Amateur! Bronson would have just used the rocket launcher.
“Do you believe in Jesus? Because you’re gonna meet him” :eek:
Review some of the offerings down the left side of this range. And there’s plenty more tactical training available. That’s what I’m talking about.
That happens to be an excellent range, by the way.
The local range does courses very similar to the ones on that webpage, though I’ve never taken one. I think my father-in-law and I will probably do that at some point. I have a really nice Browning Citori Plus that I shoot trap with, but that’s about the limit of my sport usage. I’m more of a plinker.
Yeeeaaahh? Did you catch the part where some of them turned the gun on themselves? What’s so interesting?
Good god, how much gun ya got there? I thought that sounded like a lot, so I looked it up. Thislooks like a helluva lotta gun and it’s 4.4 lbs. You wear that all the time? Do you need a special holster for that? That’s a lot of weight for a handgun, isn’t it? My purse doesn’t even way that much! 
Incidentally, I completely understand your “condition yellow” training. It’s the same type of situational awareness people who hike a lot learn and try to maintain. It’s what keeps you safe from critters and from getting lost or injured. Only it doesn’t apply to people as much as it does environmental awareness. I’m actually more comfortable with your attitude towards arming yourself than I am towards someone who says they can take down a thief pointing a gun at them faster than the thief can. It seems to me that understanding when deadly force is warranted and what the potential outcome of deadly force may be in every situation is also critical to public safety. I didn’t get the impression that you are a nervous CCW holder at all. I get the impression that your confidence in your awareness and ability to use your weapon cautiously, but effectively, does not dance across the line into hubris, which I, as a person not fond of guns, find quite unsettling.
You’re right, of course. All of the above.
First off, thank you. I appreciate that.
And to be honest, I pulled the 5lbs. out of my head–the P99 with a loaded magazine weighs about 2 pounds, and the magazine pouch with 2 extra magazines probably weighs about the same, so all told it’s 4 pounds, 2 on each hip.
Really, it’s not so much the weight as it is the having to remind myself not to get too close to walls or doors on either side.
He may be the one, I’m not sure. I think most of “his” bears were grizzlies, but it’s been quite a while (several years).
I suppose that it’s very remotely possible, but it’s also extremely rare for somebody to just vanish in a National Park. When it does happen, it’s usually due to a fall from a cliff into an obscured area. The remains are usually eventually found, sometimes skeletonized. Another way people disappear is swimming in alpine lakes. They don’t realize how cold lake water is at that altitude. They swim out into the middle of the lake, their muscles lock up, and they sink to the bottom. At one point during the 1980’s the single most common cause of death in Sequoia NP was AIDS. Terminal patients went up there to die, and sometimes hiked into the backcountry to do so. Again, their remains were usually recovered.
Washoe, I have some fond memories of visiting Sequoia NP and Kings Canyon NP one summer as a young girl. At one point, having driven for several hours and subjecting my parents to constant “I want to go swimming now,” Dad pulls over next to a gorgeous mountain lake and says, “Fine! Go swimming.” Jumping out of the camper with suit on excited beyond belief and sticking one toe in the water, I quickly determine this lake is too way cold to swim in. “Oh no,” says Dad, “I’ve been listening to you harp on me for hours and you *are *going swimming if I have to pick you up and toss you in myself.” Brrr! I’ve no doubt I shut the hell up on the way back to the campsite.
Anyway, the rangers there were fantastic. I even came home with some sort of deputy ranger patch. Way cool!
…which is probably why you feel the need to arm yourself. When everyone is armed, everyone is a threat.
Early Out, I’m amazed at your lack of understanding. That ‘condition yellow’ thing is how I live. I don’t walk around armed. I walk around in New York City. It’s not an entirely safe place, especially where I go, because I work in drug treatment. Because I am aware, I have not gotten into a conflict in several years, despite appearing like an easy mark.
Do you not drive in traffic? When you drive, do you not watch other drivers to see if they could merge into you, and keep an eye open for policemen with radar? I missed an accident by about four inches twice last Monday. Someone cut across three lanes at over 110 compared to traffic at 80, blew a tire passing on the breakdown lane, spun sideways across the traffic, missed my hood by said four inches, bounced off the guardrail, missed my trunk by said four inches. Because I keep aware of everything, I had places to go when a flying car went past me, and was able to dodge accurately. Sadly, the van behind me, not so aware.
Situational awareness saves your ass, armed or not. Pickpockets, street crossings… people drive the wrong way down one way streets. And I’m not just talking food delivery or bike messengers.
When nobody’s armed, everyone’s still a threat. Mr. Oblivious may be talking on his bluetooth and bump me into traffic… or in front of a subway, because he’s so much more important than I am.
Wisconsin has open carry. The legality of it has been confirmed by the State Attorney General, a couple of court cases, including in the State Supreme Court, and even by the otherwise anti-gun Governor. Nothing in State law that I can see would prohibit one from OCing in a national park.
Would you feel more comfortable around a person you knew for a fact was armed, or around one you weren’t sure of? Or doesn’t it matter and the overall idea of someone electing to have protection is what freaks you out?
Um, yeah, I gotta call B.S. on that.:rolleyes:
Yes, but less so. Sure, someone might cut me off in traffic. But that person is less of a threat to me than someone who might cut me off in traffic and/or shoot me.
When nobody’s armed, one major source of danger is eliminated.
Situational awareness? Well, of course - no one can survive if he wanders around blindly. But that’s not the same thing as sizing up every person who comes within 30 feet of you, and mentally “gauging… sight lines.”
There comes a point at which caution veers into paranoia. Someone who can’t leave the house without “packing heat” has a problem.
I’ve lived in a few places, New York, Fort Worth, Los Angeles, etc. Each had different gun laws. Some were seriously anti-gun, and some were more “free wheeling”. Somehow, the laws didn’t seem to make much difference, as far as I could tell, regarding crime.
Side comment to Early Out: The crazy SOB who you need to worry about, would be packing, no matter how harsh the law is. So how safe are you really?
What’s the practical advantage of concealed carry over open carry? (what a couple silly sounding terms ;))
I can guess at a couple advantages of open, but I don’t have a need for either, so I can’t know.
Peace,
mangeorge
Shrug. Maybe you need different guns for different outfits so they won’t clash? Or some rule about no white pearl handles after Labor Day? 
The First (the one that enables The Second) speaks to one’s right to not accept another’s interpretation of The Second, and to speak of that disbelief.
And “condition green” is actually where there is a low risk of trouble, but you are ready to move up to a higher level if your perception of the risk changes.
Concealing a larger framed handgun can be difficult, especially in hot weather when one is wearing less clothing.
Tactically, it is usually easier to draw an openly carried weapon than a concealed one. A pistol carried in a pocket is going to be harder to draw than one carried on a belt holster.
And then there is the deterrent factor. What mugger/rapist is going to screw with someone they can clearly see is armed and ready for business? They’re going to say the hell with it and pick a different victim.
Now, I just know someone is going to come in here and start blathering how the bad guy will target the open carrier just so they can steal the weapon. I’ve heard these arguments before. Not only is it an absurd notion that a crook would willingly go after someone they know for a fact is armed, ready to fight back, NOBODY has yet to show a single cite where this has ever happened. So, until I see a cite showing a case where someone was specifically targeted for a crime only because they were open carrying, such arguments and scenarios are without a shred of evidence.
In fact, the open carrier is much, much, MUCH more likely to have problems with regular folks asking stupid questions about his choice of carry, and police officers who think it’s their duty to harass law abiding people exercising their rights than they are to be a victim of someone trying to mug them for their gun!
We’re seeing the classic stance of “nothing could ever happen to me”.
Eight bear attacks in a national park were mentioned earlier. I’d bet they all wished they could have done something to stop them.
So, BrownEyed Girl, you were addressing me regarding the guy who thinks he can shoot the bad guy before he gets shot. I did mention in my previous post that action is quicker than reaction. And it’s not just something that sounds cool or gives us an excuse to carry.
Try the dollar bill drop test. Someone holds a dollar bill dangling between your thumb and forefinger spread a few inches apart. They drop it and you attempt to catch it. Never gonna happen. Even if the BG has his gun trained on you, you can still reach for what he thinks is your wallet and produce a gun and fire before he can react.
I do remain in condition yellow and try to avoid being cornered. But in the case I might be, then the above scenario is put into play. I’m not hoping for trouble, I’m just aware of my surroundings.
pkbites, I don’t know what the statistics are but it makes sense that if a BG enters a 7-11 to rob it, tactically he should walk up behind an open carrier and take him out first.
I don’t think I’d open carry if it was legal in Texas. The statistics might show it’s a rare occurrence, but I’d hate to be one of the rare dead.
Yeah. Actually, I was wondering what the opposite might be. I wonder what the advantage of concealment might be.
This being one of those stupid questions you mention.
Those two problems you mention would fade with as people became familiar with the practice. Of course, the rare gunfight might be a problem. We don’t know how it would be like in the big city.