# Confederate Symbolism; Time to Stop Nursing Grievances and Relitigating Past **URL:** \ **Category:** Great Debates\ **Created:** [August 24, 2017, 2:27am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/confederate-symbolism-time-to-stop-nursing-grievances-and-relitigating-past/794513 "2017-08-24T02:27:15Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 7\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![JBGUSA](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/258eb7/32.png) [@JBGUSA](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JBGUSA)\ **Post date:** [August 24, 2017, 2:27am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/confederate-symbolism-time-to-stop-nursing-grievances-and-relitigating-past/794513/1 "2017-08-24T02:27:15Z")
The New York City subway system is facing the need for a major overhaul. Many local paper articles have discussed the problems and the finger pointing going into bringing the system up to snuff. The system in a sense is a victim of its own success. The city is gentrifying. Middle class, upper middle class and wealthy people go out at night and use the subway. The subways need upgrades to handle this new business. So, in the latest identity politics hysteria anything looking remotely like a Confederate symbol is subject to attack. We’re removing statues of Robert E. Lee. Someone notices a tile scheme (picture below) looking a bit like the Confederate battle flag. So what do we do? Program the removal of the “offensive” tile that had to have been installed a long time ago. And remember, NYC was never in the confederacy. See [MTA to Replace Times Square Subway Tiles That Look Like Confederate Flags](http://www.nbcnewyork.com/news/local/MTA-to-Replace-Times-Square-Subway-Tiles-Resemble-Confederate-Flags-441011533.html). I don’t think that historical symbols such as tiling or Robert E. Lee statues are holding back minorities from producing and earning on their merits. The culture of grievance has gone way too far. I think it’s way past time to stop relitigating a war that ended 162 years ago. [http://media.nbcnewyork.com/images/CJwri53WIAAejqy.jpg](http://media.nbcnewyork.com/images/CJwri53WIAAejqy.jpg) ---
**Author:** ![Stringbean](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/d6d6ee/32.png) [@Stringbean](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Stringbean)\ **Post date:** [August 24, 2017, 2:31am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/confederate-symbolism-time-to-stop-nursing-grievances-and-relitigating-past/794513/2 "2017-08-24T02:31:46Z")
Haven’t I seen this before? ---
**Author:** ![Chronos](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/chronos/32/134_2.png) [@Chronos](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chronos)\ **Post date:** [August 24, 2017, 2:34am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/confederate-symbolism-time-to-stop-nursing-grievances-and-relitigating-past/794513/3 "2017-08-24T02:34:45Z")
> [@](#): > > I think it’s way past time to stop relitigating a war that ended 162 years ago. So, you support removal of the statues, then? Because relitigating that war is precisely the reason for those statues’ existence. As for the tile patterns, they probably weren’t originally intended to resemble the flag of treason. But it’s perfectly reasonable for the New York subway company to decide that the resemblance is uncomfortable, and to voluntarily choose to remove them on that basis. Are you saying they’re not allowed to redecorate? ---
**Author:** ![running\_coach](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/running_coach/32/15836_2.png) [@running\_coach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/running_coach)\ **Post date:** [August 24, 2017, 2:35am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/confederate-symbolism-time-to-stop-nursing-grievances-and-relitigating-past/794513/4 "2017-08-24T02:35:06Z")
> [@Stringbean](#): > > Haven’t I seen this before? Sure have. [http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=833907](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=833907) Duplicate reported. ---
**Author:** ![The\_Other\_Waldo\_Pepper](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/the_other_waldo_pepper/32/12370_2.png) [@The\_Other\_Waldo\_Pepper](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Other_Waldo_Pepper)\ **Post date:** [August 24, 2017, 3:07am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/confederate-symbolism-time-to-stop-nursing-grievances-and-relitigating-past/794513/5 "2017-08-24T03:07:34Z")
Even weirder, he did the ‘off by ten years’ thing again. ---
**Author:** ![running\_coach](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/running_coach/32/15836_2.png) [@running\_coach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/running_coach)\ **Post date:** [August 24, 2017, 3:24am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/confederate-symbolism-time-to-stop-nursing-grievances-and-relitigating-past/794513/6 "2017-08-24T03:24:56Z")
> [@The\_Other\_Waldo\_Pepper](#): > > Even weirder, he did the ‘off by ten years’ thing again. It’s a copy/paste of the first thread with a couple of minor changes. ---
**Author:** ![Bone](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bone/32/407_2.png) [@Bone](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bone)\ **Post date:** [August 24, 2017, 3:33am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/confederate-symbolism-time-to-stop-nursing-grievances-and-relitigating-past/794513/7 "2017-08-24T03:33:37Z")
I’m closing this thread as a dupe of the one linked in post #4. JBGUSA - do not repost duplicate threads in a way that makes them look like spam. Not sure what you goal was with this, but it’s not appropriate. [/moderating]