# Conservatives and/or Trump supporters, please explain to us liberals why we shouldn't be afraid **URL:** \ **Category:** Politics & Elections\ **Created:** [December 20, 2016, 9:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/conservatives-and-or-trump-supporters-please-explain-to-us-liberals-why-we-shouldnt-be-afraid/775263 "2016-12-20T21:33:50Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 6\ **Page:** 7
**Author:** ![Guest-starring\_Id](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/guest-starring_id/32/21736_2.png) [@Guest-starring\_Id](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Guest-starring_Id)\ **Post date:** [December 24, 2016, 4:06am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/conservatives-and-or-trump-supporters-please-explain-to-us-liberals-why-we-shouldnt-be-afraid/775263/121 "2016-12-24T04:06:07Z")
::darn I wish I got back here earlier:: > [@Leaper](#): > > So, in the spirit of the thread, explain why either wouldn’t cause problems. thanks dude - just what I was gonna say. Despite the fact, however, that your post sequentially followed **Clothy’s** (and, from that - most folk would gather you were addressing him), I’ll just…double make sure, here: HEEEEEEYY CLOTHYYYYY!!! ---
**Author:** ![TonySinclair](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/49beb7/32.png) [@TonySinclair](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/TonySinclair)\ **Post date:** [December 24, 2016, 5:03am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/conservatives-and-or-trump-supporters-please-explain-to-us-liberals-why-we-shouldnt-be-afraid/775263/122 "2016-12-24T05:03:30Z")
> [@Happy\_Lendervedder](#): > > Trump’s and Putin’s backdoor friendship Well, that explains a lot. ---
**Author:** ![GIGObuster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gigobuster/32/421_2.png) [@GIGObuster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GIGObuster)\ **Post date:** [December 24, 2016, 5:28am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/conservatives-and-or-trump-supporters-please-explain-to-us-liberals-why-we-shouldnt-be-afraid/775263/123 "2016-12-24T05:28:04Z")
> [@Clothahump](#): > > Don’t need any alternatives. The federal government has no constitutional authority to provide or mandate health insurance. SCOTUS dropped the ball on that one by declaring it to be a tax. > > Yep. Hopefully, his directions in office will be to preside over the closing of the doors of the EPA, which is just one of many, many government offices that need to be shut down. :rolleyes: > **[The U.S.-China game changer climate agreement » Yale Climate Connections](https://yaleclimateconnections.org/2014/12/the-u-s-china-game-changer-climate-agreement/)** > > The new U.S./China agreement is opening new doorways for promising reductions in greenhouse gas emissions over the next two decades, changing the tone both domestically and internationally on climate issues. "Final point, when the critics of the climate agreement come forward and say: “well it’s not that big a deal” or “it’s going to hurt our economy”, that’s nonsense. Sheer nonsense, in 1970 when the first earth day took place we put in place the best environmental protection program in the world, which is really the best economic development strategy in the world. That was in nineteen seventy. **Our economy is four times bigger now than it was in real dollars.** So to anybody who tells you that environmental protection will affect the economy it is not, since it’s absolutely false. In fact in my work in India and China and Mongolia and these other places around the world that are heavily polluted, seeking to develop in a western development strategy without environmental protections… You go there… And you will never complain about the EPA ever again!" - Keith Schneider, Environmental Reporter. Yale Environment 360 and The Energy Collective. ---
**Author:** ![foolsguinea](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/foolsguinea/32/14751_2.png) [@foolsguinea](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/foolsguinea)\ **Post date:** [December 24, 2016, 5:51am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/conservatives-and-or-trump-supporters-please-explain-to-us-liberals-why-we-shouldnt-be-afraid/775263/124 "2016-12-24T05:51:24Z")
> [@Velocity](#): > > My 2 cents: > > Liberals do have a lot to fear in the upcoming 4 years, especially with the potential for one or more right-wing SCOTUS justices. > > But 2020 will likely be a landslide win for the Blues, and a redistricting election too. So it’s short-term loss for the Democrats but very longterm gain. Trump may well be the last GOP president for a very, very, long time to come. > > So Democrats only need to batten down the hatches and emerge victorious after four years. Right. Which is why the right wing have to do everything they can to make this victory permanent. With a system designed to quietly steal elections, they don’t even need blatant mass disenfranchisement. See, the GOP are at war with us, and they never stop working to win. Democrats act like conservatism is static and the left can just ride a demographic tide to victory. Movement conservatives, contrariwise, believe that progressives are working overtime to steal America, and they have to work just as hard to stop it. And that’s why they almost always win. ---
**Author:** ![sinjin](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ebca7d/32.png) [@sinjin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/sinjin)\ **Post date:** [December 24, 2016, 6:28am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/conservatives-and-or-trump-supporters-please-explain-to-us-liberals-why-we-shouldnt-be-afraid/775263/125 "2016-12-24T06:28:18Z")
> [@Quartz](#): > > Remind me, who is the President-elect? Ponder on that a while. We know who the President-elect is and we know what he is. He is a scam artist who was elected by Putin and the FBI. Hopefully the American traitors will be arrested and punished. ---
**Author:** ![Bridget\_Burke](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/7cd45c/32.png) [@Bridget\_Burke](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bridget_Burke)\ **Post date:** [December 24, 2016, 8:21am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/conservatives-and-or-trump-supporters-please-explain-to-us-liberals-why-we-shouldnt-be-afraid/775263/126 "2016-12-24T08:21:38Z")
> [@foolsguinea](#): > > Right. Which is why the right wing have to do everything they can to make this victory permanent. With a system designed to quietly steal elections, they don’t even need blatant mass disenfranchisement. > > See, the GOP are at war with us, and they never stop working to win. Democrats act like conservatism is static and the left can just ride a demographic tide to victory. Movement conservatives, contrariwise, believe that progressives are working overtime to steal America, and they have to work just as hard to stop it. And that’s why they almost always win. Long-term demographic trends do favor sanity. So the Republicans will be eager to Smash & Grab as much as they can. And you’re answering someone talking about the election in four years–there’s another one in _two_ years. We can’t sit out\* any\* elections… [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/conservatives-and-or-trump-supporters-please-explain-to-us-liberals-why-we-shouldnt-be-afraid/775263.md?page=6)