# Concurrent No Hitters **URL:** \ **Category:** Factual Questions\ **Created:** [September 5, 2001, 5:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/concurrent-no-hitters/79896 "2001-09-05T17:39:20Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 16\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![tiny\_ham](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/a183cd/32.png) [@tiny\_ham](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/tiny_ham)\ **Post date:** [September 5, 2001, 5:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/concurrent-no-hitters/79896/1 "2001-09-05T17:39:20Z")
As I wept for poor li’l Mike Mussina the other night…so close and yet so far…I had to wonder, what is the longest that a game has featured BOTH pitchers throwing no hitters, or even perfect games? I mean, Mike Mussina was great the other night, but Cone also threw a hell of a game. So what’s the longest concurrent no hitter? jarbaby ---
**Author:** ![BobT](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/8e8cbc/32.png) [@BobT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BobT)\ **Post date:** [September 5, 2001, 5:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/concurrent-no-hitters/79896/2 "2001-09-05T17:47:12Z")
Fred Toney of Cincinnati and Hippo Vaughn of Chicago matched each other on no-hitters on May 2, 1917. Vaughn gave up an infield single in the top of the 10th to Jim Thorpe to allow the only run to score. Toney finished with a 10-inning no-hitter. On June 29, 1990 Dave Stewart of Oakland no-hit Toronto, while Fernando Valenzuela of Los Angeles no-hit St. Louis later in the evening. ---
**Author:** ![tiny\_ham](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/a183cd/32.png) [@tiny\_ham](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/tiny_ham)\ **Post date:** [September 5, 2001, 5:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/concurrent-no-hitters/79896/3 "2001-09-05T17:50:14Z")
Well…ok. But you could have done that a little faster. 😃 ---
**Author:** ![BobT](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/8e8cbc/32.png) [@BobT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BobT)\ **Post date:** [September 5, 2001, 5:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/concurrent-no-hitters/79896/4 "2001-09-05T17:51:51Z")
But the webpages I needed to see didn’t load fast enough. ☹ ---
**Author:** ![Sofa\_King](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/58956e/32.png) [@Sofa\_King](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sofa_King)\ **Post date:** [September 5, 2001, 5:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/concurrent-no-hitters/79896/5 "2001-09-05T17:58:01Z")
**BobT is the God of Sports Trivia**! Someday, there will be trivia questions about you, my friend. On a slightly different topic, Vida Blue, Glenn Abbott, Paul Lindblad, and Rollie Fingers of the A’s combined to produce a no-hitter against the Angels on [September 28th, 1975](http://cbs.sportsline.com/u/baseball/bol/chronology/1975SEPTEMBER.html#day28). ---
**Author:** ![Colibri](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/colibri/32/1841_2.png) [@Colibri](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Colibri)\ **Post date:** [September 5, 2001, 6:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/concurrent-no-hitters/79896/6 "2001-09-05T18:19:21Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by jarbabyj \* > \*\*As I wept for poor li’l Mike Mussina the other night…so close and yet so far… \*\* Of course the _worst_ hard luck pitcher has to be [Harvey Haddix](http://www.angelfire.com/fl/yrag/harveyhaddix.html), who pitched _twelve perfect innings_ for the Pirates on May 26, 1959, _ **and lost.** _ The hapless Bucs couldn’t score a run for him despite getting 12 hits. Poor Moose is indeed a hard luck guy. ERA = 3.40, record 14-11. Roger Clemens ERA = 3.48, record 18-1. At least the Yanks are doing better for him than the Orioles did last year. ---
**Author:** ![BobT](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/8e8cbc/32.png) [@BobT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BobT)\ **Post date:** [September 5, 2001, 6:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/concurrent-no-hitters/79896/7 "2001-09-05T18:20:35Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Sofa King \* > \*\ ***BobT is the God of Sports Trivia**! Someday, there will be trivia questions about you, my friend. > > On a slightly different topic, Vida Blue, Glenn Abbott, Paul Lindblad, and Rollie Fingers of the A’s combined to produce a no-hitter against the Angels on [September 28th, 1975](http://cbs.sportsline.com/u/baseball/bol/chronology/1975SEPTEMBER.html#day28). \*\* There are people who know may more than me. They just aren’t on this board. But I’m proud to be the Master of this Particular Domain. ---
**Author:** ![RickJay](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/bb73d2/32.png) [@RickJay](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RickJay)\ **Post date:** [September 5, 2001, 8:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/concurrent-no-hitters/79896/8 "2001-09-05T20:25:27Z")
Other no hitter coolness: - Johnny Vander Meer, of course, threw two no hitters in a row, in 1938. - Bobo Holloman was not only a rookie when he pitched his no-hitter; he was making his first major league start! - On Sept 17, 1969, Gaylord Perry of the Giants no-hit the Cardinals. The very next night, Ray Washburn of the Cardinals returned the favor, no-hitting the Giants. - The next year, THE SAME THING HAPPENED! On April 30, 1969, Jim Maloney of the Reds tossed a no-no against the Astros. The next day, Don Wilson of the Astros no-hit the Reds. - Rick Wise of the Phillies might well have played the greatest game of baseball a human being has ever played, on June 23, 1971. Not only did he no-hit the Reds, but he hit two home runs that day. ---
**Author:** ![ElvisL1ves](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/5daacb/32.png) [@ElvisL1ves](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ElvisL1ves)\ **Post date:** [September 5, 2001, 8:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/concurrent-no-hitters/79896/9 "2001-09-05T20:35:38Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Colibri \* > Of course the _worst_ hard luck pitcher has to be [Harvey Haddix](http://www.angelfire.com/fl/yrag/harveyhaddix.html), who pitched _twelve perfect innings_ for the Pirates on May 26, 1959, _ **and lost.** _ The hapless Bucs couldn’t score a run for him despite getting 12 hits. As if that weren’t enough, the BBWA changed the rules a couple of years ago so that Haddix doesn’t even get credit for a no-hitter. It’s outrageous that the utterly-useless Matt Young gets an entry in the Hall of Fame no-hitter display for his 4-0 loss, full of walks and wild pitches and errors, but somehow no actual hits, while Haddix gets bupkis for his 12 perfect innings because he gave up one in the 13th, even though it’s one of the most famous performances in the game’s history. Who’ll join me pounding the barricades over this grave injustice? Yeah, I didn’t think so. ---
**Author:** ![BobT](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/8e8cbc/32.png) [@BobT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BobT)\ **Post date:** [September 5, 2001, 8:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/concurrent-no-hitters/79896/10 "2001-09-05T20:44:19Z")
It wasn’t the BBWAA who changed the definition, it was MLB itself. And Matt Young doesn’t have credit for a no-hitter because he only pitched 8 innings. A no-hitter is only credited to someone who pitches a complete game of 9 innings or more with no hits allowed. Andy Hawkins of the Yankees also lost a no-hitter in which he pitched 8 innings. He lost 4-0 to the White Sox in 1990. The only pitcher who has gone through nine innings giving up no hits and losing was Ken Johnson of Houston back in the early 1960s. His own error lead to the only run scored in the game by Cincinnati. Steve Barber and Stu Miller combined on a no-hit loss for Baltimore. I believe that Barber walked at least 10 in the game. ---
**Author:** ![thermalribbon](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/2bfe46/32.png) [@thermalribbon](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/thermalribbon)\ **Post date:** [September 5, 2001, 9:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/concurrent-no-hitters/79896/11 "2001-09-05T21:31:39Z")
I was at a no-hitter a few years ago. Francisco Cordova pitched 9 innings of no-hit ball at home for the Pitt Pirates and after the bottom of the ninth, the game was still 0-0. Ricardo Rincon came in a pitched another inning of no-hit ball in the top of the 10th and then the Pirates scored in the bottom of the 10th. A memorable game, but I always felt bad for Cordova, pitching 9 no-hit innings and not even getting the win. ---
**Author:** ![Sofa\_King](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/58956e/32.png) [@Sofa\_King](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sofa_King)\ **Post date:** [September 6, 2001, 12:37am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/concurrent-no-hitters/79896/12 "2001-09-06T00:37:50Z")
…And then there’s Dock Ellis. I could have sworn Cecil did an article on him. ---
**Author:** ![The\_Big\_Cheese](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/8baadc/32.png) [@The\_Big\_Cheese](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Big_Cheese)\ **Post date:** [September 6, 2001, 12:47am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/concurrent-no-hitters/79896/13 "2001-09-06T00:47:12Z")
I don’t have a good recollection of this as you can see, but I will try. About 15-20 years ago, my dad and I turned on the tv and the White Sox pitcher was throwing a no-hitter and so was the oppsoing pitcher, I don’t even remember what team. One of them went about 8 innings the other lasted until the 7th. Double-no-hitter, it was real exciting, even though I’m NOT a White Sox fan. ---
**Author:** ![Colibri](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/colibri/32/1841_2.png) [@Colibri](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Colibri)\ **Post date:** [September 6, 2001, 1:53am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/concurrent-no-hitters/79896/14 "2001-09-06T01:53:30Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Sofa King \* > \*\*…And then there’s Dock Ellis. I could have sworn Cecil did an article on him. \*\* Dock Ellis, on pitching a no-hitter for the Pirates against the Padres while tripping on LSD (June 12, 1970): > [@](#): > > \*\* > "I can only remember bits and pieces of the game. I was psyched. I had a feeling of euphoria. > > I was zeroed in on the (catcher’s) glove, but I didn’t hit the glove too much. I remember hitting a couple of batters and the bases were loaded two or three times. > > The ball was small sometimes, the ball was large sometimes, sometimes I saw the catcher, sometimes I didn’t. Sometimes I tried to stare the hitter down and throw while I was looking at him. I chewed my gum until it turned to powder. They say I had about three to four fielding chances. I remember diving out of the way of a ball I thought was a line drive. I jumped, but the ball wasn’t hit hard and never reached me." \*\* The Pirates won the game, 2-0, although Ellis walked eight batters. ---
**Author:** ![ElvisL1ves](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/5daacb/32.png) [@ElvisL1ves](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ElvisL1ves)\ **Post date:** [September 6, 2001, 4:06am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/concurrent-no-hitters/79896/15 "2001-09-06T04:06:07Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by BobT \* > And Matt Young doesn’t have credit for a no-hitter because he only pitched 8 innings. I hate to differ, but I was just in Cooperstown a few weeks ago, and the display case with balls from all the no-hitters since 1940(?) does include Young’s performance, but not Haddix’s. It still ain’t right to screw ol’ Harvey. Re Dock Ellis: I remember listening to the 1971 game on the radio when he started out against the Reds by drilling Pete Rose, then Joe Morgan, then Bobby Tolan, then missed Johnny Bench’s head 4 times to force in a run, then threw 2 more at Tony Perez before Danny Murtaugh did the merciful thing. He later admitted to being under some chemical influence. ---
**Author:** ![BobT](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/8e8cbc/32.png) [@BobT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BobT)\ **Post date:** [September 6, 2001, 5:08am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/concurrent-no-hitters/79896/16 "2001-09-06T05:08:15Z")
The Hall of Fame may have a display with a ball from Matt Young’s 8-inning no-hit game, but if you get a reference source that lists so called “official” no-hitters, Young won’t be in there. Young threw his game in a doubleheader for Boston against Cleveland. In the other, Roger Clemens threw a 1 or 2-hitter and he won. It wasn’t a great day for Cleveland.