Kylede](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kylede)\ **Post date:** [October 30, 2011, 8:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/community-october-27/601044/56 "2011-10-30T20:36:20Z")
> [@cmyk](#): > > 8 seasons and a movie! > [@singular1](#): > > I’m pretty sure it’s six seasons and a movie… Really…by saying that you are gonna britta it!!! ---
**Author:** ![AlsoNamedBort](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/alsonamedbort/32/3213_2.png) [@AlsoNamedBort](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AlsoNamedBort)\ **Post date:** [October 30, 2011, 9:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/community-october-27/601044/57 "2011-10-30T21:01:23Z")
> [@Kylede](#): > > Really…by saying that you are gonna britta it!!! You mean screw up in a tiny insignificant way? ---
**Author:** ![Ibn\_Warraq](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/e19b73/32.png) [@Ibn\_Warraq](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ibn_Warraq)\ **Post date:** [October 30, 2011, 9:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/community-october-27/601044/58 "2011-10-30T21:34:57Z")
I don’t think it’s fair to say that being snubbed by the Emmys means it didn’t receive critical acclaim. Friday Night Lights and it’s actors were loved by critics but until the final season, were completely shut out of the Emmys. The same was true of Battlestar Galactica except that it got shut out even in it’s final season. ---
**Author:** ![Death\_of\_Rats](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/a6a055/32.png) [@Death\_of\_Rats](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Death_of_Rats)\ **Post date:** [October 30, 2011, 9:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/community-october-27/601044/59 "2011-10-30T21:51:07Z")
> [@Kylede](#): > > Really…by saying that you are gonna britta it!!! Wow! You Britta-ed Britta-ing. Way to pull an Abed. 😃 ---
**Author:** ![Carmady](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/f04885/32.png) [@Carmady](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Carmady)\ **Post date:** [October 30, 2011, 9:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/community-october-27/601044/60 "2011-10-30T21:53:15Z")
> [@Ibn\_Warraq](#): > > I don’t think it’s fair to say that being snubbed by the Emmys means it didn’t receive critical acclaim. I totally agree, and I don’t think anyone meant to say that it doesn’t receive critical acclaim. It just hasn’t, for the most part, received the kind of “popular critical acclaim” (if you will) that creates buzz. Imprecise language is one of my flaws. When I took the SAT I painstakingly attempted to use proper grammar, write coherently, and respond to the prompt. But when I finished, the only thing on my page was a crude drawing of a clown. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/community-october-27/601044.md?page=2) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/community-october-27/601044.md?page=4)