# "Conservative" Beliefs **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [April 29, 2009, 7:27am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/conservative-beliefs/494713 "2009-04-29T07:27:56Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![Boyo\_Jim](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/87869e/32.png) [@Boyo\_Jim](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Boyo_Jim)\ **Post date:** [April 29, 2009, 1:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/conservative-beliefs/494713/21 "2009-04-29T13:46:35Z")
> [@MrDibble](#): > > … and there are ways to use the tarot that don’t involve mysticism at all. … Is there a tarot version of poker or blackjack? ---
**Author:** ![jayjay](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jayjay/32/6765_2.png) [@jayjay](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jayjay)\ **Post date:** [April 29, 2009, 1:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/conservative-beliefs/494713/22 "2009-04-29T13:51:47Z")
> [@Boyo\_Jim](#): > > Is there a tarot version of poker or blackjack? With mild rules variations and the removal of the major arcana, a tarot deck is pretty much the same as a regular deck of playing cards. Four suits (Cups, Wands, Swords, and Coins), Ace through King. The only difference is the addition of one court card for each suit, the Knight, so you’d have to incorporate that into scoring. For games in which a card’s suit is meaningful, Cups=Hearts, Wands=Clubs, Swords=Spades, and Coins=Diamonds. ---
**Author:** ![tdn](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/94ad74/32.png) [@tdn](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/tdn)\ **Post date:** [April 29, 2009, 1:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/conservative-beliefs/494713/23 "2009-04-29T13:52:15Z")
> [@Boyo\_Jim](#): > > Is there a tarot version of poker or blackjack? You’d probably have to take out the major arcana. Unless you can tell me if The Hanged Man beats The Hierophant. ---
**Author:** ![jayjay](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jayjay/32/6765_2.png) [@jayjay](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jayjay)\ **Post date:** [April 29, 2009, 1:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/conservative-beliefs/494713/24 "2009-04-29T13:55:40Z")
> [@tdn](#): > > You’d probably have to take out the major arcana. > > Unless you can tell me if The Hanged Man beats The Hierophant. Actually, the Hierophant beats the Hanged Man. The combination is called The Pinata. Okay, just kidding… 😃 ---
**Author:** ![tdn](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/94ad74/32.png) [@tdn](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/tdn)\ **Post date:** [April 29, 2009, 2:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/conservative-beliefs/494713/25 "2009-04-29T14:03:31Z")
OK, but what beats Wheel of Fortune? Jeopardy! ---
**Author:** ![Freddy\_the\_Pig](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/a587f6/32.png) [@Freddy\_the\_Pig](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Freddy_the_Pig)\ **Post date:** [April 29, 2009, 2:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/conservative-beliefs/494713/26 "2009-04-29T14:05:07Z")
> [@bobo t](#): > > But, for the most part, the people who are skeptical of this, proudly believe that Jesus was crucified, died, and rose from the dead. Then, body and all, ascended into “Heaven”. Incredibly enough, Barack Obama believes all those things, too. ---
**Author:** ![Captain\_Carrot](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/f0a364/32.png) [@Captain\_Carrot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Captain_Carrot)\ **Post date:** [April 29, 2009, 2:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/conservative-beliefs/494713/27 "2009-04-29T14:05:31Z")
> [@Spit](#): > > For the same reasons that people think we can have government welfare programs, government health services, government “bailouts”- Yet not lose any privacy, freedoms, or become a country of people unwilling to work. > > People are universally irrational. If you don’t think most people are ashamed to ask for those things, you have no idea how people work. ---
**Author:** ![Polycarp](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/82dd89/32.png) [@Polycarp](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Polycarp)\ **Post date:** [April 29, 2009, 2:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/conservative-beliefs/494713/28 "2009-04-29T14:10:29Z")
> [@Ukulele\_Ike](#): > > …and the Tarot deck is an amazing encyclopedia of the human subconscious. Also a terrific work of art, if you choose the right one. > > But that Jesus stuff, you’re right, it’s hard to take. Yeah… all that preachin’ love and brotherhood, and never wore no shoes! 😉 ---
**Author:** ![Mr.Moto](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/9de0a6/32.png) [@Mr.Moto](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mr.Moto)\ **Post date:** [April 29, 2009, 2:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/conservative-beliefs/494713/29 "2009-04-29T14:12:20Z")
> [@Jack\_Batty](#): > > Oh yeah. Well you’re ugly. And I’ll be sober in the morning. Well, maybe not. ---
**Author:** ![Zulema](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/z/db5fbb/32.png) [@Zulema](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Zulema)\ **Post date:** [April 29, 2009, 2:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/conservative-beliefs/494713/30 "2009-04-29T14:12:42Z")
Any time this comes up about people believing the unlikely as part of their religion all I can think is that just the fact that there is ANYTHING is pretty mind bending. The only thing that would make sense is if there was nothing anywhere. ---
**Author:** ![Spit](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/76d3ee/32.png) [@Spit](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Spit)\ **Post date:** [April 29, 2009, 2:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/conservative-beliefs/494713/31 "2009-04-29T14:14:27Z")
> [@Captain\_Carrot](#): > > If you don’t think most people are ashamed to ask for those things, you have no idea how people work. If you don’t think less people are ashamed as time marches forward, you have no idea how people work. ---
**Author:** ![Binarydrone](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/3da27b/32.png) [@Binarydrone](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Binarydrone)\ **Post date:** [April 29, 2009, 2:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/conservative-beliefs/494713/32 "2009-04-29T14:21:30Z")
> [@jayjay](#): > > You misspelled “racist”. Huh? The jerk store called and the’re running out of you??? ---
**Author:** ![jayjay](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jayjay/32/6765_2.png) [@jayjay](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jayjay)\ **Post date:** [April 29, 2009, 2:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/conservative-beliefs/494713/33 "2009-04-29T14:33:17Z")
> [@Binarydrone](#): > > Huh? The jerk store called and the’re running out of you??? 😕 Are you familiar with **Lonesome Polecat** ’s beliefs as concern immigrants (legal OR illegal)? He’s one of those “We must preserve our sacred Western civilization against the ravages of the mud-people” Pat Buchanan type thinkers. ---
**Author:** ![Clothahump](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/51bf81/32.png) [@Clothahump](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Clothahump)\ **Post date:** [April 29, 2009, 2:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/conservative-beliefs/494713/34 "2009-04-29T14:37:05Z")
> [@bobo t](#): > > How could someone be skeptical of a logical enough idea, and yet blindly profess to believing something nonsensical? Hmmmm…are you saying that only conservatives have religious beliefs? Because I’m conservative and I’m agnostic. And I know a bunch of liberal bible-beaters. ---
**Author:** ![Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/e8c25b/32.png) [@Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Really_Not_All_That_Bright)\ **Post date:** [April 29, 2009, 2:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/conservative-beliefs/494713/35 "2009-04-29T14:41:00Z")
Jesus was a liberal, you know. Of course, it’s entirely possible that he didn’t fall for his own schtick. ---
**Author:** ![SteveG1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/bb73d2/32.png) [@SteveG1](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SteveG1)\ **Post date:** [April 29, 2009, 2:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/conservative-beliefs/494713/36 "2009-04-29T14:54:48Z")
> [@CircleofWillis](#): > > My confusion comes in the title of the OP. “Conservative” beliefs = believes in the zombie Jesus? Is “conservative” used as a broad brush political swipe? or a broad brush religious swipe? CUz I have not seen the word “conservative” used to mean Christian before. They are not mutually inclusive as far as I knew. Where have you been the past (mumble mumble) years? In a cave? If we are talking about the “conservative movement” in general politics, a certain brand of conservativism has been tied to a certain brand of fundamentalist religiosity for a long long long time. Reagan and the Moral Majority (Falwell). Bush and the “religious right”. Use the wayback machine and take a trip to the Scopes monkey trial. They’ve generally gone hand in hand. As for me, I don’t worry about zombie jesus or raptor Jesus or any of that anymore, because whenever some TV preacher or politician starts spouting their version of Gawd, my bullshit detector goes crazy. Because it’s just a bunch of bullshit. Name dropping Gawd for personal gain. ---
**Author:** ![Binarydrone](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/3da27b/32.png) [@Binarydrone](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Binarydrone)\ **Post date:** [April 29, 2009, 2:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/conservative-beliefs/494713/37 "2009-04-29T14:54:54Z")
> [@jayjay](#): > > 😕 > > Are you familiar with **Lonesome Polecat** ’s beliefs as concern immigrants (legal OR illegal)? He’s one of those “We must preserve our sacred Western civilization against the ravages of the mud-people” Pat Buchanan type thinkers. That sounds a familiar but to be honest he has not made much of an impact on me as a poster. So I was confused because I did not see that in this thread. And to be fair, those mud people do need to be watched. I hear that they all have huge tally-whackers and want to take our wimmins. 😛 ---
**Author:** ![Nancarrow](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/c37758/32.png) [@Nancarrow](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Nancarrow)\ **Post date:** [April 29, 2009, 2:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/conservative-beliefs/494713/38 "2009-04-29T14:58:31Z")
> [@Clothahump](#): > > Hmmmm…are you saying that only conservatives have religious beliefs? Because I’m conservative and I’m agnostic. And I know a bunch of liberal bible-beaters. Logic 101 Exercise: identify which of Clothahump’s two statements falsifies the proposition in the question, and which does not. (as for the single-bit political classification scheme, well, frankly, almost everyone in America, I say to you… I give up. You win. Enjoy supporting your red :mad: or blue ☹ football team, as the case may be) (in fact, kudos to the OP, I definitely got the vibe that your use of “scare quotes” was intended to display the vacuity of such a political label. A point lost on most people of course) ---
**Author:** ![Mr.Moto](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/9de0a6/32.png) [@Mr.Moto](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mr.Moto)\ **Post date:** [April 29, 2009, 3:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/conservative-beliefs/494713/39 "2009-04-29T15:14:49Z")
> [@SteveG1](#): > > If we are talking about the “conservative movement” in general politics, a certain brand of conservativism has been tied to a certain brand of fundamentalist religiosity for a long long long time. Reagan and the Moral Majority (Falwell). Bush and the “religious right”. Use the wayback machine and take a trip to the Scopes monkey trial. They’ve generally gone hand in hand. Your history is a bit off there. William Jennings Bryan was quite religious and certainly was one of the leading anti-Darwinists of his day, but he was no conservative. He came from the populist tradition in American politics and indeed his name is most identified with this movement. Anti-imperialism, free coinage of silver, anti-corporatism, trust busting - these weren’t naturally conservative positions, but they were populist ones and they were causes he championed. And it should be noted that he ran for president three times as a Democrat and served in the Wilson cabinet. Wilson was no conservative either. Maybe you should hop in the wayback machine and brush up on all of this. ---
**Author:** ![lavenderviolet](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/cdc98d/32.png) [@lavenderviolet](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/lavenderviolet)\ **Post date:** [April 29, 2009, 3:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/conservative-beliefs/494713/40 "2009-04-29T15:42:42Z")
> [@Captain\_Carrot](#): > > If you don’t think most people are ashamed to ask for those things, you have no idea how people work. Feeling degraded every day at some low-end job could very easily outweigh the “shame” of getting handouts, and make it easy to just not even try. My laziness definitely outweighs my concern about what others think about me, so if you want to send some money my way, you can think I’m a lazy bum all you want! [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/conservative-beliefs/494713.md?page=1) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/conservative-beliefs/494713.md?page=3)