# Conservative radio hosts gets waterboarded **URL:** \ **Category:** Great Debates\ **Created:** [May 22, 2009, 10:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/conservative-radio-hosts-gets-waterboarded/497343 "2009-05-22T22:19:49Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 3
**Author:** ![carnivorousplant](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carnivorousplant/32/3563_2.png) [@carnivorousplant](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/carnivorousplant)\ **Post date:** [May 23, 2009, 1:55am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/conservative-radio-hosts-gets-waterboarded/497343/41 "2009-05-23T01:55:35Z")
> [@Brown\_Eyed\_Girl](#): > > That ticking is merely an illusion. Cheney is actually Undead and he can breathe water like that little rat in The Abyss. So, clearly waterboarding him would merely be entertainment for the masses who will pay money to imagine what it would be like to torture the bastard. So, let’s waterboard him with boiling oil, or melted lead. Yes, like Gilbert & SUllivan, I’m sure boiling oil comes into it somewhere. ---
**Author:** ![Captain\_Carrot](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/f0a364/32.png) [@Captain\_Carrot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Captain_Carrot)\ **Post date:** [May 23, 2009, 2:00am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/conservative-radio-hosts-gets-waterboarded/497343/42 "2009-05-23T02:00:46Z")
> [@carnivorousplant](#): > > Hell, I’d pay money for a darroguette of Cheney being waterboarded. Do you possibly mean a daguerreotype? ---
**Author:** ![carnivorousplant](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carnivorousplant/32/3563_2.png) [@carnivorousplant](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/carnivorousplant)\ **Post date:** [May 23, 2009, 2:10am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/conservative-radio-hosts-gets-waterboarded/497343/43 "2009-05-23T02:10:22Z")
> [@Captain\_Carrot](#): > > Do you possibly mean a daguerreotype? Hey, Google liked it. Thanks 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![pulykamell](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/pulykamell/32/3166_2.png) [@pulykamell](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/pulykamell)\ **Post date:** [May 23, 2009, 2:26am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/conservative-radio-hosts-gets-waterboarded/497343/44 "2009-05-23T02:26:06Z")
> [@Doctor\_Who](#): > > Can I ask a question? > > It’s been a long time since I listened to Mancow, but since when is he a conservative? I’ve always thought he was just an absolute shock jock. Say anything and everything to get a reaction. More like Howard Stern than Rush Limbaugh. Did I miss something? He definitely swings from the more conservative side of the plate, but his show, at least the last I heard it years ago, was definitely more shockjock stuff than politics, although he does throw some politics into the mix. [Here’s quotes](http://www.theadvocates.org/celebrities/mancow-muller.html) that self-identify him as a conservative, libertarian, and Republican, take your pick. ---
**Author:** ![Scissorjack](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/c67d28/32.png) [@Scissorjack](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Scissorjack)\ **Post date:** [May 23, 2009, 3:06am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/conservative-radio-hosts-gets-waterboarded/497343/45 "2009-05-23T03:06:14Z")
> [@you\_with\_the\_face](#): > > Cheney couldn’t last 1 second with that ticker of his. [Judge Death] You cannot kill what does not live. [/Judge Death] ---
**Author:** ![Imasquare](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/5f9b8f/32.png) [@Imasquare](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Imasquare)\ **Post date:** [May 23, 2009, 6:29am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/conservative-radio-hosts-gets-waterboarded/497343/46 "2009-05-23T06:29:23Z")
> [@Lobohan](#): > > I suspect that the Republican Base will ignore this as they have a strong immunity to facts. Even though Mancow was taken by surprise I suspect most of them know that it is torture and that they approve of using torture. Idealogues are sick, mean spirited people. ---
**Author:** ![Paul\_in\_Qatar](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/ccd318/32.png) [@Paul\_in\_Qatar](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Paul_in_Qatar)\ **Post date:** [May 23, 2009, 6:50am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/conservative-radio-hosts-gets-waterboarded/497343/47 "2009-05-23T06:50:15Z")
> [@Stealth\_Potato](#): > > Frankly, I’m impressed that he had the courage to go through with it, and the candor to admit that he was wrong afterwards. That much is good, at least! Agreed. ---
**Author:** ![Starving\_Artist](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/aeb1de/32.png) [@Starving\_Artist](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Starving_Artist)\ **Post date:** [May 23, 2009, 7:10am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/conservative-radio-hosts-gets-waterboarded/497343/48 "2009-05-23T07:10:10Z")
> [@Brown\_Eyed\_Girl](#): > > My first thought was that I would love to see Cheney getting waterboard on youtube. > [@LouisB](#): > > I’d like to see Cheney waterboarded until he threw in the towel, so to speak, and then for an additional fifteen seconds. Three times running. > [@carnivorousplant](#): > > Hell, I’d pay money for a darroguette of Cheney being waterboarded. It’s interesting to see all you people who are so horrified by the prospect of torture when it comes to ferreting out information from terrorists in order to save the lives of innocent people are so gleeful and desirous of torturing a politician guilty of far less. I’d wager that if the waterboarding of terrorists went on under Bill Clinton or Barack Obama’s auspices, we’d: a) never heard of it to begin with, or b) find that no one considers it a big deal, because Clinton and Obama are your guys. As evidence I point to the way that Ted Kennedy and Bill Clinton were let off the hook by the left for their treatment of women, and the way that Hillary Clinton and Barack Obama have been let off the hook by the left for their stated opposition to same-sex marriage. You guys don’t get nearly as cranked over these issues when it’s your guys who are the miscreants. Thus it’s hard to believe your outrage is little more than partisan rhetoric, especially in light of some of the comments in this thread. ---
**Author:** ![Lynn\_Bodoni](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/e47c2d/32.png) [@Lynn\_Bodoni](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lynn_Bodoni)\ **Post date:** [May 23, 2009, 7:15am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/conservative-radio-hosts-gets-waterboarded/497343/49 "2009-05-23T07:15:38Z")
> [@Marley23](#): > > Yeah. But the only way the terms of the debate will change is if every conservative talk show host in the country gets waterboarded, and- > > Hmm. > > We’re gonna need a bigger waterboard. Waterboard them until they admit Karl Marx was right, and pledge to renounce their ways. They must also sign up for ACLU membership. What can I say? Sometimes my mind works in twisty ways. ---
**Author:** ![bobot](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bobot/32/21622_2.png) [@bobot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bobot)\ **Post date:** [May 23, 2009, 7:36am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/conservative-radio-hosts-gets-waterboarded/497343/50 "2009-05-23T07:36:11Z")
> [@Doctor\_Who](#): > > Can I ask a question? > > It’s been a long time since I listened to Mancow, but since when is he a conservative? I’ve always thought he was just an absolute shock jock. Say anything and everything to get a reaction. More like Howard Stern than Rush Limbaugh. Did I miss something? Now that he’s on WLS, he’s a “Conservative”. ---
**Author:** ![Equipoise](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/equipoise/32/151_2.png) [@Equipoise](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Equipoise)\ **Post date:** [May 23, 2009, 7:47am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/conservative-radio-hosts-gets-waterboarded/497343/51 "2009-05-23T07:47:43Z")
BUT CLINTON GOT A BLOW JOB!!! Don’t you people understand???!!! THAT’S WHAT’S IMPORTANT!!! Personally, I’d like to see Liz Cheney give waterboarding a whirl. We’ll see how fast Dicko backtracks. ---
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [May 23, 2009, 7:52am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/conservative-radio-hosts-gets-waterboarded/497343/52 "2009-05-23T07:52:04Z")
> [@Starving\_Artist](#): > > It’s interesting to see all you people who are so horrified by the prospect of torture when it comes to ferreting out information from terrorists in order to save the lives of innocent people are so gleeful and desirous of torturing a politician guilty of far less. 1. How do you know that _everyone_ who was waterboarded was a terrorist? 2. What is your cite that information was gathered by this method that saved innocent lives? 3. What is your cite that _everyone_ who was waterboarded was more guilty than Cheney? 4. Have you ever heard the phrase “Innocent until proven guilty”, and if not, would you like us to explain it to you? > [@Starving\_Artist](#): > > I’d wager that if the waterboarding of terrorists went on under Bill Clinton or Barack Obama’s auspices, we’d: a) never heard of it to begin with, or b) find that no one considers it a big deal, because Clinton and Obama are your guys. Do you consider “It’s o.k. if we do something despicable, because you guys would probably do the same thing!” to be a valid defense? > [@Starving\_Artist](#): > > As evidence I point to the way that Ted Kennedy and Bill Clinton were let off the hook by the left for their treatment of women, and the way that Hillary Clinton and Barack Obama have been let off the hook by the left for their stated opposition to same-sex marriage. Is this your entry for a “Non-Sequitur Of The Year” contest that you accidentally posted in this thread? ---
**Author:** ![Starving\_Artist](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/aeb1de/32.png) [@Starving\_Artist](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Starving_Artist)\ **Post date:** [May 23, 2009, 8:07am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/conservative-radio-hosts-gets-waterboarded/497343/53 "2009-05-23T08:07:52Z")
> [@Equipoise](#): > > BUT CLINTON GOT A BLOW JOB!!! > Don’t you people understand???!!! > THAT’S WHAT’S IMPORTANT!!!. I wasn’t talking about the blowjob, dear. Remember how Billie used the Arkansas Highway Procure…uh, Patrol as a procurement service? How he dropped trou in front of strange women to show his intentions? How he destroyed the reputations of women he’d propositioned, his standard response to “bimbo eruptions”. How he and his aides referred to women as bimbos to begin with? Now we can talk about the blow job (and why do you always act like he only got one? There were likely dozens at the very least…and by numerous donors). I can only imagine the feminist outrage if it came to light that some Republican politician was soliciting interns forblowjobs and sticking cigars into their nether regions. Talk about the objectification of women and abuse of a power position! No, I wasn’t talking about the blowjob, sweetie. I regard it as merely a peripheral offense. It’s Clinton’s history of behavior toward women that I, a conservative no less, find objectionable whereas the usual suspects on the left remain utterly silent. ---
**Author:** ![Starving\_Artist](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/aeb1de/32.png) [@Starving\_Artist](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Starving_Artist)\ **Post date:** [May 23, 2009, 8:28am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/conservative-radio-hosts-gets-waterboarded/497343/54 "2009-05-23T08:28:38Z")
> [@Czarcasm](#): > > 1. How do you know that _everyone_ who was waterboarded was a terrorist? I don’t. > [@Czarcasm](#): > > 1. What is your cite that information was gathered by this method that saved innocent lives? I have none. > [@Czarcasm](#): > > 1. What is your cite that _everyone_ who was waterboarded was more guilty than Cheney? I have none, though there is no question that Khalid Sheikh Mohammed, the mastermind of 9/11 (and one of only the three or four people known to have been waterboarded) certainly was. Even at 183 times he got off light, IMO. Waterboarding is certainly not equivalent to death, so even if he got doused 2,000 times he’d still be much better off than the 2,000 people he killed. > [@Czarcasm](#): > > 1. Have you ever heard the phrase “Innocent until proven guilty”, and if not, would you like us to explain it to you? Sure. And while you’re at it, you might want to explain to **Brown Eyed Girl** , **LouisB** and **carnivorousplant** that Cheney has not even been charged with a crime, much less convicted. And even if he were convicted, is it your opinion that he _should_ be tortured? I thought there was never an excuse for torture. I know I’ve read that hundreds of times around here. Why aren’t you going after the posters here who clearly (and no doubt honestly) want to see physical pain visited upon Dick Cheney instead of going after me? As it is you appear to be proving my point that behavior which is described as unforgivable when it comes to conservatives is viewed as being hunky-dory when it comes from liberals. > [@Czarcasm](#): > > Do you consider “It’s o.k. if we do something despicable, because you guys would probably do the same thing!” to be a valid defense? No, but then that wasn’t my point. My point was that all the whinging that goes on around here about how horrible torture is rings hollow in light of some of the comments in this thread, which have not only gone unchallenged but been more or less cheered on. > [@Czarcasm](#): > > Is this your entry for a “Non-Sequitur Of The Year” contest that you accidentally posted in this thread? I may be guilty of many things, but accidentally posting in threads isn’t one of them. ---
**Author:** ![SciFiSam](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/47e85d/32.png) [@SciFiSam](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SciFiSam)\ **Post date:** [May 23, 2009, 8:29am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/conservative-radio-hosts-gets-waterboarded/497343/55 "2009-05-23T08:29:02Z")
> [@Starving\_Artist](#): > > It’s interesting to see all you people who are so horrified by the prospect of torture when it comes to ferreting out information from terrorists in order to save the lives of innocent people are so gleeful and desirous of torturing a politician guilty of far less. You don’t really think they were serious, do you? ---
**Author:** ![Equipoise](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/equipoise/32/151_2.png) [@Equipoise](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Equipoise)\ **Post date:** [May 23, 2009, 8:37am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/conservative-radio-hosts-gets-waterboarded/497343/56 "2009-05-23T08:37:07Z")
(Edit to add, this is directed to SA, of course, not scifisam2009) You really have no idea how you come off, do you? Right wing cognitive dissonance is a fascinating thing, awesome in its power to make you forget or ignore what people have said to you in the past, and harp on topics that have nothing to do with the subject at hand so as to change the subject and distract people (yeah, like me). As a reminder, do please try to work in Vince Foster somewhere in your sure-to-be-continued off-topic derailment of this thread. I’d be ever so disappointed if you forgot. ---
**Author:** ![Starving\_Artist](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/aeb1de/32.png) [@Starving\_Artist](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Starving_Artist)\ **Post date:** [May 23, 2009, 8:39am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/conservative-radio-hosts-gets-waterboarded/497343/57 "2009-05-23T08:39:01Z")
I think that there are a significant number of people on this board who most definitely would like to see physical pain, or worse, visited upon both George W. Bush and Dick Cheney. Whether **Brown Eyed Girl** , **LouisB** and **carnivorousplant** are among them I couldn’t say. But what I can say is that if any conservative around here wrote posts about how he’d like to see certain Democrats tortured, the hew and cry sent forth would be tremendous, whether the hewers and criers believed those posts to be genuine or not. And I’ve seen enough cases around here where death penalty opponents genuinely wanted to see Bush, Cheney and Rumsfeld executed to think that the likelihood that the posters above are being truthful does not lie outside the realm of possibilty. ---
**Author:** ![Starving\_Artist](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/aeb1de/32.png) [@Starving\_Artist](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Starving_Artist)\ **Post date:** [May 23, 2009, 8:46am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/conservative-radio-hosts-gets-waterboarded/497343/58 "2009-05-23T08:46:07Z")
> [@Equipoise](#): > > (Edit to add, this is directed to SA, of course, not scifisam2009) > > You really have no idea how you come off, do you? Right wing cognitive dissonance is a fascinating thing, awesome in its power to make you forget or ignore what people have said to you in the past, and harp on topics that have nothing to do with the subject at hand so as to change the subject and distract people (yeah, like me). > > As a reminder, do please try to work in Vince Foster somewhere in your sure-to-be-continued off-topic derailment of this thread. I’d be ever so disappointed if you forgot. Sorry dear, you brought up the blowjob when I was speaking in more of a big-picture sense, and the thread had been derailed into talk of torturing Cheney long before I got here. So I do not believe that between the two of us, the problem of congnitive dissonance lies with me. And yes, I’m perfectly aware of how I come off here. I do regret that it’s necessary but _somebody_ has to tell the emperor he has no clothes. 😉 ---
**Author:** ![SenorBeef](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/senorbeef/32/2220_2.png) [@SenorBeef](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SenorBeef)\ **Post date:** [May 23, 2009, 8:50am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/conservative-radio-hosts-gets-waterboarded/497343/59 "2009-05-23T08:50:11Z")
**Starving Artist** , I’m curious - is there a subject on which you feel people could take a principled stand and not simply be attacking something because the other side did it, and they’d be fine with if it theirs did? IOW, in your world it seems that people can’t simply make a principled stand against torture - it’s all partianship - where do you draw the line? If Bush nuked Tehran, and people objected, would it just be partisanship? If the civil rights act were rescinded, do you think people would have to look at which party voted for it before deciding whether or not they were against it? I generally agree with the idea that people tend to buy into us vs them partisanship and they tend to support stupid stuff from their guys and oppose reasonable stuff from the other guys. But you take it to such a ridiculous extreme where you seem to think it’s impossible for anyone to take a stand on principle rather than political affiliation. The very fact that you put some blowjobs on the same partisan bickering level with destroying the moral standing and ideology of the United States via torture is so perverse to me as to be absurd. There’s some scary shit coming from the right these days. And I say this as someone who’s generally disdainful of leftists, so where do I fit on your partisanship worldview? ---
**Author:** ![Starving\_Artist](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/aeb1de/32.png) [@Starving\_Artist](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Starving_Artist)\ **Post date:** [May 23, 2009, 9:16am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/conservative-radio-hosts-gets-waterboarded/497343/60 "2009-05-23T09:16:48Z")
Well, first of all I would remind you that it was **Equipoise** , as usual, who brought up the blowjob, which is something she usually does anytime I write “Clinton” and “women” in the same sentence. Nor did I draw an equivalency between the blowjob and destroying the moral standing and ideology of the United States. I merely used the behavior of Clinton and Kennedy toward women, and the stated views of H. Clinton and Barack Obama with regard to same-sex marriage, views that recently got Miss California raked over the coals as an evil homophobe, to illustrate the fact that there is one hell of a double-standard that exists within the left as to how atrocious these various offenses are. And yes, there are numerous leftist (for want of a better term) posters around here who I respect and believe to stand on principle, though still within the context of their political affiliation. The problem is that they are not the ones posting the kind of bullshit that I tend to home in on, and so it evidently appears to you that I do nothing but rail against liberals, one and all. I’ve said several times around here that most of my friends in offscreen life are liberals. And I acknowledge to myself - sometimes even to my surprise - that liberals have indeed made some things better, though usually as a result of methods I abhor, and that my previous critical views with regard to some of those issues turned out to be unwarranted. But the incessant drumbeat around here is how dumb, stupid, mean, greedy, evil, hateful and murderous conservatives are, that challenging the resulting self-implied but erroneous liberal superiority that those charges carry with them could easily be a full-time job. And so it seems I do nothing but rail against liberals. And as far as you are concerned, I don’t have much recollection of interaction with you or of having read many of your posts, but to the degree that I do have an impression of you, it’s a positive one. You seem like a reasonable person. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/conservative-radio-hosts-gets-waterboarded/497343.md?page=2) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/conservative-radio-hosts-gets-waterboarded/497343.md?page=4)