# Compare pictures from Holocaust with Gaza-pictures in a mail ? **URL:** \ **Category:** Great Debates\ **Created:** [January 21, 2009, 2:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/compare-pictures-from-holocaust-with-gaza-pictures-in-a-mail/482298 "2009-01-21T14:34:00Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 4
**Author:** ![Whack-a-Mole](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/whack-a-mole/32/141_2.png) [@Whack-a-Mole](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Whack-a-Mole)\ **Post date:** [January 21, 2009, 8:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/compare-pictures-from-holocaust-with-gaza-pictures-in-a-mail/482298/61 "2009-01-21T20:07:54Z")
> [@Wildfire\_MM](#): > > Republican politican _Pat Buchanan_ calls Gaza a Concentration Camp in a TV-interview > > [Patrick J. Buchanan – Official Website – Pat Buchanan – Right From the Beginning](http://buchanan.org/blog/2009/01/video-buchanan-gaza-is-an-israeli-concentration-camp/) A concentration camp is not a death camp. And even “concentration” camp overstates the facts. A concentration camp, I think, presumes no one there is allowed to leave (such as the American concentration camps that interred Japanese during WWII). Essentially it is a prison. The people in Gaza are free to come and go. Well, they would be if anyone else will let them come but few will. As noted Egypt has its shared border with them closed despite presumably being in solidarity with the Palestinian’s plight. But of course, again as noted, that is somehow Israel’s fault. :rolleyes: But if other countries allowed them then the Palestinians could come and go. The Israelis are not forbidding them that. Just forbidding them entry into Israel for the most part. ---
**Author:** ![Wildfire\_MM](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/f08c70/32.png) [@Wildfire\_MM](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Wildfire_MM)\ **Post date:** [January 21, 2009, 8:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/compare-pictures-from-holocaust-with-gaza-pictures-in-a-mail/482298/62 "2009-01-21T20:09:59Z")
> [@Whack-a-Mole](#): > > A concentration camp is not a death camp. And even “concentration” camp overstates the facts. A concentration camp, I think, presumes no one there is allowed to leave (such as the American concentration camps that interred Japanese during WWII). Essentially it is a prison. > > The people in Gaza are free to come and go. Well, they would be if anyone else will let them come but few will. As noted Egypt has its shared border with them closed despite presumably being in solidarity with the Palestinian’s plight. But of course, again as noted, that is somehow Israel’s fault. :rolleyes: > > But if other countries allowed them then the Palestinians could come and go. The Israelis are not forbidding them that. Just forbidding them entry into Israel for the most part. I see you have extremely good knowledge of the situation in Gaza ---
**Author:** ![Zeriel](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/z/58956e/32.png) [@Zeriel](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Zeriel)\ **Post date:** [January 21, 2009, 8:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/compare-pictures-from-holocaust-with-gaza-pictures-in-a-mail/482298/63 "2009-01-21T20:11:50Z")
I’m calling the internment camps we put the Japanese in during WWII concentration camps as well. They were, in the original sense of the word–which was used to describe the British camps where Boers were incarcerated in the Boer War. The Nazis were the ones who innovated turning concentration camps into death camps. One can also condemn the Serbs and others for following their example. Israel is not engaging in any systematic killing of Palestinians for genocidal purposes. How do I know this? Because all of Gaza is much less than 200 square miles, and Israel could certainly buy enough thermobaric weapons to scorch the entire place to uselessness for a fraction of their military budget. Israel’s actions, while not ideal, are consistent with an overall objective of ending weapon attacks and border jumping by the Palestinians. While they do show an occasionally appalling lack of consideration for collateral damage, they are nonetheless NOT consistent with an Israeli intent to commit genocide or expand their borders in any meaningful way. ---
**Author:** ![Cervaise](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cervaise/32/16693_2.png) [@Cervaise](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cervaise)\ **Post date:** [January 21, 2009, 8:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/compare-pictures-from-holocaust-with-gaza-pictures-in-a-mail/482298/64 "2009-01-21T20:18:40Z")
> [@yojimbo](#): > > The comparison is stupid, ignorant and only helps divert the agument. > > The Israeli’s have acted disgracefully in this affair. They may be guilty of war crimes. That is all up for debate. > > They are not the 3rd Reich though and any comparison just shows up the person making it to be beyond rational argument. This. Attempts to establish equivalence are not only not helpful, they are seriously counterproductive. ---
**Author:** ![msmith537](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/d9b06d/32.png) [@msmith537](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/msmith537)\ **Post date:** [January 21, 2009, 8:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/compare-pictures-from-holocaust-with-gaza-pictures-in-a-mail/482298/65 "2009-01-21T20:20:01Z")
> [@EasyPhil](#): > > Fortunately one cannot produce pictures of dead american children in an armed conflict or of soldiers pointing automatic weapons at american children. > > I’m not sure if this is a good thing or a bad thing. How about [this(1)](http://www.prato.linux.it/~lmasetti/canzonicontrolaguerra/img/categorie/Kent_State_massacre.jpg) and [this(2)](http://www.flickr.com/photos/7552532@N07/3111402839/)? 1. Kent State, circa Vietnam War - Protesting students killed by National Guardsmen. 2. 1992 LA Riots - LAPD arrest two suspected rioters. ---
**Author:** ![Whack-a-Mole](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/whack-a-mole/32/141_2.png) [@Whack-a-Mole](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Whack-a-Mole)\ **Post date:** [January 21, 2009, 8:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/compare-pictures-from-holocaust-with-gaza-pictures-in-a-mail/482298/66 "2009-01-21T20:21:20Z")
> [@Wildfire\_MM](#): > > I see you have extremely good knowledge of the situation in Gaza How many concentration camps can you name which has its own police force, its own coast guard and its own national security force? ---
**Author:** ![XT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/xt/32/456_2.png) [@XT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/XT)\ **Post date:** [January 21, 2009, 8:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/compare-pictures-from-holocaust-with-gaza-pictures-in-a-mail/482298/67 "2009-01-21T20:22:35Z")
And there is the whole launching rockets thingy. Usually not looked on favorably by those running the concentration camps… ETA: But, you know, if Pat Buchanan (in italics!) says it, it’s got to be true! I mean, if you can’t trust Pat Buchanan (in italics!) who CAN you trust?? -XT ---
**Author:** ![Zeriel](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/z/58956e/32.png) [@Zeriel](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Zeriel)\ **Post date:** [January 21, 2009, 8:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/compare-pictures-from-holocaust-with-gaza-pictures-in-a-mail/482298/68 "2009-01-21T20:26:13Z")
> [@msmith537](#): > > How about [this(1)](http://www.prato.linux.it/~lmasetti/canzonicontrolaguerra/img/categorie/Kent_State_massacre.jpg) and [this(2)](http://www.flickr.com/photos/7552532@N07/3111402839/)? > > 1. Kent State, circa Vietnam War - Protesting students killed by National Guardsmen. > 2. 1992 LA Riots - LAPD arrest two suspected rioters. Technically that doesn’t meet the criteria, as Kent State wasn’t in the midst of armed conflict as generally understood, and the LAPD aren’t soldiers (and that looks more like a pump shotgun than an automatic weapon). ---
**Author:** ![brazil84](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/8491ac/32.png) [@brazil84](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/brazil84)\ **Post date:** [January 21, 2009, 8:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/compare-pictures-from-holocaust-with-gaza-pictures-in-a-mail/482298/69 "2009-01-21T20:36:56Z")
Here are some pictures which are apparently recent pics of activist Lauren Booth in Gaza: [http://www.pi-news.net/2009/01/israel-laesst-gaza-hungern/](http://www.pi-news.net/2009/01/israel-laesst-gaza-hungern/) Note her shopping in a store with full shelves and food stacked out on the street. Oh, but it seems the store takes Mastercard . . . and not American Express. Did the food shops at Bergen Belsen take credit cards? ---
**Author:** ![Wildfire\_MM](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/f08c70/32.png) [@Wildfire\_MM](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Wildfire_MM)\ **Post date:** [January 21, 2009, 8:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/compare-pictures-from-holocaust-with-gaza-pictures-in-a-mail/482298/70 "2009-01-21T20:51:11Z")
> [@brazil84](#): > > Here are some pictures which are apparently recent pics of activist Lauren Booth in Gaza: > > [http://www.pi-news.net/2009/01/israel-laesst-gaza-hungern/](http://www.pi-news.net/2009/01/israel-laesst-gaza-hungern/) > > Note her shopping in a store with full shelves and food stacked out on the street. Oh, but it seems the store takes Mastercard . . . and not American Express. > > Did the food shops at Bergen Belsen take credit cards? I’m temped to give this answer: Haarets: (19. January) [http://haaretz.com/hasen/spages/1056648.html](http://haaretz.com/hasen/spages/1056648.html) > [@](#): > > Israel recruits ‘army of bloggers’ to combat anti-Zionist Web sites > > The Immigrant Absorption Ministry announced on Sunday it was setting up an “army of bloggers,” to be made up of Israelis who speak a second language, to represent Israel in “anti-Zionist blogs” in English, French, Spanish and German. The Guardian: Friday 9 January 2009 > **[Richard Silverstein: The Israeli foreign ministry itself is asking volunteers...](https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2009/jan/09/israel-foreign-ministry-media)** > > Richard Silverstein: With Israel's foreign ministry organising volunteers to flood news websites with pro-Israeli comments, Propaganda 2.0 is here > [@](#): > > Hasbara spam alert - With Israel’s foreign ministry organising volunteers to flood news websites with pro-Israeli comments, Propaganda 2.0 is here. > > My friend did so and received this official communique from the ministry with talking points about Operation Cast Lead which s/he was to use in her/his propaganda efforts. Among the links was was a Peter Beaumont Cif piece. The following were identified as “target sites”: the Times, the Guardian, Sky News, BBC, Yahoo!News, Huffington Post, and the Dutch Telegraaf. Also targeted were other media sites in Dutch, Spanish, German and French considered critical of the invasion. ---
**Author:** ![Lemur866](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lemur866/32/434_2.png) [@Lemur866](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lemur866)\ **Post date:** [January 21, 2009, 8:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/compare-pictures-from-holocaust-with-gaza-pictures-in-a-mail/482298/71 "2009-01-21T20:56:58Z")
> [@Wildfire\_MM](#): > > Republican politican _Pat Buchanan_ calls Gaza a Concentration Camp in a TV-interview > > [Patrick J. Buchanan – Official Website – Pat Buchanan – Right From the Beginning](http://buchanan.org/blog/2009/01/video-buchanan-gaza-is-an-israeli-concentration-camp/) You mean former Republican politician Pat Buchanan. > **[Pat Buchanan](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pat_buchanan#Accusations_of_Anti-Semitism)** > > Patrick Joseph Buchanan (/bjuːˈkænən/ bew-KAN-ən; born November 2, 1938) is an American author, political commentator, and politician. He was an assistant and special consultant to U.S. presidents Richard Nixon, Gerald Ford, and Ronald Reagan. He is an influential figure in the modern paleoconservative movement in the United States. > In 1992 and 1996, Buchanan sought the Republican presidential nomination. In 1992, he ran against incumbent president George H. W. Bush, campaigning against Bush'... ---
**Author:** ![Whack-a-Mole](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/whack-a-mole/32/141_2.png) [@Whack-a-Mole](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Whack-a-Mole)\ **Post date:** [January 21, 2009, 8:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/compare-pictures-from-holocaust-with-gaza-pictures-in-a-mail/482298/72 "2009-01-21T20:59:13Z")
> [@Wildfire\_MM](#): > > I’m temped to give this answer: > > Haarets: (19. January) > [http://haaretz.com/hasen/spages/1056648.html](http://haaretz.com/hasen/spages/1056648.html) > The Guardian: Friday 9 January 2009 > [Hasbara spam alert | Richard Silverstein | The Guardian](http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2009/jan/09/israel-foreign-ministry-media) And? Everyone these days plays the media game and tries to spin it to their viewpoint. Palestinians were winning this last round. If what you posted is true I do not find it surprising in the least. So, even if what you were responding to was placed there by an Israeli plant, are you saying that in fact there are no food stores that are well stocked and take credit cards in the concentration camp that is Gaza? ---
**Author:** ![XT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/xt/32/456_2.png) [@XT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/XT)\ **Post date:** [January 21, 2009, 9:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/compare-pictures-from-holocaust-with-gaza-pictures-in-a-mail/482298/73 "2009-01-21T21:02:59Z")
[QUOTE=Wildfire\*\*MM] I’m temped to give this answer: [/QUOTE] I see the temptation was too, ah, tempting, for you to resist, ehe? 😛 This is pure comedy gold. The thing is…how does any of this help your own case or what you are projecting in your OP? The fact that Israel may or may not be using a supposed Army of Bloggers™ really has no bearing on your assertion that the situation between Gaza and Nazi Germany is in any way comparable. -XT ---
**Author:** ![newcomer](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/e5b9ba/32.png) [@newcomer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/newcomer)\ **Post date:** [January 21, 2009, 9:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/compare-pictures-from-holocaust-with-gaza-pictures-in-a-mail/482298/74 "2009-01-21T21:09:09Z")
> [@Zeriel](#): > > Israel’s actions, while not ideal, are consistent with an overall objective of ending weapon attacks and border jumping by the Palestinians. While they do show an occasionally appalling lack of consideration for collateral damage, they are nonetheless NOT consistent with an Israeli intent to commit genocide or expand their borders in any meaningful way. You know, when Serbian Army forces overrun Srebrenica (if you have to Google it - then you fit the mold) and killed males between 16 and 60 their defence against genocide charge was that if they really intented to commit genocide they would not left females alive. Raped yes, but still alive. Court agreed. With pretty much similar langauge as above. It’s funny how every new generation finds new levels of subtlety. ---
**Author:** ![brazil84](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/8491ac/32.png) [@brazil84](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/brazil84)\ **Post date:** [January 21, 2009, 9:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/compare-pictures-from-holocaust-with-gaza-pictures-in-a-mail/482298/75 "2009-01-21T21:17:21Z")
> [@Wildfire\_MM](#): > > I’m temped to give this answer: I have no idea what your point is. The pictures I linked to were no doubt posted for purposes of advocacy, just like the pictures you linked to in the OP. > [@Whack-a-mole](#): > > So, even if what you were responding to was placed there by an Israeli plant, are you saying that in fact there are no food stores that are well stocked and take credit cards in the concentration camp that is Gaza? I think this is a good question. I would like an answer too. ---
**Author:** ![mks57](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/b9bd4f/32.png) [@mks57](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/mks57)\ **Post date:** [January 21, 2009, 9:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/compare-pictures-from-holocaust-with-gaza-pictures-in-a-mail/482298/76 "2009-01-21T21:26:06Z")
Pat Buchanan? Who never met a Nazi that he didn’t like? ---
**Author:** ![FinnAgain](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/finnagain/32/12500_2.png) [@FinnAgain](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FinnAgain)\ **Post date:** [January 21, 2009, 9:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/compare-pictures-from-holocaust-with-gaza-pictures-in-a-mail/482298/77 "2009-01-21T21:26:34Z")
> [@xtisme](#): > > The fact that Israel may or may not be using a supposed Army of Bloggers™ really has no bearing on your assertion that the situation between Gaza and Nazi Germany is in any way comparable. Pfffft. Shows what you know. Hitler fucking _loved_ facebook. Goering founded LiveJournal. The blogosphere was, in fact, originally built from human skin. Although then it was more of a human-skin-baloon-osphere that Nazis wrote emo poetry on and then, after filling it with a fresh dose of helium, sailed it over to the next town. True story. Need I point out that Israelis were instrumental in the development of Instant Messenging? I thought not. ---
**Author:** ![XT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/xt/32/456_2.png) [@XT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/XT)\ **Post date:** [January 21, 2009, 9:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/compare-pictures-from-holocaust-with-gaza-pictures-in-a-mail/482298/78 "2009-01-21T21:28:02Z")
I thought they created instant messiahing… -XT ---
**Author:** ![FinnAgain](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/finnagain/32/12500_2.png) [@FinnAgain](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FinnAgain)\ **Post date:** [January 21, 2009, 9:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/compare-pictures-from-holocaust-with-gaza-pictures-in-a-mail/482298/79 "2009-01-21T21:29:43Z")
Instant messiahing? Naw, tech support for that is horrible. They’re _still_ waiting. ---
**Author:** ![puppygod](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/ce7236/32.png) [@puppygod](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/puppygod)\ **Post date:** [January 21, 2009, 9:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/compare-pictures-from-holocaust-with-gaza-pictures-in-a-mail/482298/80 "2009-01-21T21:32:47Z")
> [@newcomer](#): > > You know, when Serbian Army forces overrun Srebrenica (if you have to Google it - then you fit the mold) and killed males between 16 and 60 their defence against genocide charge was that if they really intented to commit genocide they would not left females alive. Raped yes, but still alive. Court agreed. With pretty much similar langauge as above. It’s funny how every new generation finds new levels of subtlety. It’s sad story, but how is it related to OP? Unless you have cite giving example of Israeli rounding up Palestinians between 16 and 60 and killing them up. Also, I’d like to note that at least some of killers from Srebrenica were found guilty of genocide. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/compare-pictures-from-holocaust-with-gaza-pictures-in-a-mail/482298.md?page=3) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/compare-pictures-from-holocaust-with-gaza-pictures-in-a-mail/482298.md?page=5)