# Congresswoman Marjorie Taylor Greene MUST GO **URL:** \ **Category:** Politics & Elections\ **Created:** [January 31, 2021, 12:44am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/congresswoman-marjorie-taylor-greene-must-go/931895 "2021-01-31T00:44:22Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 11
**Author:** ![DaveUnknown](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/94ad74/32.png) [@DaveUnknown](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DaveUnknown)\ **Post date:** [February 26, 2021, 2:35am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/congresswoman-marjorie-taylor-greene-must-go/931895/203 "2021-02-26T02:35:22Z")
Haha… I dreamt about some mistaken person using RAID bug spray as an air freshener and inadvertently sickening people. Awful. ---
**Author:** ![Deeg](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/deeg/32/2955_2.png) [@Deeg](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Deeg)\ **Post date:** [February 26, 2021, 5:42am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/congresswoman-marjorie-taylor-greene-must-go/931895/204 "2021-02-26T05:42:11Z")
We should stop giving Greene free publicity and just ignore her. Fox turned AOC onto a force to be reckoned with by giving her so much air time; I don’t want to do the same with Greene. ---
**Author:** ![asahi](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/asahi/32/8693_2.png) [@asahi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/asahi)\ **Post date:** [February 26, 2021, 2:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/congresswoman-marjorie-taylor-greene-must-go/931895/205 "2021-02-26T14:14:54Z")
My hypothesis is that conservative men are infatuated with AOC ---
**Author:** ![Yookeroo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/yookeroo/32/323_2.png) [@Yookeroo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Yookeroo)\ **Post date:** [February 27, 2021, 12:11am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/congresswoman-marjorie-taylor-greene-must-go/931895/206 "2021-02-27T00:11:05Z")
> [@Deeg](#): > > We should stop giving Greene free publicity and just ignore her. I say we do everything we can to make her the face of the GQP. The more publicity, the better. ---
**Author:** ![Kimstu](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/ecd19e/32.png) [@Kimstu](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kimstu)\ **Post date:** [February 27, 2021, 1:23am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/congresswoman-marjorie-taylor-greene-must-go/931895/207 "2021-02-27T01:23:23Z")
> [@pulykamell](#): > > I’ve met my share of people who seemed perfectly intelligent and functional who believe that humans are divided into men and women, that science supports that (they don’t know anything beyond XX and XY), and all these myriad gender classifications are a liberal social phenomenon. I don’t see any reason to believe Representative Greene is not one of these fairly mainstream people. I think basing her “trust the science” purely on trolling is giving her too much credit. I sincerely think she believes it. A hell of a lot of people do. A lot of people are just plain mixed up about the relation between sex and gender. Sex is a biological characteristic that places most but by no means all humans into one of two distinct categories. Gender is a social construct that may or may not correlate with sex, depending on how humans choose to define it. Gender identity is a psychological phenomenon that according to currently available evidence appears to have at least a strong biological component, but is not strictly binary and doesn’t always correlate with biological sex. So what would it even mean to declare that “science” maintains that there are only two genders? Hell, there are three recognized genders in the English language. The concept of gender is socially constructed and means what we define it to mean, irrespective of what science tells us about biological sex and other biological phenomena. ---
**Author:** ![PhillyGuy](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/ed655f/32.png) [@PhillyGuy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/PhillyGuy)\ **Post date:** [February 27, 2021, 1:24am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/congresswoman-marjorie-taylor-greene-must-go/931895/208 "2021-02-27T01:24:05Z")
> [@Yookeroo](#): > > > [@Deeg](#): > > > > We should stop giving Greene free publicity and just ignore her. > > I say we do everything we can to make her the face of the GQP. The more publicity, the better. Tough choice. Her specific positions are unpopular. But the abstract idea of fearlessly standing up for what you believe is popular. Of course, it’s the same dilemma as with DJT. The best I can do is to come in the middle. Give her some bad publicity, but concentrate more on Ted Cruz. I think the House Democrats need to make her move the hallway sex science hate poster into a closed office, even if it gives her some victim points. ---
**Author:** ![Kimstu](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/ecd19e/32.png) [@Kimstu](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kimstu)\ **Post date:** [February 27, 2021, 1:31am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/congresswoman-marjorie-taylor-greene-must-go/931895/209 "2021-02-27T01:31:56Z")
> [@PhillyGuy](#): > > I think the House Democrats need to make her move the hallway sex science hate poster into a closed office, even if it gives her some victim points. Or put up a poster describing the actual science of sex and gender next to it. Bonus points for one that has detailed reproductive system diagrams flopping all over the hallway wall: fight ignorance, embarrass Republican prudes. ---
**Author:** ![PhillyGuy](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/ed655f/32.png) [@PhillyGuy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/PhillyGuy)\ **Post date:** [February 27, 2021, 1:32am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/congresswoman-marjorie-taylor-greene-must-go/931895/210 "2021-02-27T01:32:50Z")
> [@Kimstu](#): > > Gender is a social construct that may or may not correlate with sex, depending on how humans choose to define it. I’m not changing back to being a Republican because only a highly educated Democrat could believe this, but I can see why Trumpers would find it amusing. Human nature can be stretched, but your statement goes beyond the breaking point. ---
**Author:** ![eschrodinger](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/eschrodinger/32/122_2.png) [@eschrodinger](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/eschrodinger)\ **Post date:** [February 27, 2021, 1:39am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/congresswoman-marjorie-taylor-greene-must-go/931895/211 "2021-02-27T01:39:44Z")
Wow, really? This is unremarkable fact. Look at how performance of gender has changed over time, or how it’s different in different cultures. ---
**Author:** ![DavidNRockies](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/davidnrockies/32/6279_2.png) [@DavidNRockies](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DavidNRockies)\ **Post date:** [February 27, 2021, 1:42am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/congresswoman-marjorie-taylor-greene-must-go/931895/212 "2021-02-27T01:42:32Z")
Excerpting the statement devoid of its context robbed it of some meaning. But … Gender really isn’t all that simple. Two ref’s: > **[Sex and gender: Meanings, definition, identity, and expression](https://www.medicalnewstoday.com/articles/232363#sex-differences)** > > Sex and gender are different. Sex is assigned at birth, while gender is how a person identifies. Gender encompasses a broad spectrum. Learn more here. > **[Faʻafafine](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fa%27afafine)** > > Pages for logged out editors learn more > > Faʻafafine are people who identify themselves as having a third gender or non-binary role in Samoa, American Samoa and the Samoan diaspora. A recognised gender identity/gender role in traditional Samoan society, and an integral part of Samoan culture, faʻafafine are assigned male at birth, and explicitly embody both masculine and feminine gender traits in a way unique to Polynesia.\[citation needed\] Their behaviour typically ranges from extravagant... As science and medicine move forward, almost all black/white arguments are relegated to the dustbin of history. We get more and more powerful microscopes – literally and figuratively – and we learn more and more every day. ---
**Author:** ![PhillyGuy](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/ed655f/32.png) [@PhillyGuy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/PhillyGuy)\ **Post date:** [February 27, 2021, 2:11am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/congresswoman-marjorie-taylor-greene-must-go/931895/213 "2021-02-27T02:11:10Z")
> [@Kimstu](#): > > Bonus points for one that has detailed reproductive system diagrams flopping all over the hallway wall: fight ignorance, embarrass Republican prudes. As an advocate of more speech as the answer to bad speech, this has appeal to me. But I’m also thinking that a back and forth poster war, designed to heighten negative emotions, might play to her strengths. ---
**Author:** ![JRDelirious](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jrdelirious/32/9531_2.png) [@JRDelirious](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JRDelirious)\ **Post date:** [February 27, 2021, 3:19am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/congresswoman-marjorie-taylor-greene-must-go/931895/214 "2021-02-27T03:19:00Z")
> [@Grrr](#): > > I was wondering if Pelosi controls office assignments. Office assignments are by lottery in order of seniority. That is each seniority tier of members gets to successively draw in what order they get to pick their preference of available offices. So first any long time veterans who may want a better place get to choose from the few really prime spaces that may become available in any given term, then other long termers, and so on, and if you draw a high number they’d most likely choose to stay where they are are … naturally freshmen have to ALL make a choice, from whatever is available when their turn comes. > [@Yookeroo](#): > > I say we do everything we can to make her the face of the GQP. The more publicity, the better. Hmmm… 2016 deja vu there… ---
**Author:** ![Deeg](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/deeg/32/2955_2.png) [@Deeg](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Deeg)\ **Post date:** [February 27, 2021, 3:32am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/congresswoman-marjorie-taylor-greene-must-go/931895/215 "2021-02-27T03:32:44Z")
At a national level this might work but it’ll just pump her up in the eyes of her constituents. To get rid of her we need to make her look ineffective, not a fighter. ---
**Author:** ![DesertDog](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/desertdog/32/11503_2.png) [@DesertDog](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DesertDog)\ **Post date:** [February 27, 2021, 5:16am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/congresswoman-marjorie-taylor-greene-must-go/931895/216 "2021-02-27T05:16:44Z")
She needs to be shown some infants with ambiguous genitalia. > **Two-click rule to a text article.** > > [Ambiguous genitalia - Symptoms and causes - Mayo Clinic](https://www.mayoclinic.org/diseases-conditions/ambiguous-genitalia/symptoms-causes/syc-20369273#:~:text=Ambiguous%20genitalia%20is%20a%20rare,have%20characteristics%20of%20both%20sexes). Not pix, the real, living kids. Then from that foundation have her talk to some people who are not so ambiguous but still can try and explain their non-cis feelings. Of course, that would require some empathy on her part, feelings that are not in evidence. ---
**Author:** ![DrDeth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/b487fb/32.png) [@DrDeth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DrDeth)\ **Post date:** [February 27, 2021, 5:54am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/congresswoman-marjorie-taylor-greene-must-go/931895/217 "2021-02-27T05:54:08Z")
> [@DesertDog](#): > > She needs to be shown some infants with ambiguous genitalia. She’d just claim it was faked or you are showing Kiddy porn. This sort of wilful ignorance cant be fixed. ---
**Author:** ![DesertDog](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/desertdog/32/11503_2.png) [@DesertDog](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DesertDog)\ **Post date:** [February 27, 2021, 5:55am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/congresswoman-marjorie-taylor-greene-must-go/931895/218 "2021-02-27T05:55:44Z")
That’s why I specified no pix. ---
**Author:** ![Velocity](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/velocity/32/18006_2.png) [@Velocity](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Velocity)\ **Post date:** [February 27, 2021, 8:04am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/congresswoman-marjorie-taylor-greene-must-go/931895/219 "2021-02-27T08:04:09Z")
I don’t think that would necessarily persuade her at all. She might concede that those are kids born with a rare and unfortunate disorder. But she wouldn’t say that someone who clearly and unambiguously has a penis (and penis only) is a woman, nor would she say that someone who clearly and ambiguously has a vagina (and vagina only) is a man. And neither would her supporters. ---
**Author:** ![Banquet\_Bear](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/banquet_bear/32/373_2.png) [@Banquet\_Bear](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Banquet_Bear)\ **Post date:** [February 27, 2021, 8:59am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/congresswoman-marjorie-taylor-greene-must-go/931895/220 "2021-02-27T08:59:58Z")
> [@Deeg](#): > > We should stop giving Greene free publicity and just ignore her. > [@Yookeroo](#): > > I say we do everything we can to make her the face of the GQP. The more publicity, the better. …I don’t really think there is a right or wrong answer here? To a degree neither approach matters. Everybody is locked into their own information bubble. So playing to your base is important. And there are ideas that I don’t believe can be safely ignored. I’m seeing America getting hit by a wave of transphobic nonsense. Its the kind of stuff that has overtaken the UK, and if you let that happen in America things won’t end well. That kind of rhetoric should be loudly denounced every time it comes up no matter who is saying it. So you just can’t ignore this stuff. However that doesn’t mean “the more publicity the better.” You don’t need to make her the face of the GOP. She already is the face of the GOP. The old GOP is dead. Millions of people voted for this. ---
**Author:** ![Riemann](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/riemann/32/3133_2.png) [@Riemann](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Riemann)\ **Post date:** [February 27, 2021, 9:42am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/congresswoman-marjorie-taylor-greene-must-go/931895/221 "2021-02-27T09:42:10Z")
> [@DesertDog](#): > > She needs to be shown some infants with ambiguous genitalia. I don’t think this is really the point, since this is biological sex, not gender. Biological sex is extremely bimodal, i.e. cases like this and AIS are very rare, it is really very close to two discrete categories. I don’t think the problem with MTG (or a great many less batshit insane people who have difficulty with this) is a denial that there are rare cases of biological sex that don’t fit a discrete binary distribution. And it’s easy to argue that these are simply cases of dysfunction. The issue lies with not understanding the concepts of gender identity and gender expression, appreciating how these are _not_ just genetically determined properties that map rigidly to biological sex. And that while all aspects of gender are also distinctly bimodal, there is much greater diversity and a continuously variable distribution rather than two discrete categories. ---
**Author:** ![thorny\_locust](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/thorny_locust/32/431_2.png) [@thorny\_locust](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/thorny_locust)\ **Post date:** [February 27, 2021, 2:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/congresswoman-marjorie-taylor-greene-must-go/931895/222 "2021-02-27T14:36:02Z")
> [@Riemann](#): > > while all aspects of gender are also distinctly bimodal, there is much greater diversity and a continuously variable distribution rather than two discrete categories They also often aren’t aligned in any particular individual – that is, if you take say 14 traits that are bimodal by gender, any particular individual even if cis is very likely to have one or more of them on which they’re in the ‘other’ gender’s range. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/congresswoman-marjorie-taylor-greene-must-go/931895.md?page=10) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/congresswoman-marjorie-taylor-greene-must-go/931895.md?page=12)