I would think it would be enforced in places where they know your history. I remember recently a young lady in a public high school wanted access to the girls room because she was trans and the boys were teasing her mercilessly when she was forced to go to the boys bathroom. The school administrators generally have access to information on a trans student. They could decide to allow them to use the bathroom they request before. Now they are not allowed to make the decision from what I’m told.
Effectively yes in my experience. Gay bars and clubs don’t put in place bathroom police. No one bats an eye if a feminine looking person enters a men’s room or a masculine person enters a women’s room.
Gay bars aren’t always an even mix of genders some are largely cater to gay men while others may largely cater to gay women. The bathroom ‘rules’ work out more like many of the conventions I’ve attended in Europe. If the majority of attendees are male and the men’s room has a wait men will opt to use the women’s rooms as well. Same goes if the bar is largely women, they will overflow into the men’s room.
While gays and transgender people are allies there are areas where the populations disagree.
I feel that many transgender promote gender stereotypes and it makes this whole bathroom debate rather ridiculous. A transgender person using the ladies room is more likely to conform to female appearance standards, they will look like a women. Requiring them to use a bathroom appropriate to their birth gender means you may be forcing a female appearing person to use the men’s room.
A percentage of homosexual people actively toss gender stereotypes, if you see a masculine looking person in men’s clothing entering the ladies room there is a much better chance that person is a lesbian than a transgender person. They would in fact be going into the bathroom appropriate to their birth gender.
I’d prefer our society be much less defined by gender and am thus supportive of unisex bathrooms. Trying to decide who can use what bathroom is stupid.
Can we get rid of hot air hand dryers?
But let’s keep auto-flush toilets. I like those.
There, it’s settled then.
Second to auto-flush are the ones at the airport in the Virgin Islands. They have a foot pedal flush.
I don’t. I hate them.
There are two errors here, if we’re talking about NC HB2.
- You’re not violating the law if you go into the “wrong” bathroom. The law only requires government bodies to make their own rules about using the “right” bathroom; it contains no provisions directly requiring the use of the biological sex bathroom.
- School boards (and other government bodies) must “require every multiple occupancy bathroom or changing facility that is designated for student use to be designated for and used only by students based on their biological sex.” Biological sex is defined as “The physical condition of being male or female, which is stated on
a person’s birth certificate.” So if the birth certificate changes, that necessarily requires the person to use the other bathroom.
I totally agree the law is shit, both in intent and execution. I started this thread in GQ to learn what exactly the law’s implications were, and it helped me understand what a massive load it is in execution (I already knew it was hateful bullshit); it’s worth a read.
Much like gun laws, bathroom laws will not lower crime.
I disagree, because the important thing about trans people is that they are simply people with a medical condition, not some kind of exotic animal. Since they are human, they deserve to be treated with basic human dignity, and have as much right to pee in peace as anyone else. The idea that trans people should be forced to wear depends instead of being allowed to use public facilities is pretty insanely bigoted, even if someone frames it with hands-off language.
The need for the Negro Traveler’s Green Book was disgusting more than half a century ago, and we should be past the need for anything like it now, and should treat any need for such a thing as an affront, not some ‘let free market forces decide’ cop-out. (If you don’t know what I’m talking about, see below)
http://library.sc.edu/digital/collections/greenbook.html
http://www.autolife.umd.umich.edu/Race/R_Casestudy/Negro_motorist_green_bk.htm
Yes, people are usually allowed to use the bathroom at legally operated bars, it’s generally a requirement for them to keep their liquor and business licenses. Strictly ‘gay’ or ‘lesbian’ bars are fading out, and bars that target LGBT people often just have gender neutral bathrooms if they can do so.
Survey says: X
http://www.today.com/id/21246685/ns/today-today_news/t/bounced-bathroom-being-different/#.VyDYifkrLcs
I don’t care who uses what bathroom b/c bathrooms have stalls and nobody knows who anybody is or what they’re packing. However Locker rooms are different b/c you change cloths and take showers; and usually they are in open environments. My biggest concern is my daughter taking a shower after gym class and a transgender girl (biological boy) showers right next to her. I’m not comfortable with this situation and I’m sure my daughter wouldn’t be either. Why is no one discussing this part of the problem?
I, for one, don’t recall ever seeing anyone actually use the showers in my schools’ locker rooms.
What are you concerned about happening?
If you and your daughter are uncomfortable showering with other people of the same gender, then you need to talk to the school and get her an exemption from showering. I don’t see what this has to do with the poor trans girl who you want force to shower with the opposite gender, even if you don’t come out and say it.
I did, but the towel dance was strong and the showers were individual ones with curtains. Plus, most if not all of us were too busy getting through the process to see anything that wasn’t shoved in our faces.
Help me understand something: Isn’t this whole debate kind of like saying, “A person should get to identify their own race and choose whether they want to use the “White” or “Colored” drinking fountain” - shouldn’t the debate discuss also whether there should even be such separation to begin with?
Perhaps her daughter is uncomfortable showering next to someone with a penis, regardless of gender?
Then she should oppose the birth sex bathroom requirements as well, since that could result in her daughter sharing a shower with burly, penis-equipped transmen.
I don’t understand this. Doesn’t the birth sex bathroom requirement try to ensure that people with penises, regardless of gender, are not in the ladies room?