This isn’t another thread where the joke was mentioned (and I think that’s what he was asking about). It’s a discussion of moderation of those jokes. But regardless, I’m happy to instruct Starving Artist to stop using ATMB threads to make his arguments over and over because this is not the right place to do so. You’ve been mod-noted about that a few times, Starving Artist, and it’s time for it to sink in.
Speaking as someone who hasn’t read the pit thread, it is not at all clear what the issue is. Can you explain very briefly
- what the original paper towel remark was all about
- why it is bad to refer to it
- the difference between this, and cracks about Hal Briston/ sheep.
- Why no action for Loach’s post below. It’s not that I think you should warn him. Far from it, it’s perfectly harmless. I just don’t see the difference.
I would like to mention that I think handing out Moderator Warnings for clearly not reading, but still responding to, a 10 post thread should become far more common.
All three of these points were explained upthread.
This isn’t GQ and I didn’t see the need.
See post 4 and post 20 of this thread.
I had some of the same questions but if you follow 4 & 20 you should get the gist of it.
Really? I must have missed the explanation. I only saw the posts where Colibri dodged the question, as I quoted.
Perhaps you could show me where they were answered. You don’t need to write any answer for me, just hit the quote button on the post where it’s already been answered. Simple.
And like I said, I am willing to accept the warning based on not seeing the mod warning since that is my fault. The reason of starting this thread was to see if I’m missing something here.
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The original instruction was ridiculous since Colibri is assuming ludovic and myself were making a jab at another poster. I was not.
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The fact that “paper roll tube” is now a meme on SD and is not necessarily directly linked to the vitriol thrown SA’s way in the Penn State thread is not recognized by the mods. If ludovic had talked about a “stupid” thought experiment or I asked about a lid of pot “along with SA’s dick” then clearly there is negativity directed at SA and it should be handled accordingly.
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It all seems rather arbitrary. I pointed out in my OP that a liberal poster used “Regards,” then their name in a rather leftwing post. It was clearly a mocking of Shodan but no mod even noted it.
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What exactly are the parameters here? For example, a thread was started asking how to get women in the mood. If I had said, “First of all, get a paper towel tube …” is that warnable? If I said, “Women love when men are not typical men. Clean up after yourself and don’t leave an empty paper towel tube around.” is that ok? If I said, “Women love when men are not typical men. Clean up after yourself and I leave it to you to decide what to do with the paper towel tube.” is that ok?
I admit I don’t get it either. I mean, I get the reference - just not why it’s so verboten. Is it any different than poking fun at Snowboarder Bo’s catchphrase, or “Regards” or any other of dozens of various board meme’s that sprung up organically in some thread or another?
If the issue is that SA keeps popping up to defend himself from these harmless memes, warn him or ban him. That’s on him.
Here’s the thing though, Marley. Two things, actually.
- In post 16, Colibri, in response to a poster who’d made reference to my not being able to defend myself, said “Who said anything about the warning [to Saint Cad] being because they couldn’t defend themselves? In fact, making the remark could have provided the grounds for a hijack if Starving Artist had come in to defend himself.”
This sounded to me at the time as though Colibri was not of the opinion that I couldn’t defend myself, and that he appeared to be of the same mind I am in that for other posters to raise the subject first is where the hijack occurs, whereby I would then want to defend myself.
- There seems to be some confusion over whose mod instructions apply where. Colibri instructed me in this thread not to address further references to Paterno related comments, and to report them to GQ mods for action instead. I asked if that instruction applied to all forums and was told that it applied only to GQ.
This raises the question of whether his instruction also applies here in ATMB in general and the ATMB mods agree, or whether his instructions apply only in ATMB threads where he is the subject of the mod thread complaint. And it raised the question in my mind as to whether your previous statements to me applied only to the forums you moderate, or to the board in general - and if to the board in general, would Colibri, who seemed to me at the time to be okay with my defending myself, have been bound by your instructions to me not to do so?
Therefore it would be helpful to know when moderator instructions apply only to their specific forums or to all the board’s forums in general, and how I am to proceed in this case in forums other than GQ.
As I said earlier, it’s been a longstanding practice on the board not to allow insults or digs at a poster who’s been banned as he’s no longer around to defend himself. So it seems only fair and reasonable to me that other posters should not be allowed to make digs or insults at my expense regarding the Paterno issue anywhere outside the Pit thread since I’m not allowed to address or defend myself on it anywhere but there.
Having said all that, I will of course abide by whatever instructions I’m given and will try to post according to the rules of each forum and in accordance with its moderators’ rulings. It’s just that sometimes it’s hard to know whose instructions apply where.
I’ll tell you why. I had one warning for a political jab in GQ where I said Democrats are retarded. I knew it was against the rules and even in my post said that I knew I would get a warning for it.
Second one was
That was a screwup on my part thinking I was in GD and not GQ. I didn’t object but I did notice that Colibri said similar offenses before. I only knew of one infraction not multiple so why the plural?
I guess Colibri either decided two chances was enough or he thinks I’ve gotten a lot more chances than I actually did.
The issue is that SA has been told not to discuss it. To quote mtself…
“If he can’t address the topic then others shouldn’t be allowed to throw it in his face.”
Cite?
This I don’t get. Aren’t personal attacks verboten outside the pit? Are they not just as illegal in ATMB as they are in GQ? If a crack about paper towel tubes is an insult in one forum, then it must be an insult in any forum, right?
And let’s not forget this classic of what’s warnable and what’s not:
So apparently political jabs, religious jabs and racial slurs are immediately warnable but region-based jabs are just notable. So if you are a white Republican Protestant from Arizona, I get a warning in GQ if I equate being a racist lumping with groups such as:
all Anglo-Americans (but only if I use offensive epiteths such as white bread or gringo)
all Protestants
all Republicans/Conservatives
(now) all users of paper towel tubes
But only a note if I accuse all Arizonans of being racists
Part of the problem is that the paper towel tube meme, unlike those other board memes, doesn’t begin and end there. Inevitably someone wants to know what it means, so someone posts a link to the post in the Pit where I brought it up to begin with, and then the insults and digs, etc., start up anew.
I believe you, btw, Saint Cad, in that you meant no offense in the post that drew your warning. But in this case the paper towel tube thing just won’t work as a stand alone meme for the reasons I just mentioned. Frankly, even I can see the humor in it and I would be fine with me if it were brought up just for humorous effect, but the reality is that it invariably leads back to the original post and a new round of insults and character assassination that I’m forbidden to respond to.
You did, so reread the thread. The fact that you don’t want to bother to figure it out does not inspire me to go back through the thread and do it for you. If you don’t care enough to inform yourself, you’re free to not participate in this thread. I promise we’ll live.
I never characterized this as a personal attack. I did say it’s a joke at Starving Artist’s expense, which it usually is, and that it’s off-topic.
And I am giving you this instruction now: if we have to suffer through another one of these threads in ATMB, don’t start explaining your defense theory all over again. ATMB is not the forum for that. You can talk about it in the Pit or in other PSU threads where it is actually relevant and on-topic, but not here. Colibri was trying to stop you from contributing to thread hijacking, and I am attempting to remind you of the purpose of ATMB: it’s for questions and complaints about the rules, not elaborating on theories you’ve argued about in other threads.
Tell me which post number contains the answer to my questions. I promise I’ll read it.
Best and clearest answer to why “paper towel tube” is verboten and not just a simple SD meme. Maybe SA should be a mod if he can explain the reason for a policy so clearly and compassionately. <virtually offers to shake SA’s hand>
OK I’m good. SA . . . er Marley can lock up for the night.
No. That’s not remotely what I said. I don’t think he should be allowed to live it down - but I support the use of the appropriate forum for it. No goading outside the Pit.