# Conservatives rally behind Santorum **URL:** \ **Category:** Politics & Elections\ **Created:** [January 16, 2012, 2:13am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/conservatives-rally-behind-santorum/609651 "2012-01-16T02:13:14Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![Oakminster](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/77aa72/32.png) [@Oakminster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Oakminster)\ **Post date:** [January 16, 2012, 8:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/conservatives-rally-behind-santorum/609651/21 "2012-01-16T20:36:53Z")
> [@Damuri\_Ajashi](#): > > I did not say conservative=evangelical Yes you did. > [@Damuri\_Ajashi](#): > > Tomato, to-mah-to > > There has been so much cross pollination that evangelical=conservative. And you’re wrong, of course. I’m a conservative atheist. ---
**Author:** ![Lobohan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lobohan/32/79_2.png) [@Lobohan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lobohan)\ **Post date:** [January 16, 2012, 8:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/conservatives-rally-behind-santorum/609651/22 "2012-01-16T20:43:26Z")
> [@Oakminster](#): > > Yes you did. > > And you’re wrong, of course. I’m a conservative atheist. And the Republican party could not give one single, glistening shit about what you think. You’re along for the ride, but the top is down and the Jesus-freaks driving and riding shotgun can’t hear you. ---
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [January 16, 2012, 8:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/conservatives-rally-behind-santorum/609651/23 "2012-01-16T20:50:48Z")
> [@Oakminster](#): > > I’m a conservative atheist. I do believe that your subgroup is even smaller than the Log Cabin Republicans, and look how influential _they_ were with the GOP. ---
**Author:** ![Steve\_MB](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/steve_mb/32/5339_2.png) [@Steve\_MB](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Steve_MB)\ **Post date:** [January 16, 2012, 9:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/conservatives-rally-behind-santorum/609651/24 "2012-01-16T21:56:06Z")
Pass the popcorn… > [@](#): > > [Activists Say Pro-Santorum Vote Was Rigged](http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2012/jan/16/activists-say-pro-santorum-vote-was-rigged/) > > A civil war is breaking out among evangelical leaders over allegations of a rigged election and ballot stuffing at a Saturday gathering of religious and social conservatives… > > Protestant fundamentalist leaders who attended – most of them backing former House Speaker Newt Gingrich to be the anti-Romney candidate – are accusing Catholic participants of conniving to rig the vote… ---
**Author:** ![joebuck20](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/74df32/32.png) [@joebuck20](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/joebuck20)\ **Post date:** [January 16, 2012, 11:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/conservatives-rally-behind-santorum/609651/25 "2012-01-16T23:33:19Z")
> [@Steve\_MB](#): > > Pass the popcorn… > > > [@](#): > > > > Activists Say Pro-Santorum Vote Was Rigged > > > > A civil war is breaking out among evangelical leaders over allegations of a rigged election and ballot stuffing at a Saturday gathering of religious and social conservatives… > > > > Protestant fundamentalist leaders who attended – **most of them backing former House Speaker Newt Gingrich to be the anti-Romney candidate** – are accusing Catholic participants of conniving to rig the vote… Well, that should tell you just how serious these clowns are about “values.” ---
**Author:** ![Damuri\_Ajashi](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/898d66/32.png) [@Damuri\_Ajashi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Damuri_Ajashi)\ **Post date:** [January 16, 2012, 11:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/conservatives-rally-behind-santorum/609651/26 "2012-01-16T23:40:05Z")
> [@Qin\_Shi\_Huangdi](#): > > Massive differences in theology especially with regards to soteriology and the divnity of Christ. I meant politically. Try to keep up. > [@John\_Mace](#): > > Can we have a cite that the overwhelming majority of self described conservatives are racists? And I’m going to disallow the weasel word “slightly”. You’re either a racist or not. > > I’ll ask for cite about the other stuff after you supply this one. Do you think their venomous stance on immigration is entirely the result of non-racist attitudes? And you can in fact be a little bit racist. > [@Oakminster](#): > > Yes you did. OK, I see what happened. I meant that all evangelicals are conservatives even if not all conservatives are evangelicals. > [@](#): > > And you’re wrong, of course. I’m a conservative atheist. Yeah, you’re a pretty slim minority of the conservative movement. The Republican party has never nominated an athiest to national office. I can’t remember when they nominated one to statewide office. ---
**Author:** ![Damuri\_Ajashi](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/898d66/32.png) [@Damuri\_Ajashi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Damuri_Ajashi)\ **Post date:** [January 16, 2012, 11:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/conservatives-rally-behind-santorum/609651/27 "2012-01-16T23:44:15Z")
> [@Steve\_MB](#): > > Pass the popcorn… > [@joebuck20](#): > > Well, that should tell you just how serious these clowns are about “values.” Well, shit, I guess there goes the last chance to derail Romney. I guess Obama’s going to have to fight for his second term. ---
**Author:** ![Oakminster](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/77aa72/32.png) [@Oakminster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Oakminster)\ **Post date:** [January 17, 2012, 12:14am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/conservatives-rally-behind-santorum/609651/28 "2012-01-17T00:14:02Z")
> [@Damuri\_Ajashi](#): > > OK, I see what happened. I meant that all evangelicals are conservatives even if not all conservatives are evangelicals. I don’t think that is quite right, either. Obama got lots of support from black churches in the rural South, and many of them are pretty evangelical. ---
**Author:** ![John\_Mace](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/john_mace/32/185_2.png) [@John\_Mace](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/John_Mace)\ **Post date:** [January 17, 2012, 12:25am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/conservatives-rally-behind-santorum/609651/29 "2012-01-17T00:25:39Z")
> [@Damuri\_Ajashi](#): > > IDo you think their venomous stance on immigration is entirely the result of non-racist attitudes? And you can in fact be a little bit racist. I don’t think that “their stance” (meaning, in general) is either venomous or necessarily racist. I think their stance would be the same if Mexicans were poor, low skilled, non-English speaking white people. I can’t see why it would be “venomous” to want to enforce immigration laws. ---
**Author:** ![Qin\_Shi\_Huangdi](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/q/f04885/32.png) [@Qin\_Shi\_Huangdi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Qin_Shi_Huangdi)\ **Post date:** [January 17, 2012, 12:36am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/conservatives-rally-behind-santorum/609651/30 "2012-01-17T00:36:50Z")
> [@BrainGlutton](#): > > So, who’s Jack Chick endorsing? Jack Chick is from what I’ve seen very apolitical-he thinks people like Falwell and Robertson are in the pocket of the Catholics. > [@Czarcasm](#): > > I do believe that your subgroup is even smaller than the Log Cabin Republicans, and look how influential _they_ were with the GOP. George Will and Krugman? > [@](#): > > Yeah, you’re a pretty slim minority of the conservative movement. The Republican party has never nominated an athiest to national office. I can’t remember when they nominated one to statewide office. Heard of a fellow named Robert Ingersoll? ---
**Author:** ![Damuri\_Ajashi](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/898d66/32.png) [@Damuri\_Ajashi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Damuri_Ajashi)\ **Post date:** [January 17, 2012, 12:36am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/conservatives-rally-behind-santorum/609651/31 "2012-01-17T00:36:58Z")
> [@Oakminster](#): > > I don’t think that is quite right, either. Obama got lots of support from black churches in the rural South, and many of them are pretty evangelical. Is that part of the demographic pollsters are referring to when they say evangelicals? ---
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [January 17, 2012, 1:10am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/conservatives-rally-behind-santorum/609651/32 "2012-01-17T01:10:37Z")
> [@Qin\_Shi\_Huangdi](#): > > George Will and Krugman? George Will said on _The Colbert Report_ that he was an agnostic, and Krugman considers himself to be a liberal. Try again. ---
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [January 17, 2012, 1:14am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/conservatives-rally-behind-santorum/609651/33 "2012-01-17T01:14:02Z")
> [@Qin\_Shi\_Huangdi](#): > > Heard of a fellow named Robert Ingersoll? 1. You are going all the way back to the 1800’s, and 2. He was an agnostic. ---
**Author:** ![SeldomSeen](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/7ba0ec/32.png) [@SeldomSeen](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SeldomSeen)\ **Post date:** [January 17, 2012, 2:51am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/conservatives-rally-behind-santorum/609651/34 "2012-01-17T02:51:52Z")
> [@](#): > > Originally Posted by \*\*Qin Shi Huangdi > \*\*Heard of a fellow named Robert Ingersoll? > [@Czarcasm](#): > > 1. You are going all the way back to the 1800’s, and > 2. He was an agnostic. Robert Green Ingersoll was indeed an agnostic, not athiest. And he never was nominated for election. He served for a time as Illinois Attorney General, but that was an appointment at the time - not an elective office. He was asked by the Illinois Republicans to run for governor, but with the stipulation that he would conceal his agnosticism during the campaign. Ingersoll declined to run, on the grounds that it was immoral to withold information from the public. SS ---
**Author:** ![Qin\_Shi\_Huangdi](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/q/f04885/32.png) [@Qin\_Shi\_Huangdi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Qin_Shi_Huangdi)\ **Post date:** [January 17, 2012, 2:58am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/conservatives-rally-behind-santorum/609651/35 "2012-01-17T02:58:54Z")
> [@Czarcasm](#): > > George Will said on _The Colbert Report_ that he was an agnostic, and Krugman considers himself to be a liberal. Try again. > [@Czarcasm](#): > > 1. You are going all the way back to the 1800’s, and > 2. He was an agnostic. I haven’t met a person who was intolerant of atheists but not of agnostics. If an agnostic can gain acceptance, an atheist can. ---
**Author:** ![Ludovic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/7ab992/32.png) [@Ludovic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ludovic)\ **Post date:** [January 17, 2012, 2:59am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/conservatives-rally-behind-santorum/609651/36 "2012-01-17T02:59:49Z")
> [@SeldomSeen](#): > > Robert Green Ingersoll was indeed an agnostic, not athiest. I concur. Since he wasn’t sure if there was a God, I guess he was just fairly athy, rather than the athiest possible. ---
**Author:** ![Chronos](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/chronos/32/134_2.png) [@Chronos](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chronos)\ **Post date:** [January 17, 2012, 3:03am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/conservatives-rally-behind-santorum/609651/37 "2012-01-17T03:03:33Z")
> [@](#): > > Protestant fundamentalist leaders who attended – most of them backing former House Speaker Newt Gingrich to be the anti-Romney candidate – are accusing Catholic participants of conniving to rig the vote… Wait a minute… Isn’t Gingrich nominally Catholic, too? ---
**Author:** ![Lobohan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lobohan/32/79_2.png) [@Lobohan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lobohan)\ **Post date:** [January 17, 2012, 3:28am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/conservatives-rally-behind-santorum/609651/38 "2012-01-17T03:28:04Z")
> [@Qin\_Shi\_Huangdi](#): > > I haven’t met a person who was intolerant of atheists but not of agnostics. If an agnostic can gain acceptance, an atheist can. From my experience for most people who claim agnosticism, it is a more socially acceptable way to say they are atheists. Every single agnostic person I know of is actually an atheist, but don’t want to piss off their families. You many not experience that because you probably travel in fundie circles, but that’s been my experience, at least. Never mind that agnostic says nothing about whether you believe in God. ---
**Author:** ![Kolak\_of\_Twilo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kolak_of_twilo/32/73_2.png) [@Kolak\_of\_Twilo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kolak_of_Twilo)\ **Post date:** [January 17, 2012, 3:36am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/conservatives-rally-behind-santorum/609651/39 "2012-01-17T03:36:54Z")
> [@Chronos](#): > > Wait a minute… Isn’t Gingrich nominally Catholic, too? Yup. He converted. ---
**Author:** ![Lobohan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lobohan/32/79_2.png) [@Lobohan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lobohan)\ **Post date:** [January 17, 2012, 3:44am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/conservatives-rally-behind-santorum/609651/40 "2012-01-17T03:44:10Z")
> [@Kolak\_of\_Twilo](#): > > Yup. He converted. The secret is to get the divorces out of the way first,\* then convert\*. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/conservatives-rally-behind-santorum/609651.md?page=1) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/conservatives-rally-behind-santorum/609651.md?page=3)