# Congratulations to the Nebraska legislature (mostly conservative Republicans) **URL:** \ **Category:** In My Humble Opinion\ **Created:** [May 28, 2015, 2:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/congratulations-to-the-nebraska-legislature-mostly-conservative-republicans/721044 "2015-05-28T14:17:42Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 16\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![Smapti](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/smapti/32/17938_2.png) [@Smapti](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Smapti)\ **Post date:** [May 28, 2015, 7:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/congratulations-to-the-nebraska-legislature-mostly-conservative-republicans/721044/21 "2015-05-28T19:16:49Z")
> [@ISiddiqui](#): > > A good number of Republicans who voted against the DP did so because of religious reasons. And their religion is wrong. > [@ElvisL1ves](#): > > my concern is about _us_. Then your concern is misguided. ---
**Author:** ![Procrustus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/procrustus/32/2994_2.png) [@Procrustus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Procrustus)\ **Post date:** [May 28, 2015, 7:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/congratulations-to-the-nebraska-legislature-mostly-conservative-republicans/721044/22 "2015-05-28T19:24:14Z")
> [@Smapti](#): > > And their religion is wrong. > Then your concern is misguided. I see how one can be a supporter of the death penalty. I see how one could be opposed. I do not, however, understand how one can state with certainty that the death penalty is objectively necessary and proper and all efforts to oppose it are “wrong.” You honestly can’t see that some may not agree with your underlying assumption that “some crimes are so bad we need to kill the guy?” ---
**Author:** ![Smapti](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/smapti/32/17938_2.png) [@Smapti](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Smapti)\ **Post date:** [May 28, 2015, 7:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/congratulations-to-the-nebraska-legislature-mostly-conservative-republicans/721044/23 "2015-05-28T19:32:04Z")
> [@Procrustus](#): > > You honestly can’t see that some may not agree with your underlying assumption that “some crimes are so bad we need to kill the guy?” I can acknowledge that some may have such beliefs. I cannot acknowledge that they have been arrived at rationally. ---
**Author:** ![ElvisL1ves](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/5daacb/32.png) [@ElvisL1ves](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ElvisL1ves)\ **Post date:** [May 28, 2015, 7:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/congratulations-to-the-nebraska-legislature-mostly-conservative-republicans/721044/24 "2015-05-28T19:34:59Z")
Nor can you say the same about your own, hmm? > [@](#): > > Then your concern is misguided. Eh? If \*we \*don’t care about us, who will? Some of us are not only the kind of people who can choose to kill, but the kind of people who can joke about it too. There’s still plenty of work to do. ---
**Author:** ![Smapti](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/smapti/32/17938_2.png) [@Smapti](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Smapti)\ **Post date:** [May 28, 2015, 7:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/congratulations-to-the-nebraska-legislature-mostly-conservative-republicans/721044/25 "2015-05-28T19:55:54Z")
> [@ElvisL1ves](#): > > Some of us are not only the kind of people who can choose to kill Those who choose not to kill tend to end up getting killed. ---
**Author:** ![chacoguy](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/50afbb/32.png) [@chacoguy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/chacoguy)\ **Post date:** [May 28, 2015, 8:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/congratulations-to-the-nebraska-legislature-mostly-conservative-republicans/721044/26 "2015-05-28T20:17:31Z")
> [@Smapti](#): > > Those who choose not to kill tend to end up getting killed. That is a stupid fucking statement. ---
**Author:** ![ElvisL1ves](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/5daacb/32.png) [@ElvisL1ves](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ElvisL1ves)\ **Post date:** [May 28, 2015, 8:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/congratulations-to-the-nebraska-legislature-mostly-conservative-republicans/721044/27 "2015-05-28T20:20:02Z")
> [@Smapti](#): > > Those who choose not to kill tend to end up getting killed. By whom, in this case? ---
**Author:** ![Procrustus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/procrustus/32/2994_2.png) [@Procrustus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Procrustus)\ **Post date:** [May 28, 2015, 8:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/congratulations-to-the-nebraska-legislature-mostly-conservative-republicans/721044/28 "2015-05-28T20:29:57Z")
> [@Smapti](#): > > Those who choose not to kill tend to end up getting killed. So, your opinion is fear based for than “justice” based? I thought earlier you were advocating that some people have done such terrible things that they “deserve” to die. ---
**Author:** ![lisiate](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/f05b48/32.png) [@lisiate](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/lisiate)\ **Post date:** [May 28, 2015, 9:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/congratulations-to-the-nebraska-legislature-mostly-conservative-republicans/721044/29 "2015-05-28T21:06:33Z")
> [@Smapti](#): > > There are some crimes so heinous that there exists no punishment other than death which the perpetrators thereof deserve and which we are capable of inflicting upon them. The OP himself mentions one such perpetrator. I can name others; Dzhokhar Tsarnaev, Ted Bundy, **Osama bin Laden** , Cameron Willingham, Adolf Eichmann. > > Were the criminal justice system so fundamentally flawed that it was incapable of honestly determining guilt and innocence, it would be a good reason to temporarily suspend capital punishment. This is not the case. How did I miss Osama bin Laden’s trial and sentencing? Or does helicoptering in, kicking the door down and shooting someone in the head in their bedroom count as due process these days? ---
**Author:** ![racepug](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/f1d935/32.png) [@racepug](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/racepug)\ **Post date:** [May 28, 2015, 9:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/congratulations-to-the-nebraska-legislature-mostly-conservative-republicans/721044/30 "2015-05-28T21:17:05Z")
The current governor of Washington state put a moratorium on executions a while back. The reason? The cost. He was shown information demonstrating that while keeping people in prison for decades costs taxpayers a LOT of $$$, putting people on death row costs even more. Hence the moratorium. Personally I’m kind of on the fence about “execute vs. lock in prison and throw away the key” but if the cost analysis shows that keeping criminals in prison costs us all less money then I’m all for it. ---
**Author:** ![bobot](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bobot/32/21622_2.png) [@bobot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bobot)\ **Post date:** [May 28, 2015, 9:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/congratulations-to-the-nebraska-legislature-mostly-conservative-republicans/721044/31 "2015-05-28T21:28:24Z")
No matter the reason, Congrats Nebraska! ---
**Author:** ![DrDeth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/b487fb/32.png) [@DrDeth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DrDeth)\ **Post date:** [May 28, 2015, 9:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/congratulations-to-the-nebraska-legislature-mostly-conservative-republicans/721044/32 "2015-05-28T21:39:01Z")
> [@Do\_Not\_Taunt](#): > > So you are that guy. > > Look, it’s IMHO, and you’re entitled to whatever opinion you want to have, but it’s clear that Willingham’s guilt is not just questionable, it’s questioned. > > I have no real interest in getting into it here, but I was mostly amused that you felt like sneaking the name of a convicted two-bit Texas murderer into a list including Osama bin Laden and Adolf Eichmann, which doesn’t fit at all. Like partisans using terms like Demoncrats or Repuglicans, it can only be interpreted as making a snide, passing comment on his guilt in lieu of defending the argument on its merits, suggesting an underlying weakness in the argument. He’s been hit with the case of Willingham before, and it must have smarted. Willingham is pretty much solidly 100% not guilty. Since there was no arson, there was no murder by arson. The arson investigator engaged in pseudoscience and out & out lying. That’s also where Smapti got the term “pseudoscience” from his earlier defeat on this case. It’s odd, that he’d try to slip it in tho, if he had just kept to Dzhokhar Tsarnaev, Ted Bundy, Osama bin Laden, Adolf Eichmann, etc he’d have a case. Bringing in Willingham blows his own argument out of the water, since Willingham was innocent and thus Gov Perry\* (et al) a murderer. - from that cite "\*Gov. Perry did fire the state arson board chairman. And appointed John Bradley to the Texas Texas Forensic Science Commission, which then took up the issue of concealing the exculpatory evidence of Todd Willingham, and the state execution of an innocent man \* ---
**Author:** ![kaylasdad99](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kaylasdad99/32/3398_2.png) [@kaylasdad99](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kaylasdad99)\ **Post date:** [May 28, 2015, 10:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/congratulations-to-the-nebraska-legislature-mostly-conservative-republicans/721044/33 "2015-05-28T22:20:53Z")
> [@Smapti](#): > > Once again, the Republicans make the wrong call for the wrong reasons. Incorrect. Capital punishment is itself wrong, always and everywhere. Not a debatable proposition. So what they did was make the RIGHT call for the wrong reasons. ---
**Author:** ![Senegoid](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/senegoid/32/6606_2.png) [@Senegoid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Senegoid)\ **Post date:** [May 29, 2015, 1:00am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/congratulations-to-the-nebraska-legislature-mostly-conservative-republicans/721044/34 "2015-05-29T01:00:17Z")
There oughta be a new Pit thread! IRIOTD: Intelligent Republican Idea of the Day. ---
**Author:** ![zoid](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/zoid/32/336_2.png) [@zoid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/zoid)\ **Post date:** [May 29, 2015, 1:05am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/congratulations-to-the-nebraska-legislature-mostly-conservative-republicans/721044/35 "2015-05-29T01:05:30Z")
Jesus, I’m sorry I asked. For the life of me I’m not sure why I held out the faintest hope I’d get an intelligent response. Apologies to all. ---
**Author:** ![Northern\_Piper](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/northern_piper/32/5304_2.png) [@Northern\_Piper](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Northern_Piper)\ **Post date:** [May 29, 2015, 1:21am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/congratulations-to-the-nebraska-legislature-mostly-conservative-republicans/721044/36 "2015-05-29T01:21:43Z")
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