# Congress will kick the can down the road on health care **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [May 19, 2009, 9:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/congress-will-kick-the-can-down-the-road-on-health-care/497015 "2009-05-19T21:55:53Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 5
**Author:** ![Carol\_Stream](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/c2a13f/32.png) [@Carol\_Stream](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Carol_Stream)\ **Post date:** [May 21, 2009, 3:23am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/congress-will-kick-the-can-down-the-road-on-health-care/497015/81 "2009-05-21T03:23:55Z")
> [@Captain\_Carrot](#): > > As the _ending part_. He had an actual > argument to accompany that, which sadly continues to escape you. An ending part? Whatever does that mean? Are you twelve? ---
**Author:** ![Equipoise](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/equipoise/32/151_2.png) [@Equipoise](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Equipoise)\ **Post date:** [May 21, 2009, 5:49am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/congress-will-kick-the-can-down-the-road-on-health-care/497015/82 "2009-05-21T05:49:58Z")
Sorry, I’ve been at work all day and then out at the movies. > [@Carol\_Stream](#): > > Get back to me when UHC is a reality. We will. President Obama will have it done by the end of his first term (most likely after the mid-term elections, when your guys will lose even more seats). I will fudge and say it may not be fully implemented until his second term, just because the obstructionist fucks still have some tricks up their sleeves. Stupid tricks, for sure (like this latest Pelosi distraction crap. _Pelosi??_ Give me a break), but tricks nonetheless, so President Obama…man, I love saying that…President Obama will have to do workarounds and a bit of backtracking here and there, no doubt pissing off the progressives, but he’ll do whatever he needs to do to make an end run around the conservatives, and he WILL do it. > [@Carol\_Stream](#): > > And how is that gay marriage thing working out in California, for example? What, you really don’t believe that gay marriage is coming, just because of Prop 8? Seriously? If the California Supreme Court doesn’t strike it down, it’ll get back on the ballot and you can bet your Hannity underpants that the voters would strike it down this time. Valuable lessons were learned (by gay marriage supporters) that will come in handy next time. As anyway, as I said, you’ll have victories every now and then. Gloat while you have the chance, because you’re not going to have too many more. To put it in parlance that you warmongers understand, you’ll win some battles, but we’ll win the war. It’s already won, actually (Iowa, baby, IOWA!), there’s just some mopping up to do. Ok, a LOT of mopping up, but it’ll get done. It’s being worked on. Edit to add: > [@](#): > > On what planet is “suck on it” an actual argument? It’s not an argument, it was a gloat regarding the GOP losing demographics. It was a pretty juvenile thing to say actually, I’ll admit that, but it was fun to say. ---
**Author:** ![I\_Love\_Me\_Vol.I](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/i_love_me_vol.i/32/521_2.png) [@I\_Love\_Me\_Vol.I](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/I_Love_Me_Vol.I)\ **Post date:** [May 21, 2009, 8:19am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/congress-will-kick-the-can-down-the-road-on-health-care/497015/83 "2009-05-21T08:19:27Z")
> [@xtisme](#): > > I disagree, but I guess we’ll see, ehe? It’s not up to you or me to determine if this is the right time or the wrong one. OK. If you two can’t determine it then I will. It’s the _wrong_ time, chief. The right time was maybe 30 or 40 years ago. You know–when the civilized counties did it. It’s not too late for you to de-fossilize, dino. But can you? And can your backward brethren? ---
**Author:** ![I\_Love\_Me\_Vol.I](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/i_love_me_vol.i/32/521_2.png) [@I\_Love\_Me\_Vol.I](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/I_Love_Me_Vol.I)\ **Post date:** [May 21, 2009, 8:30am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/congress-will-kick-the-can-down-the-road-on-health-care/497015/84 "2009-05-21T08:30:29Z")
> [@Carol\_Stream](#): > > More importantly, WE THE PEOPLE, have determined that’s not a priority, at least for now. Your arguments otherwise are just tiliting at windmills. WE THE PEOPLE are FUCKS!!!. Sad, but true. Go watch some more TV and eat some more McD’s… Yummmmmmm…!!! THERE it is! God BLESS America! _THEY_ the People in the _ **civilized** _ nations of Earth have realized that universal health care is a net benefit to their societies. One day we will probably get there… but with no help from you and the other knuckle-draggers. ---
**Author:** ![amanset](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/8dc957/32.png) [@amanset](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/amanset)\ **Post date:** [May 21, 2009, 8:46am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/congress-will-kick-the-can-down-the-road-on-health-care/497015/85 "2009-05-21T08:46:15Z")
> [@amanset](#): > > Looking forward to your comments on GIGO’s list! Still waiting! You’re not going to chicken out on me, Ms Stream, are you? ---
**Author:** ![tumbleddown](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/e9bcb4/32.png) [@tumbleddown](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/tumbleddown)\ **Post date:** [May 21, 2009, 9:03am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/congress-will-kick-the-can-down-the-road-on-health-care/497015/86 "2009-05-21T09:03:43Z")
I would argue that we the people did indeed vote for it when we elected a president who ran with the creation of public accessibility to a healthcare plan _option_ as a main platform position. That’s who we chose, not the blithering fool who told lies about people using healthcare insurance for hair plugs. That didn’t happen in a bubble. ---
**Author:** ![The\_Tao\_s\_Revenge](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/73ab20/32.png) [@The\_Tao\_s\_Revenge](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Tao_s_Revenge)\ **Post date:** [May 21, 2009, 12:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/congress-will-kick-the-can-down-the-road-on-health-care/497015/87 "2009-05-21T12:46:04Z")
> [@Carol\_Stream](#): > > An ending part? Whatever does that mean? Are you twelve? ITT: trolling by a dumb bitch who wants more American babies to die from an archaic obsolete health care system. ---
**Author:** ![XT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/xt/32/456_2.png) [@XT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/XT)\ **Post date:** [May 21, 2009, 1:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/congress-will-kick-the-can-down-the-road-on-health-care/497015/88 "2009-05-21T13:57:36Z")
[QUOTE=I Love Me, Vol. I] It’s the wrong time, chief. [/QUOTE] That has yet to be demonstrated. Obviously Obama disagrees with you, however. > [@](#): > > You know–when the civilized counties did it. Oh yes…‘the civilized countries’, presumably of Europe. You mean the one’s who did it by relying on us to carry the water for them on the military side so they’d have the money to do so? > [@](#): > > It’s not too late for you to de-fossilize, dino. So, anyone not in lock step with our wonderful Euro buddies is a ‘dino’, ehe? ROOOOOAAAAAARRRRRRR! Basically your argument here seem to boil down to ‘We are uncivilized since we eat McDonalds and don’t have UHC like the more civilized nations of the earth…and anyone who disagrees with me is a dino’. If that’s all you gots…well, I’m militantly unconvinced. And the irony is…I think there is some merit to looking at some serious change to our health care system. I’m simply unconvinced by silly insults and appeals to supposed European superiority as the basis for what we should do, or what is best for us to do. > [@](#): > > THEY the People in the civilized nations of Earth have realized that universal health care is a net benefit to their societies. Uhuh…very convincing! Yes…Europe is a shinning beacon of light in an otherwise dark world! > [@](#): > > One day we will probably get there… but with no help from you and the other knuckle-draggers. Or maybe, despite the fact that the US has been carrying their water for them for decades on the military side of things, their economies will collapse under the weight of all of their social programs. WITH the help of you feather headed, pie in the sky and militantly clueless types (since we are tossing around insults so freely I figured I might as well chime in…being a ‘dino’ and all). -XT ---
**Author:** ![Squink](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/b5e925/32.png) [@Squink](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Squink)\ **Post date:** [May 21, 2009, 2:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/congress-will-kick-the-can-down-the-road-on-health-care/497015/89 "2009-05-21T14:19:13Z")
> [@xtisme](#): > > You mean the one’s who did it by relying on us to carry the water for them on the military side… You mean the one’s who took us for the fools that we are and profited themselves by it? ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [May 21, 2009, 2:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/congress-will-kick-the-can-down-the-road-on-health-care/497015/90 "2009-05-21T14:31:19Z")
And worse, they aren’t even grateful! Here we went to all the sacrifice and effort to make ourselves the most powerful military force in human history, and you’ll hear them mutter dark suggestions that our motives were selfish! Boy, some people, huh? When the patriots at Lockheed, etc. were forced to swallow tons of public money to protect Yurpeens, did they flinch? Did they back away from the flood of money that swelled them to bursting? They did not! I cannot continue, the rush of emotion of our nobility is simply too much for me… ---
**Author:** ![XT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/xt/32/456_2.png) [@XT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/XT)\ **Post date:** [May 21, 2009, 2:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/congress-will-kick-the-can-down-the-road-on-health-care/497015/91 "2009-05-21T14:32:12Z")
[QUOTE=Squink] You mean the one’s who took us for the fools that we are and profited themselves by it? [/QUOTE] Lol…yeah, those guys. I never said they weren’t smart… -XT ---
**Author:** ![Captain\_Carrot](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/f0a364/32.png) [@Captain\_Carrot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Captain_Carrot)\ **Post date:** [May 21, 2009, 2:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/congress-will-kick-the-can-down-the-road-on-health-care/497015/92 "2009-05-21T14:42:31Z")
You certainly implied it. ---
**Author:** ![XT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/xt/32/456_2.png) [@XT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/XT)\ **Post date:** [May 21, 2009, 2:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/congress-will-kick-the-can-down-the-road-on-health-care/497015/93 "2009-05-21T14:46:46Z")
I did? Well, if so then I didn’t mean to. I think our Euro buddies are hypocrites with a past that makes Attila look good…but I don’t think they are stupid. -XT ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [May 21, 2009, 2:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/congress-will-kick-the-can-down-the-road-on-health-care/497015/94 "2009-05-21T14:55:07Z")
Hypocrisy? You really sure you want to go there? ---
**Author:** ![Squink](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/b5e925/32.png) [@Squink](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Squink)\ **Post date:** [May 21, 2009, 3:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/congress-will-kick-the-can-down-the-road-on-health-care/497015/95 "2009-05-21T15:05:48Z")
> [@xtisme](#): > > I don’t think they are stupid. Yup, SMART people choose socialized medicine. It’s dummys like US that prattle on about the virtues of the insurance companies. ---
**Author:** ![bobthebuilder](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/c67d28/32.png) [@bobthebuilder](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bobthebuilder)\ **Post date:** [May 21, 2009, 4:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/congress-will-kick-the-can-down-the-road-on-health-care/497015/96 "2009-05-21T16:33:29Z")
> [@Captain\_Carrot](#): > > 😕 How is the government at all involved in health care? Members of Congress get single-payer plans, but that’s it. > Threats of violence? Unjustifiable cause? What on earth are you talking about? The government is involved in health care through things like medicare, the liscensing of medical doctors, and the FDA declaring what drugs can and cannot be used, all enforced by the threat of violence. Secondly any government national health care will use threats of violence to achieve its goals just as any government action does. Voting or supporting those who support national health care is supporting the use of violence and threats thereof for the purpose of healthcare. I for one believe that violence for this reason is unjustifiable. ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [May 21, 2009, 4:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/congress-will-kick-the-can-down-the-road-on-health-care/497015/97 "2009-05-21T16:43:42Z")
Well, that will have to wait until Obama sends ACORN to take all our guns… ---
**Author:** ![Squink](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/b5e925/32.png) [@Squink](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Squink)\ **Post date:** [May 21, 2009, 4:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/congress-will-kick-the-can-down-the-road-on-health-care/497015/98 "2009-05-21T16:47:08Z")
> [@elucidator](#): > > Well, that will have to wait until Obama sends ACORN to take all our guns… Not OUR guns, just **bobthebuilder’s.** “If you don’t get that sparained ankle looked at by a doctor, we’re going to invade Iraq, AGAIN!!!” ---
**Author:** ![Captain\_Carrot](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/f0a364/32.png) [@Captain\_Carrot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Captain_Carrot)\ **Post date:** [May 21, 2009, 4:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/congress-will-kick-the-can-down-the-road-on-health-care/497015/99 "2009-05-21T16:48:24Z")
> [@bobthebuilder](#): > > The government is involved in health care through things like Medicare, the licensing of medical doctors, and the FDA declaring what drugs can and cannot be used, **all enforced by the threat of violence.** (bolding mine)What the hell are you talking about? > [@bobthbuilder](#): > > Secondly any government national health care will use threats of violence to achieve its goals just as any government action does. Voting or supporting those who support national health care is supporting the use of violence and threats thereof for the purpose of healthcare. I for one believe that violence for this reason is unjustifiable. By that logic, voting or supporting those who support any government action is supporting the use of violence for that purpose. Which is completely absurd. ---
**Author:** ![bobthebuilder](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/c67d28/32.png) [@bobthebuilder](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bobthebuilder)\ **Post date:** [May 21, 2009, 4:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/congress-will-kick-the-can-down-the-road-on-health-care/497015/100 "2009-05-21T16:53:51Z")
> [@Captain\_Carrot](#): > > (bolding mine)What the hell are you talking about? Quite simply I am stating that any law is backed up by the force of arms. All government action is back up by the threat of violence. Every. Single. One. > [@](#): > > By that logic, voting or supporting those who support any government action is supporting the use of violence for that purpose. Which is completely absurd. No, maybe something you dont want to recognize but something that is clearly true. How is it absurd? are you denying that violence is the backing of all government policy? Are you denying that the enforcement of law is always done by violence? To me it seems as if this is something that you are choosing not be recognize, not something that is actually absurd. Now, not being pacifist I am okay with government doing some actions, because at times violence in warranted. I cannot vote or support for the use of violence accept in very few cases, and healthcare is not one of them. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/congress-will-kick-the-can-down-the-road-on-health-care/497015.md?page=4) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/congress-will-kick-the-can-down-the-road-on-health-care/497015.md?page=6)