# "Conservative" Beliefs **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [April 29, 2009, 7:27am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/conservative-beliefs/494713 "2009-04-29T07:27:56Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 3
**Author:** ![Ogre](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/ecb155/32.png) [@Ogre](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ogre)\ **Post date:** [April 29, 2009, 4:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/conservative-beliefs/494713/41 "2009-04-29T16:30:03Z")
> [@jayjay](#): > > šŸ˜• > > Are you familiar with **Lonesome Polecat** ā€™s beliefs as concern immigrants (legal OR illegal)? Heā€™s one of those ā€œWe must preserve our sacred Western civilization against the ravages of the mud-peopleā€ Pat Buchanan type thinkers. lnk plz? ---
**Author:** ![buttonjockey308](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/bcef8e/32.png) [@buttonjockey308](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/buttonjockey308)\ **Post date:** [April 29, 2009, 4:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/conservative-beliefs/494713/42 "2009-04-29T16:43:20Z")
> [@lavenderviolet](#): > > Feeling degraded every day at some low-end job could very easily outweigh the ā€œshameā€ of getting handouts, and make it easy to just not even try. > My laziness definitely outweighs my concern about what others think about me, so if you want to send some money my way, you can think Iā€™m a lazy bum all you want! Sadly, there are a LOT of people who think JUST like you. Fact is, there is a mile and a foot between NEEDING help from time to time and having the ā€˜helpā€™ be your only and ever source of familial income. No one should feel shame about needing a hand UP, but accepting a constant hand OUT is another story. ---
**Author:** ![MeanOldLady](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/meanoldlady/32/10737_2.png) [@MeanOldLady](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MeanOldLady)\ **Post date:** [April 29, 2009, 4:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/conservative-beliefs/494713/43 "2009-04-29T16:49:07Z")
> [@madmonk28](#): > > What I donā€™t get is even for people who donā€™t think that humans influence global warming, donā€™t they understand that besides global warming there are all kinds of negative impacts from pollution? The anti global warming crowd pretty much have to adopt a pro-pollution stance and I just donā€™t understand it. Right. When I somehow find myself engaging with these types of people, I cut through all the high-minded sciencey elitist crap and get to the point. So letā€™s just agree that man-caused global warming is a liberal conspiracy invented by Al Gore in order to take our SUVees, this means we should pollute the crap out of the planet becauseā€¦? ---
**Author:** ![jayjay](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jayjay/32/6765_2.png) [@jayjay](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jayjay)\ **Post date:** [April 29, 2009, 4:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/conservative-beliefs/494713/44 "2009-04-29T16:58:29Z")
> [@Ogre](#): > > lnk plz? [Here](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=10349839&postcount=106). God, I never want to wrestle with our shitpot of a search function againā€¦ ---
**Author:** ![Lord\_Ashtar](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/7ea924/32.png) [@Lord\_Ashtar](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lord_Ashtar)\ **Post date:** [April 29, 2009, 5:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/conservative-beliefs/494713/45 "2009-04-29T17:57:34Z")
> [@CircleofWillis](#): > > Is ā€œconservativeā€ used as a broad brush political swipe? or a broad brush religious swipe? Around here? Both. ---
**Author:** ![Ogre](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/ecb155/32.png) [@Ogre](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ogre)\ **Post date:** [April 29, 2009, 6:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/conservative-beliefs/494713/46 "2009-04-29T18:04:05Z")
> [@jayjay](#): > > [Here](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=10349839&postcount=106). > > God, I never want to wrestle with our shitpot of a search function againā€¦ I appreciate the effort. Thanks. ---
**Author:** ![Captain\_Amazing](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/6de8d8/32.png) [@Captain\_Amazing](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Captain_Amazing)\ **Post date:** [April 29, 2009, 6:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/conservative-beliefs/494713/47 "2009-04-29T18:09:08Z")
> [@tdn](#): > > Youā€™d probably have to take out the major arcana. > > Unless you can tell me if The Hanged Man beats The Hierophant. Hereā€™s a list of games played with a tarot deck: > **[Card Games: Tarot Games](https://www.pagat.com/tarot/)** > > Index page for games played with tarot (tarok, tarocchi) cards in various countries with with links to detailed rules. ---
**Author:** ![sqweels](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/f19dbf/32.png) [@sqweels](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/sqweels)\ **Post date:** [April 29, 2009, 6:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/conservative-beliefs/494713/48 "2009-04-29T18:15:17Z")
> [@CircleofWillis](#): > > My confusion comes in the title of the OP. ā€œConservativeā€ beliefs = believes in the zombie Jesus? Is ā€œconservativeā€ used as a broad brush political swipe? or a broad brush religious swipe? CUz I have not seen the word ā€œconservativeā€ used to mean Christian before. They are not mutually inclusive as far as I knew. If you accept a particular traditional religious belief without skepticism, then you are being conservative on that particuar issue. ---
**Author:** ![Mr.Moto](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/9de0a6/32.png) [@Mr.Moto](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mr.Moto)\ **Post date:** [April 29, 2009, 6:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/conservative-beliefs/494713/49 "2009-04-29T18:37:31Z")
> [@sqweels](#): > > If you accept a particular traditional religious belief without skepticism, then you are being conservative on that particuar issue. I donā€™t know how far we can take this, frankly. After all, there is typically a delineation made between a personā€™s public and private life - and while a person who is conservative and religious in their home life is sometimes a political conservative, this is often not the case. Mike Dukakis comes to mind here - he was an observant of a very traditional religion, was a veteran and an Eagle Scout, was married one time. He was thrifty to the point of ironing his own shirts when he was governor. Now, is this any indication of creeping conservatism, or just indications of a sedate and moderate lifestyle? He certainly wasnā€™t any kind of political conservative. ---
**Author:** ![ElvisL1ves](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/5daacb/32.png) [@ElvisL1ves](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ElvisL1ves)\ **Post date:** [April 29, 2009, 6:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/conservative-beliefs/494713/50 "2009-04-29T18:41:52Z")
> [@Mr.Moto](#): > > After all, there is typically a delineation made between a personā€™s public and private life Not during the last Democratic administration, there wasnā€™t. ---
**Author:** ![Mr.Moto](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/9de0a6/32.png) [@Mr.Moto](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mr.Moto)\ **Post date:** [April 29, 2009, 6:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/conservative-beliefs/494713/51 "2009-04-29T18:56:12Z")
> [@ElvisL1ves](#): > > Not during the last Democratic administration, there wasnā€™t. Well, there might have been had that matter been kept private. šŸ˜‰ But in any case that is a separate discussion much hashed out here, and probably not worth revisiting now. ---
**Author:** ![palindromemordnilap](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/db5fbb/32.png) [@palindromemordnilap](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/palindromemordnilap)\ **Post date:** [April 29, 2009, 8:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/conservative-beliefs/494713/52 "2009-04-29T20:01:26Z")
Itā€™s understandable but too bad that words like ā€œconservativeā€ and ā€œreligiousā€ get loaded up with a lot of baggage. I would generally describe myself as liberal but there are some liberal ideas I completely disagree with and some traditionally conservative positions I agree with. On many issues I think both Democrats and Republicans are full of BS and I donā€™t feel that either side represents my viewpoint. I would definitely describe myself as non-religious and donā€™t believe the supernatural episodes in the Old or New Testament really happened, but I find the lessons and parables of Jesus inspiring and try to follow many of them in my daily life. Surely people of faith can hold varying degrees of skepticism about certain events or interpret passages as they like. If faith was meant to be adherence to literal truth based on laboratory evidence, it would be science. Iā€™m not concerned about people who have beliefs that seem incredible to me if they label those beliefs as faith. Iā€™m more concerned about people who believe every scientific ā€œfactā€ as gospel, when experience shows that science is constantly correcting itself. Just ask the planet formerly known as Pluto. ---
**Author:** ![SteveG1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/bb73d2/32.png) [@SteveG1](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SteveG1)\ **Post date:** [April 29, 2009, 9:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/conservative-beliefs/494713/53 "2009-04-29T21:25:41Z")
> [@Mr.Moto](#): > > Your history is a bit off there. William Jennings Bryan was quite religious and certainly was one of the leading anti-Darwinists of his day, but he was no conservative. He came from the populist tradition in American politics and indeed his name is most identified with this movement. > > Anti-imperialism, free coinage of silver, anti-corporatism, trust busting - these werenā€™t naturally conservative positions, but they were populist ones and they were causes he championed. And it should be noted that he ran for president three times as a Democrat and served in the Wilson cabinet. Wilson was no conservative either. > > Maybe you should hop in the wayback machine and brush up on all of this. Maybe so. Thatā€™s what I get for making a blanket statement. ---
**Author:** ![CircleofWillis](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/54ee81/32.png) [@CircleofWillis](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/CircleofWillis)\ **Post date:** [April 29, 2009, 9:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/conservative-beliefs/494713/54 "2009-04-29T21:38:34Z")
> [@Lord\_Ashtar](#): > > Around here? Both. Consider my ignorance on the cultural ignorance foughtā€¦ ---
**Author:** ![ElvisL1ves](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/5daacb/32.png) [@ElvisL1ves](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ElvisL1ves)\ **Post date:** [April 29, 2009, 10:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/conservative-beliefs/494713/55 "2009-04-29T22:53:42Z")
> [@Mr.Moto](#): > > Well, there might have been had that matter been kept private. šŸ˜‰ It just sorta became public all by itself, didnā€™t it? > [@](#): > > But in any case that is a separate discussion much hashed out here, and probably not worth revisiting now. Would you think that way if it hadnā€™t contradicted your placid, complacent little assertion? ---
**Author:** ![LouisB](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/dfb087/32.png) [@LouisB](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/LouisB)\ **Post date:** [April 29, 2009, 11:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/conservative-beliefs/494713/56 "2009-04-29T23:25:08Z")
> [@MrDibble](#): > > Neither of those things\* necessarily\* indicate a lack of critical thinking skills. **Being a freemason can help one advance socially and professionally, so one can be a member & not take it seriously** , and there are ways to use the tarot that donā€™t involve mysticism at all. Of course, I donā€™t know your relative, so Iā€™m just making a general point here, not defending him specifically. Bolding mine. This is absolutely untrue and reveals your lack of knowledge concerning the Masonic fraternity. It would be nice if people did not post drivel as being factual without absolute proof that they are speaking the truth and not drive. If you are able to provide evidence to support your ill informed declaration, please do so bearing in mind that anecdotes do not equal data. There is nothing in Freemasonry that prohibits the use of tarot cards, other than common sense and a lack of belief in the occult. ---
**Author:** ![Don\_t\_Call\_Me\_Shirley](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/f4b2a3/32.png) [@Don\_t\_Call\_Me\_Shirley](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Don_t_Call_Me_Shirley)\ **Post date:** [May 1, 2009, 7:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/conservative-beliefs/494713/57 "2009-05-01T19:26:27Z")
> [@Freddy\_the\_Pig](#): > > Incredibly enough, Barack Obama believes all those things, too. I donā€™t believe that for a second. I think he just knows he has to say it to get elected to anything in this country. ---
**Author:** ![LonesomePolecat](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/a88e57/32.png) [@LonesomePolecat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/LonesomePolecat)\ **Post date:** [May 1, 2009, 7:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/conservative-beliefs/494713/58 "2009-05-01T19:37:52Z")
> [@jayjay](#): > > You misspelled ā€œracistā€. So youā€™re not only stupid, you canā€™t spell either? ---
**Author:** ![LonesomePolecat](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/a88e57/32.png) [@LonesomePolecat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/LonesomePolecat)\ **Post date:** [May 1, 2009, 7:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/conservative-beliefs/494713/59 "2009-05-01T19:41:14Z")
> [@jayjay](#): > > šŸ˜• > > Are you familiar with **Lonesome Polecat** ā€™s beliefs as concern immigrants (legal OR illegal)? Heā€™s one of those ā€œWe must preserve our sacred Western civilization against the ravages of the mud-peopleā€ Pat Buchanan type thinkers. Iā€™m one of those people who believes that weā€™re turning the United States into a banana republic, and uncontrolled immigration is a major factor in that transformation. I take a great deal of satisfaction in the fact that youā€™re unable to give a rational response to anything I actually say. ---
**Author:** ![jayjay](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jayjay/32/6765_2.png) [@jayjay](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jayjay)\ **Post date:** [May 1, 2009, 7:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/conservative-beliefs/494713/60 "2009-05-01T19:41:58Z")
> [@LonesomePolecat](#): > > So youā€™re not only stupid, you canā€™t spell either? No, I think I hit that right on the mark. You can deny it all you want, but your rage against all the brown people immigrating to the US and destroying our precious white European civilization speaks very clearly for you. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/conservative-beliefs/494713.md?page=2) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/conservative-beliefs/494713.md?page=4)