# Congresswoman Gabrielle Giffords shot in the head? **URL:** \ **Category:** Miscellaneous and Personal Stuff I Must Share\ **Created:** [January 8, 2011, 6:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/congresswoman-gabrielle-giffords-shot-in-the-head/566904 "2011-01-08T18:36:18Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 16
**Author:** ![Northern\_Piper](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/northern_piper/32/5304_2.png) [@Northern\_Piper](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Northern_Piper)\ **Post date:** [January 10, 2011, 2:56am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/congresswoman-gabrielle-giffords-shot-in-the-head/566904/301 "2011-01-10T02:56:00Z")
> [@Jonathan\_Chance](#): > > Just for the record: > > [The Federal Criminal Complaint against Jared Lee Loughner](http://media.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/politics/documents/Loughner.pdf?hpid=topnews) I’m curious - what were the official duties that Judge Roll was performing when he was shot, as alleged by Count # 3? The press reports I’ve read said that he just happened by and stopped to chat with the Congresswoman ---
**Author:** ![Jonathan\_Chance](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jonathan_chance/32/701_2.png) [@Jonathan\_Chance](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jonathan_Chance)\ **Post date:** [January 10, 2011, 3:10am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/congresswoman-gabrielle-giffords-shot-in-the-head/566904/302 "2011-01-10T03:10:46Z")
Apparently speaking with the Congresswoman’s staff about the workload for the district. I think that’s a stretch but it gives them one more major thing to hang on him. ---
**Author:** ![Baker](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/bb73d2/32.png) [@Baker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Baker)\ **Post date:** [January 10, 2011, 4:26am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/congresswoman-gabrielle-giffords-shot-in-the-head/566904/303 "2011-01-10T04:26:35Z")
Sad coincidence, I just saw an item on MSN that said the little girl who died(she was nine) was born 9/11/2001. Born on the day of a mass murder, died in a mass murder. ---
**Author:** ![Sampiro](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/2acd7d/32.png) [@Sampiro](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sampiro)\ **Post date:** [January 10, 2011, 4:36am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/congresswoman-gabrielle-giffords-shot-in-the-head/566904/304 "2011-01-10T04:36:36Z")
> [@Jonathan\_Chance](#): > > Apparently speaking with the Congresswoman’s staff about the workload for the district. I think that’s a stretch but it gives them one more major thing to hang on him. Not that they really need it. Any one of the deaths is worth the gas chamber/lethal injection (the two methods practiced in AZ) in and of itself. ---
**Author:** ![Try2B\_Comprehensive](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/try2b_comprehensive/32/65_2.png) [@Try2B\_Comprehensive](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Try2B_Comprehensive)\ **Post date:** [January 10, 2011, 6:28am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/congresswoman-gabrielle-giffords-shot-in-the-head/566904/305 "2011-01-10T06:28:16Z")
> [@Jonathan\_Chance](#): > > Apparently speaking with the Congresswoman’s staff about the workload for the district. I think that’s a stretch but it gives them one more major thing to hang on him. Right. But I think you mean, “hang him for.” See, wasn’t that better? 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![cochrane](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cochrane/32/10441_2.png) [@cochrane](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/cochrane)\ **Post date:** [January 10, 2011, 9:11am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/congresswoman-gabrielle-giffords-shot-in-the-head/566904/306 "2011-01-10T09:11:10Z")
> [@Baker](#): > > Sad coincidence, I just saw an item on MSN that said the little girl who died(she was nine) was born 9/11/2001. Born on the day of a mass murder, died in a mass murder. Mentioned several times. And her grandfather is Dallas Green, former MLB manager and Cubs GM. ---
**Author:** ![Marley23](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/45deac/32.png) [@Marley23](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Marley23)\ **Post date:** [January 10, 2011, 12:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/congresswoman-gabrielle-giffords-shot-in-the-head/566904/307 "2011-01-10T12:11:14Z")
> [@Sampiro](#): > > Not that they really need it. Any one of the deaths is worth the gas chamber/lethal injection (the two methods practiced in AZ) in and of itself. And eventually I assume Arizona will file charges for all the other people who were shot. Today he’s just being arraigned on the federal charges. ---
**Author:** ![fjs1fs](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/9e8a1a/32.png) [@fjs1fs](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/fjs1fs)\ **Post date:** [January 10, 2011, 7:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/congresswoman-gabrielle-giffords-shot-in-the-head/566904/308 "2011-01-10T19:25:57Z")
> [@Sampiro](#): > > The fact this hasn’t happened on American soil in centuries would indicate that whatever the shooter’s affiliations he wasn’t typical and he was homicidally deranged. > > We will know more about him than we know about our neighbors before dark and non-stop for the next 7 days. > > Og but I hope it wasn’t a gay kid who was bullied in school or we’re going to see Anderson Cooper and numerous other media personalities masturbating on air. > too soon? I’m glad we’ve heard from the Pro-Bully Camp. ---
**Author:** ![Skywatcher](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/skywatcher/32/254_2.png) [@Skywatcher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Skywatcher)\ **Post date:** [January 10, 2011, 8:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/congresswoman-gabrielle-giffords-shot-in-the-head/566904/309 "2011-01-10T20:34:01Z")
> [@Baker](#): > > Sad coincidence, I just saw an item on MSN that said the little girl who died(she was nine) was born 9/11/2001. Born on the day of a mass murder, died in a mass murder. By the finger of someone who reportedly believes the Government was behind 9/11. ---
**Author:** ![Dogzilla](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e480ec/32.png) [@Dogzilla](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dogzilla)\ **Post date:** [January 10, 2011, 8:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/congresswoman-gabrielle-giffords-shot-in-the-head/566904/310 "2011-01-10T20:40:40Z")
> [@Baker](#): > > Sad coincidence, I just saw an item on MSN that said the little girl who died(she was nine) was born 9/11/2001. Born on the day of a mass murder, died in a mass murder. Six people qualifies as a “mass” murder? Really? What means “mass” – anything over one? 😕 ---
**Author:** ![Ca3799](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/9f8e36/32.png) [@Ca3799](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ca3799)\ **Post date:** [January 10, 2011, 8:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/congresswoman-gabrielle-giffords-shot-in-the-head/566904/311 "2011-01-10T20:56:14Z")
On Fox news, I saw some reporter setting up a ladder in a neighbors yard to take video of the shooter and his parents backyard. The reported was saying that there was rumor of some kind of “shrine or alter” in the yard, but after videotaping bushes and an old pickup truck, with no signs of an alter or shrine, he said the alter was “gone”. Surely this must be some kind of new low for journalism, but perhaps not for Fox. ---
**Author:** ![running\_coach](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/running_coach/32/15836_2.png) [@running\_coach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/running_coach)\ **Post date:** [January 10, 2011, 9:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/congresswoman-gabrielle-giffords-shot-in-the-head/566904/312 "2011-01-10T21:03:17Z")
> [@Dogzilla](#): > > Six people qualifies as a “mass” murder? Really? What means “mass” – anything over one? 😕 He did hit a number of others. Sheer luck it wasn’t fatal. He was trying to kill as many as possible before he went down. ---
**Author:** ![StusBlues](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/dc4da7/32.png) [@StusBlues](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/StusBlues)\ **Post date:** [January 10, 2011, 9:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/congresswoman-gabrielle-giffords-shot-in-the-head/566904/313 "2011-01-10T21:06:40Z")
> [@Dogzilla](#): > > Six people qualifies as a “mass” murder? Really? What means “mass” – anything over one? 😕 [QUOTE=The FBI] Generally, mass murder was described as a number of murders ( **four or more** ) occurring during the same incident, with no distinctive time period between the murders. These events typically involved a single location, where the killer murdered a number of victims in an ongoing incident (e.g. the 1984 San Ysidro McDonalds incident in San Diego, California; the 1991 Luby’s Restaurant massacre in Killeen, Texas; and the 2007 Virginia Tech murders in Blacksburg, Virginia). [/QUOTE] Emphasis mine. [http://www.fbi.gov/stats-services/publications/serial-murder/serial-murder-1](http://www.fbi.gov/stats-services/publications/serial-murder/serial-murder-1) ---
**Author:** ![Dogzilla](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e480ec/32.png) [@Dogzilla](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dogzilla)\ **Post date:** [January 10, 2011, 9:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/congresswoman-gabrielle-giffords-shot-in-the-head/566904/314 "2011-01-10T21:09:19Z")
> [@StusBlues](#): > > Emphasis mine. > > [http://www.fbi.gov/stats-services/publications/serial-murder/serial-murder-1](http://www.fbi.gov/stats-services/publications/serial-murder/serial-murder-1) Four or more, per the FBI. :rolleyes: Got it. Thanks! ---
**Author:** ![Duke](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e8c25b/32.png) [@Duke](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Duke)\ **Post date:** [January 10, 2011, 9:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/congresswoman-gabrielle-giffords-shot-in-the-head/566904/315 "2011-01-10T21:13:16Z")
It’s sort of morbidly interesting that the FBI requires four deaths to have an incident be called a “mass murder”, but only three (over a space of time) to be called “serial murder.” My wife **tygre** would have a field day with that…she did get an A in Serial Murder in college, as she often reminds me. ---
**Author:** ![Boyo\_Jim](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/87869e/32.png) [@Boyo\_Jim](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Boyo_Jim)\ **Post date:** [January 10, 2011, 9:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/congresswoman-gabrielle-giffords-shot-in-the-head/566904/316 "2011-01-10T21:26:49Z")
The most important untold (until now) story: [Two Hollywood stars are related to two victims in the shooting.](http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20110110/ap_en_ot/us_people_paltrow_bush) Gwenneth Paltrow is a cousin of Congresswoman Giffords. Sophia Green is the second cousin of the nine year old child killed in the shooting. ---
**Author:** ![Sampiro](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/2acd7d/32.png) [@Sampiro](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sampiro)\ **Post date:** [January 10, 2011, 9:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/congresswoman-gabrielle-giffords-shot-in-the-head/566904/317 "2011-01-10T21:43:44Z")
> [@Boyo\_Jim](#): > > The most important untold (until now) story: > > [Two Hollywood stars are related to two victims in the shooting.](http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20110110/ap_en_ot/us_people_paltrow_bush) > > Gwenneth Paltrow is a cousin of Congresswoman Giffords. Sophia Green is the second cousin of the nine year old child killed in the shooting. Hmm. Paltrow is pretty close- a first cousin once removed. I wonder if they knew each other. ---
**Author:** ![Cisco](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/ccd318/32.png) [@Cisco](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cisco)\ **Post date:** [January 10, 2011, 9:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/congresswoman-gabrielle-giffords-shot-in-the-head/566904/318 "2011-01-10T21:47:42Z")
> [@Dogzilla](#): > > Four or more, per the FBI. :rolleyes: Got it. Thanks! Wtf? > [@Sampiro](#): > > Hmm. Paltrow is pretty close- a first cousin once removed. I wonder if they knew each other. I heard on the radio this morning that they didn’t. ---
**Author:** ![Sampiro](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/2acd7d/32.png) [@Sampiro](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sampiro)\ **Post date:** [January 10, 2011, 9:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/congresswoman-gabrielle-giffords-shot-in-the-head/566904/319 "2011-01-10T21:53:33Z")
I would think that Loughner would be a very high risk of suicide. Does anybody know what precautions other than the obvious (no shoelaces, no sharp objects, nothing that can be used to hang yourself) prisons take to prevent a suicide? Would he likely be handcuffed or anything like? ---
**Author:** ![StusBlues](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/dc4da7/32.png) [@StusBlues](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/StusBlues)\ **Post date:** [January 10, 2011, 9:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/congresswoman-gabrielle-giffords-shot-in-the-head/566904/320 "2011-01-10T21:54:04Z")
> [@Cisco](#): > > Wtf? Yeah, I was wondering that myself. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/congresswoman-gabrielle-giffords-shot-in-the-head/566904.md?page=15) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/congresswoman-gabrielle-giffords-shot-in-the-head/566904.md?page=17)