# Condoleezza Rice for VP with Romney? **URL:** \ **Category:** Politics & Elections\ **Created:** [May 13, 2012, 11:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/condoleezza-rice-for-vp-with-romney/621813 "2012-05-13T23:16:15Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 4
**Author:** ![tomndebb](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/b9e5f3/32.png) [@tomndebb](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/tomndebb)\ **Post date:** [May 15, 2012, 12:35am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/condoleezza-rice-for-vp-with-romney/621813/61 "2012-05-15T00:35:33Z")
> [@Shodan](#): > > Don’t be ridiculous; of course he was. if she ever decide to run they would call her a house nigger and a lesbian and a crook and anything else they can think of. SOP for the tolerant left. You are wrong, of course. Karl Rove works for your side in the excessively partisan battles in which you engage. ---
**Author:** ![waterj2](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/858c86/32.png) [@waterj2](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/waterj2)\ **Post date:** [May 15, 2012, 2:27am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/condoleezza-rice-for-vp-with-romney/621813/62 "2012-05-15T02:27:31Z")
Incidentally, why exactly does Condi have such a great reputation? During her tenure as National Security Advisor, the US slept on intelligence that Al Qaeda was planning an attack and started a war over nonexistent weapons of mass destruction. Was she in any way responsible for anything that wasn’t actually a colossal fuck up? ---
**Author:** ![Little\_Nemo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/little_nemo/32/3120_2.png) [@Little\_Nemo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Little_Nemo)\ **Post date:** [May 15, 2012, 3:04am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/condoleezza-rice-for-vp-with-romney/621813/63 "2012-05-15T03:04:04Z")
> [@Lobohan](#): > > You can’t actually believe that. Of course he can. And if you challenge him on the point, he’ll find some obscure leftie blog that did say those things ten years ago and claim that’s proof that “the left” is racist. And if you point out how many racist signs and t-shirts are visible at a Tea Party rally, he’ll turn around and tell you all those racists don’t represent the movement as a whole. ---
**Author:** ![BrainGlutton](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/82dd89/32.png) [@BrainGlutton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BrainGlutton)\ **Post date:** [May 15, 2012, 3:14am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/condoleezza-rice-for-vp-with-romney/621813/64 "2012-05-15T03:14:42Z")
> [@Little\_Nemo](#): > > And if you point out how many racist signs and t-shirts are visible at a Tea Party rally, he’ll turn around and tell you all those racists don’t represent the movement as a whole. [Yeh, one gets a lot of that.](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=650832) ---
**Author:** ![TonySinclair](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/49beb7/32.png) [@TonySinclair](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/TonySinclair)\ **Post date:** [May 15, 2012, 3:18am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/condoleezza-rice-for-vp-with-romney/621813/65 "2012-05-15T03:18:18Z")
> [@waterj2](#): > > Incidentally, why exactly does Condi have such a great reputation? During her tenure as National Security Advisor, the US slept on intelligence that Al Qaeda was planning an attack and started a war over nonexistent weapons of mass destruction. Was she in any way responsible for anything that wasn’t actually a colossal fuck up? "On the day the World Trade Center and Pentagon were attacked, national security adviser Condoleezza Rice reportedly was set to declare that the biggest threat to America was long-range missiles, not terrorism. "In a speech that was never delivered, Rice failed even to mention Al Qaeda, Osama Bin Laden or Islamic extremist groups, former U.S. officials told The Washington Post. “News of the scrapped speech appears to bolster charges by former counterterrorism boss Richard Clarke that the White House downgraded the importance of terrorism before Sept. 11, 2001, and was more interested in Iraq and the agenda of the previous Bush administration.” [http://articles.nydailynews.com/2004-04-01/news/18265821\_1\_security-adviser-condoleezza-rice-terrorism-white-house](http://articles.nydailynews.com/2004-04-01/news/18265821_1_security-adviser-condoleezza-rice-terrorism-white-house) ---
**Author:** ![Shodan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/9f8e36/32.png) [@Shodan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Shodan)\ **Post date:** [May 15, 2012, 12:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/condoleezza-rice-for-vp-with-romney/621813/66 "2012-05-15T12:24:28Z")
> [@Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](#): > > Indeed–it’s pretty much exhibit A for my claim that Republicans desperately want a beard. **Shodan** is using her as a beard in the hypothetical, declaring hypothetical Democrats willing to slur her in order to show how awful they are and to deflect attention from the real question, which is whether I’m right or **Marley** is re: Republican attitudes toward a gay candidate. It’s not hypothetical; it’s right there. If she’s a lesbian (there is no evidence of this) and the GOP hated lesbians, then why would she be as popular a choice for VP? > [@tomndebb](#): > > You are wrong, of course. No, I’m not. Rice has already been characterized as a house nigger and an Aunt Jemina and all the rest of it. I know you like to pretend that reality is other than you like, especially on matters of race, but that doesn’t change anything. Rice is a non-Democratic black; therefore, to the left she is a nigger. Regards, Shodan ---
**Author:** ![fumster](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/e9c0ed/32.png) [@fumster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/fumster)\ **Post date:** [May 15, 2012, 1:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/condoleezza-rice-for-vp-with-romney/621813/67 "2012-05-15T13:20:01Z")
> [@Shodan](#): > > It’s not hypothetical; it’s right there. If she’s a lesbian (there is no evidence of this) and the GOP hated lesbians, then why would she be as popular a choice for VP? > > No, I’m not. Rice has already been characterized as a house nigger and an Aunt Jemina and all the rest of it. I know you like to pretend that reality is other than you like, especially on matters of race, but that doesn’t change anything. > > Rice is a non-Democratic black; therefore, to the left she is a nigger. > > Regards, > Shodan You left off the “s” ---
**Author:** ![a35362](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/3da27b/32.png) [@a35362](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/a35362)\ **Post date:** [May 15, 2012, 2:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/condoleezza-rice-for-vp-with-romney/621813/68 "2012-05-15T14:08:22Z")
> [@Captain\_Amazing](#): > > …The Republicans got burned with Sarah Palin last time, partly because they focused on trying to pick a game changing, “interesting” candidate that would shake stuff up for the McCain campaign. So I think the message is going to be this year, “Look, you had four years of ‘celebrity’ Obama, and look what happened. But now the adults are in the room. We’re boring, but we know how to create jobs and get government off your back.” Well, in fairness, they didn’t really know what they were getting with Sarah Palin. She turned out to be a whole lot more interesting than they really wanted. ---
**Author:** ![Bryan\_Ekers](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bryan_ekers/32/183_2.png) [@Bryan\_Ekers](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bryan_Ekers)\ **Post date:** [May 15, 2012, 2:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/condoleezza-rice-for-vp-with-romney/621813/69 "2012-05-15T14:19:37Z")
I really _wanted_ to like Palin, I admit, until she started talking and that rapidly became impossible. ---
**Author:** ![Marley23](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/45deac/32.png) [@Marley23](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Marley23)\ **Post date:** [May 15, 2012, 2:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/condoleezza-rice-for-vp-with-romney/621813/70 "2012-05-15T14:37:29Z")
> [@Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](#): > > Indeed–it’s pretty much exhibit A for my claim that Republicans desperately want a beard. Only Republicans who think being seen as anti-gay is a bad thing, though. I don’t think that’s a majority, let alone enough to get a candidate nominated. > [@](#): > > To forestall the obvious, I think Democrats are too chickenshit, and also too hampered by homophobia (although to a much lesser degree), to nominate a gay candidate. The lack of candidates is also a problem. Openly gay politicians are becoming more prominent, but they need to work their way up the ladder. It may take a while for an openly gay candidate to get to a position of enough prominence to really get into this discussion, and by then even more people will find themselves comfortable with the idea. ---
**Author:** ![BrainGlutton](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/82dd89/32.png) [@BrainGlutton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BrainGlutton)\ **Post date:** [May 15, 2012, 2:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/condoleezza-rice-for-vp-with-romney/621813/71 "2012-05-15T14:46:10Z")
> [@Shodan](#): > > It’s not hypothetical; it’s right there. If she’s a lesbian (there is no evidence of this) and the GOP hated lesbians, then why would she be as popular a choice for VP? What makes you think she is popular as a choice for VP? This is just an idea pundits and messageboarders are batting around. ---
**Author:** ![Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/left_hand_of_dorkness/32/7156_2.png) [@Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Left_Hand_of_Dorkness)\ **Post date:** [May 15, 2012, 4:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/condoleezza-rice-for-vp-with-romney/621813/72 "2012-05-15T16:08:06Z")
> [@Shodan](#): > > It’s not hypothetical; it’s right there. If she’s a lesbian (there is no evidence of this) and the GOP hated lesbians, then why would she be as popular a choice for VP? Do you understand what I mean by “beard”? > [@](#): > > Rice is a non-Democratic black; therefore, to the left she is a nigger. Do you want to qualify “the left” a little more? If not–if we go by your usual all-pervasive ideas about the left–then I invite you to show her being called such a name by: The Washington Post The New York Times Any federally-elected Democrat CNN MSNBC Anyone else who may remotely be characterized as a member of the mainstream left. If instead you’d like to qualify your “the left” to mean “the lunatic hateful fringe of the left,” then I’ll concede the point and suggest that such qualifications would better appear in the original claim. ---
**Author:** ![Little\_Nemo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/little_nemo/32/3120_2.png) [@Little\_Nemo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Little_Nemo)\ **Post date:** [May 15, 2012, 4:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/condoleezza-rice-for-vp-with-romney/621813/73 "2012-05-15T16:18:26Z")
> [@fumster](#): > > You left off the “s” Condoleezza Rice is a non-Democratic sblack? ---
**Author:** ![Damuri\_Ajashi](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/898d66/32.png) [@Damuri\_Ajashi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Damuri_Ajashi)\ **Post date:** [May 15, 2012, 5:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/condoleezza-rice-for-vp-with-romney/621813/74 "2012-05-15T17:45:02Z")
> [@aceplace57](#): > > I can’t think of anyone with better credentials for VP. She’s so well respected and would be a huge asset for Romney. Condi was the only positive thing I ever saw in the Bush administration. > > The big question is… Can they pry her out of Stanford? Is she rested and ready to get back in the fray? > > [Why Condoleezza Rice could change everything for Romney | Fox News](http://www.foxnews.com/opinion/2012/05/01/why-condoleezza-rice-could-change-everything-for-romney/?intcmp=obnetwork) I don’t see how reminding people of George W. Bush helps a Republican win an election. They’ve been spending the last 4 years pretending that George bush wasn’t REALLY a Republican. ---
**Author:** ![Jas09](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/d07c76/32.png) [@Jas09](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jas09)\ **Post date:** [May 15, 2012, 6:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/condoleezza-rice-for-vp-with-romney/621813/75 "2012-05-15T18:06:33Z")
> [@Damuri\_Ajashi](#): > > I don’t see how reminding people of George W. Bush helps a Republican win an election. They’ve been spending the last 4 years pretending that George bush wasn’t REALLY a Republican. Hell, they’ve spent the last 4 years pretending George W. Bush wasn’t REALLY president… Is there a single policy issue on which Mitt Romney diverges from GWB? Maybe immigration reform? Although it doesn’t even really seem like he’s fully committed to his anti-immigration stance (Which, why would he be? Cheap labor!). ---
**Author:** ![BrainGlutton](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/82dd89/32.png) [@BrainGlutton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BrainGlutton)\ **Post date:** [May 15, 2012, 11:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/condoleezza-rice-for-vp-with-romney/621813/76 "2012-05-15T23:03:11Z")
> [@Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](#): > > If instead you’d like to qualify your “the left” to mean “the lunatic hateful fringe of the left,” then I’ll concede the point and suggest that such qualifications would better appear in the original claim. First, he would have to admit the left **includes** anything else. I don’t know if that’s emotionally possible for **Shodan.** ---
**Author:** ![Northern\_Piper](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/northern_piper/32/5304_2.png) [@Northern\_Piper](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Northern_Piper)\ **Post date:** [May 16, 2012, 1:01am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/condoleezza-rice-for-vp-with-romney/621813/77 "2012-05-16T01:01:44Z")
> [@Damuri\_Ajashi](#): > > They’ve been spending the last 4 years pretending that George bush wasn’t REALLY a Republican. Yeah, wasn’t he really a Whig or something? ---
**Author:** ![emcee2k](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/7bcc69/32.png) [@emcee2k](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/emcee2k)\ **Post date:** [May 16, 2012, 4:10am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/condoleezza-rice-for-vp-with-romney/621813/78 "2012-05-16T04:10:42Z")
> [@Marley23](#): > > Talking about her appearance is dumb. **BrainGlutton** wasn’t calling her a lesbian as a taunt, though… Still, he called her a lesbian. Which isn’t really an insult, but also doesn’t have any basis in fact, either. He clarified some in his next post, but it’s still a little disappointing to see “She’s a lesbian.” as the first sentence to the first reply in the thread. ---
**Author:** ![Marley23](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/45deac/32.png) [@Marley23](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Marley23)\ **Post date:** [May 16, 2012, 4:41am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/condoleezza-rice-for-vp-with-romney/621813/79 "2012-05-16T04:41:36Z")
Granted. Whatever her personal life is like, her connections to Bush are enough to keep her from getting nominated and I see no reason to think Romney would even consider her because I don’t think she addresses any areas he needs to shore up. I also don’t think she’s interested. This is just idle speculation by Juan Williams. ---
**Author:** ![Captain\_Amazing](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/6de8d8/32.png) [@Captain\_Amazing](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Captain_Amazing)\ **Post date:** [May 16, 2012, 5:37am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/condoleezza-rice-for-vp-with-romney/621813/80 "2012-05-16T05:37:25Z")
> [@Marley23](#): > > Talking about her appearance is dumb. **BrainGlutton** wasn’t calling her a lesbian as a taunt, though; he was saying she wouldn’t be offered the position because she’s a lesbian. It’s discouraging that he’d jump to that, though. There’s no evidence that she is one other than the assumption that so often is made that a woman in a position of power, especially an unmarried one, is a lesbian. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/condoleezza-rice-for-vp-with-romney/621813.md?page=3) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/condoleezza-rice-for-vp-with-romney/621813.md?page=5)