And the primary function of doors is to keep people out, which is why they need to be closed.
The point isn’t whether one has engaged in a risky behavior by having sex or leaving one’s door open. The point is whether I should have less control over my body than my home.
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You can all keep arguing with me if you like, but I guarantee you that you will not change my mind, just as I will not change yours. I didn’t come into this thread to debate abortion, I came to point out that there is no possible way for a true compromise on this issue to EVER be reached.
Do you really not understand the concept that other people believe that a fetus is a human life? Here’s my hypothetical question. For the purpose of this hypothetical, let’s say that it is proven that life begins at conception (obviously this will never happen). Would your views on abortion change?
I can see and understand your point of view, that a fetus is not a life and you should therefore be allowed to remove it from YOUR body. Can you not see and understand my point of view?
–FCOD
I overstated the inaccuracy, I realize. The biggest gulf is that I don’t have any particular opinion about whether or not the fetus is alive, or a baby, or human, or sentient or any number of other labels. It’s a matter of complete indifference to me, so I decline to play the label game and am unmoved by efforts to describe the fetus as a pitiable victim.
Your views on abortion make sense based upon your beliefs. I am friends with several people that feel the same way.
–FCOD
KEYWORD here is “believe.” Same as in believe that GOD created the world in 7 days, and created Adam and Eve and from them came all of humanity. That kind of believe, right?
Yes, it wil.
Absolutely!! However, that is your POV with regards your own body. Make no laws regarding anyone else’ body.
Dude, step away from the keyboard. This type of argument is useless. I can’t even fathom how a woman could say that her child growing inside her is like a parasite, or a burglar entering your home. It is absurd beyond belief, and I won’t even engage in a discussion about it, and my advice would be that you shouldn’t either.
How is it *not *like those things, if it’s unwelcome?
I find your belief that every sperm is sacred equally absurd.
What do you feel would be an appropriate style or type of argument?
Yes, the kind of beliefs that we are all allowed to practice freely.
What will? It will be proven that life begins at conception or your views will change should that ever happen?
The personal dilemma that I face is that I do not want to force my religious beliefs on others, but at the same time how can I condone what I perceive to be murder? Similarly, your religious beliefs (or lack thereof) should not be forced onto others, but how can you condone what you perceive to be suppressing the rights of women?
And here we are again, back to the fundamental problem with this argument. Neither side can possible yield, and it is unlikely that the abortion issue will ever be resolved.
–FCOD
No, because I still wouldn’t believe that anybody, including a fetus, has the right to use my body without my permission for one second, nevermind nine months.
So, to clarify: you would be OK with participating in an act to create a human life and then destroying that life, for whatever personal reason? You understand that we’re talking about a human life (hypothetically), right?
–FCOD
Ummmm… Murder? Define Murder please.
murder: noun. 1) The crime of unlawfully killing a person especially with malice aforethought. What’s your point?
–FCOD
If I somehow did an experiment where another separate person was growing in a test tube, no. If that life was growing in my head and couldn’t survive on its own, yes.
I’m not talking about an experiment. I’m talking about a hypothetical situation in which you voluntarily have sex that results in you becoming pregnant. Nobody forced you to have sex and you are fully aware of the risk of pregnancy. In this hypothetical, we know that life begins at conception, so you are now carrying a human life in your womb as a direct result of your actions. Would you still have an abortion, even though you know you are killing a human that you created?
I remind everyone that this entire post is hypothetical.
–FCOD
A concept or fetus is NOT a person inside a womans womb.
According to my beliefs a human fetus is a person. According to your beliefs a fetus is not a person. Haven’t we already gone over this?
–FCOD
Even if I voluntarily created that life, it still doesn’t have the right to use my body without my permission. If your biological child needs a kidney, should you be forced to donate one of yours because you created that life?
Yes, we have and that is why I tried to end it by saying earlier that your belief is safe with you and mine ought to be safe with me. Legislate not to make your belief law and we will all remain friends. Deal?
No, and pregnant women should not be forced to undergo any medical procedures that might be necessary to save a fetus that has a problem.
–FCOD