This administration’s criminal negligence (cite) since the earliest warnings of a cataclysmic viral event (cite) and their lying about it (cite) and censoring scientists (cite) invites the harshest criticism. Defending their response reduces your credibility greatly.
1 in 10,000? Can you give me that number in 9 11s?
CMC fnord!
I did not defend the response I simply said too much energy is being put into it that could be better spent else ware. Same thing is happening here. Politics don’t need to get mixed up in this.
I can’t get it to link but just a simple search on " do east Asians have resistance to the corvid virus?" will bring up plenty of sites.
You’ve said in this thread that those that are telling you your ideas are too aggressive and dangerous are politically motivated. Then when I ask why you can’t see how they can be scientifically motivated you tell me I’m twisting your words. You’ve said yourself, multiple times, the motivations are political. Where is the twist?
I will attempt to explain my feelings on this the best way I can. I primarily watch CNN and local news stations around Los Angeles, none of them conservative news shows. I have heard that even Fox news is bashing the president.
I have no problem with Bashing a president. Holding them accountable for whatever mistakes they may have made. But I am strongly convinced that the Media is so intent on bringing Trump down that they are putting the worst possible spin on everything they report. Ignoring valuable bits of information the public really needs to be more abreast of. When I state my views it is because I feel we should all state our views and if others share that view or a similar view they can speak up also. We don't need cites or expertise to form opinions. We gather all the information we can and simply form our own opinion.
This POTUS calls replaying his very words “bashing”. :smack:
Bashing is unwarranted criticism. Criticizing crime IS justified. It’s criminal negligence here - not “mistakes” - deliberate attacks and lies. Deliberate disregard for the health and safety of Americans. (See my previous cites.) The reality is likely worse than has been reported because without comprehensive testing we just can’t know. Excess deaths mount. The count isn’t in yet.
Criminals are held accountable by the justice system. Stay tuned.
Back to topic. You proposed an unethical and worthless experiment. WHY it’s unethical and worthless has been explained. That’s enough.
CNN and the local new stations aren’t here telling you the ideas you are offering are too aggressive and dangerous. The people telling you this are people with no motivation to get eyeballs on screens. It seems too bad you are so determined to make this political, where you are associating your perceived bias of the press with those of the people posting here, that you can’t see the arguments for what they really are. You dismiss those arguments with a waive of a hand because you are certain all they really want is to boot the current administration.
Googling “do east Asians have resistance to the covid virus?” comes up with 711,000 results, but google finds a lot of sites for anything (“do canadians have resistance to the covid virus?” comes up with 7,680,000 sites).
Could you let us know which one of the sites gave you confidence enough to post about it?
Having google hits is hardly an indication of trustworthiness. I just asked google is Martians are immune to Covid and got 53,000+ hits. That’s obviously wrong because everyone knows they are the ones who caused it.
More seriously:
This is clearly the most absurd statement I’ve read this week. Surely you have a site for such ignorance.
China was the country with the most cases until they implemented their various policies of strict quarantining, lock downs and shutting off cities. Taiwan and Hong Kong have done well because of isolation, quarantine and contact tracing. Singapore was doing well, but didn’t enforce enough isolation for returning overseas residents and started getting a greater number of infections. They have since started to better isolate.
The vast majority of cases in Taiwan have been Taiwanese becoming infected overseas and returning home, both before and after showing symptoms.
That was my point. Also the Martians have much to answer for.
“Unaffected” is obviously absurd, but there are lots of people who are talking about the infection & death rates being lower in Asia. Here are examples from Japan. Some think the BCG vaccine has something to do with it, others attribute it to social/lifestyle differences (less hand-shaking and hugging, more mask-wearing, taking off shoes at home, etc), but it may just be lack of testing in some countries (Japan), more effective contact tracing & more strict stay-at-home policies.
Yes, I should have made that clearer that I was agreeing with you.
There is a world of difference between lower rates and “largely unaffected”
As you point out there is a lot of speculation concerning why rates are lower in Asia, but the evidence is so overwhelming that the concept of “largely unaffected” is nuts. Perhaps into CT territory as the outbreak first occurred in China and then Korea was one of the first serious outbreaks and both managed to gain control by conventional methods – strict quarantines for China and massive testing for the latter.
No problem.
This is not the article I posted on but it is similar. The East Asian countries do seem to be showing lower mortality rates. I don’t think infection rates are even worth mentioning as testing is so sporadic.
I just want to thank you for the effort you go to to keep your posts science based.
CMC fnord!
Literally, the very last sentences of the article
Yes, with extensive googling you can find one doctor speculating wildly but this fails to support your claim that East Asians are “largely unaffected” by the virus.
Absurd.
When so little is known about something like this virus and people are looking for answers sometimes indicators are worth looking at in the short term. The east Asian countries do seem to have exceptionally low death rates. If I were to guess why my first guess would be lower obesity in the populations in general. New York has had extremely high death rates and they are still going up. They have a higher than average senior population and I would be curious as to how much obesity played into their higher death rates.
You should remember where you read that, so that you know not to believe anything else they say.
If we did an experiment were we tested to see if the sun rose in the east everyday, we could get enormous beneficial data if the sun didn’t rise. That experiment is also really cheap and easy and harmless. Another experiment I could do would be to shoot myself in the head. Enormous benefit was gained from that kind of experiment, but it’s already been done, and replicating it will not be of much value…
In other kinds of experiments, we consider how difficult and dangerous the experiment is, and likely we are to learn something, not just the benefit.
The experiment you suggest has already been done in an uncontrolled way, and we already know the result in general terms. In order to turn that into an experiment where the likely benefit is greater than the likely danger and cost, you are going to have to be much more specific about what you are trying to test, and how your test will demonstrate it.
(The “east asians are largely unaffected” idea doesn’t meet the minimum qualification, and not just because it’s rubbish. If you wanted to ‘test’ that idea again, this isn’t where you’d start)
Do you have an opinion piece from an Ethiopian “news” website to back either of those claims up?
I think not sir, I think not!
CMC fnord!