# Considering all the coicidences, was Jeff Epstein murdered? **URL:** \ **Category:** Factual Questions\ **Created:** [August 19, 2019, 12:43am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/considering-all-the-coicidences-was-jeff-epstein-murdered/838854 "2019-08-19T00:43:28Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 11\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![Tempe\_Jeff](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/tempe_jeff/32/7328_2.png) [@Tempe\_Jeff](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Tempe_Jeff)\ **Post date:** [August 19, 2019, 12:43am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/considering-all-the-coicidences-was-jeff-epstein-murdered/838854/1 "2019-08-19T00:43:28Z")
The trail of suspicious moves to prevent witnesses beforehand. The convenient sleeping by both guards. Where is the video? Why was his cellmate removed only hours before. Why was a suicide risk given anything strong enough to hang himself ( from the kneeling position, no less) ? ---
**Author:** ![Tempe\_Jeff](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/tempe_jeff/32/7328_2.png) [@Tempe\_Jeff](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Tempe_Jeff)\ **Post date:** [August 19, 2019, 12:45am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/considering-all-the-coicidences-was-jeff-epstein-murdered/838854/2 "2019-08-19T00:45:01Z")
To the moderators, could you spell check coincidences for me in the title? Thanks. ---
**Author:** ![Hari\_Seldon](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/hari_seldon/32/5173_2.png) [@Hari\_Seldon](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hari_Seldon)\ **Post date:** [August 19, 2019, 1:36am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/considering-all-the-coicidences-was-jeff-epstein-murdered/838854/3 "2019-08-19T01:36:42Z")
My best guess (this is not a GQ) is that he was allowed to commit suicide, but not assisted. ---
**Author:** ![Dewey\_Finn](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dewey_finn/32/4222_2.png) [@Dewey\_Finn](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dewey_Finn)\ **Post date:** [August 19, 2019, 1:37am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/considering-all-the-coicidences-was-jeff-epstein-murdered/838854/4 "2019-08-19T01:37:43Z")
How many threads do we need about this? This is the third, just among those opened by you. ---
**Author:** ![RealityChuck](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/realitychuck/32/195_2.png) [@RealityChuck](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RealityChuck)\ **Post date:** [August 19, 2019, 1:38am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/considering-all-the-coicidences-was-jeff-epstein-murdered/838854/5 "2019-08-19T01:38:40Z")
Hanlon’s razor applies: never attribute to malice to what is adequately explained by stupidity. The jail has had a long history of poor management and sloppy work. Why was his cellmate removed is not a question. Why would Epstein try to commit suicide if someone was in the cell with him? is the one you should ask. Obviously, he was going to commit suicide when he was alone, so he took the opportunity when it came up. ---
**Author:** ![Tempe\_Jeff](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/tempe_jeff/32/7328_2.png) [@Tempe\_Jeff](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Tempe_Jeff)\ **Post date:** [August 19, 2019, 1:48am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/considering-all-the-coicidences-was-jeff-epstein-murdered/838854/6 "2019-08-19T01:48:07Z")
> [@Dewey\_Finn](#): > > How many threads do we need about this? This is the third, just among those opened by you. You researched me without an answer to the question. Shall I rephrase? The highest profile inmate in the Federal system died and everyone wants to pretend it was suicide. I suppose Manafort’s move to Rikers before being stopped by a judge was another mistake in New York? What are you claiming? ---
**Author:** ![Tempe\_Jeff](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/tempe_jeff/32/7328_2.png) [@Tempe\_Jeff](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Tempe_Jeff)\ **Post date:** [August 19, 2019, 1:50am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/considering-all-the-coicidences-was-jeff-epstein-murdered/838854/7 "2019-08-19T01:50:11Z")
> [@RealityChuck](#): > > Hanlon’s razor applies: never attribute to malice to what is adequately explained by stupidity. > > The jail has had a long history of poor management and sloppy work. > > Why was his cellmate removed is not a question. Why would Epstein try to commit suicide if someone was in the cell with him? is the one you should ask. Obviously, he was going to commit suicide when he was alone, so he took the opportunity when it came up. I’m sure, that’s why they moved him there. Thank goodness prison guards can’t be bought off. ---
**Author:** ![snfaulkner](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/snfaulkner/32/433_2.png) [@snfaulkner](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/snfaulkner)\ **Post date:** [August 19, 2019, 1:50am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/considering-all-the-coicidences-was-jeff-epstein-murdered/838854/8 "2019-08-19T01:50:53Z")
> [@Tempe\_Jeff](#): > > You researched me without an answer to the question. > Shall I rephrase? The highest profile inmate in the Federal system died and everyone wants to pretend it was suicide. I suppose Manafort’s move to Rikers before being stopped by a judge was another mistake in New York? What are you claiming? What are you suggesting happened? And separate issue, why do you need 3 threads? ---
**Author:** ![pool](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/pool/32/4152_2.png) [@pool](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/pool)\ **Post date:** [August 19, 2019, 1:57am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/considering-all-the-coicidences-was-jeff-epstein-murdered/838854/9 "2019-08-19T01:57:51Z")
Honestly, I’m more interested that he had a painting of Bill Clinton in a dress, that’s fucking hilarious! ---
**Author:** ![engineer\_comp\_geek](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/engineer_comp_geek/32/504_2.png) [@engineer\_comp\_geek](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/engineer_comp_geek)\ **Post date:** [August 19, 2019, 2:00am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/considering-all-the-coicidences-was-jeff-epstein-murdered/838854/10 "2019-08-19T02:00:10Z")
**Moderator Action** There are plenty of threads on this topic already. Please post to existing threads instead of creating new ones, and also keep in mind that GQ is for factual questions, not speculation. Thread closed. ---
**Author:** ![Chronos](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/chronos/32/134_2.png) [@Chronos](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chronos)\ **Post date:** [August 19, 2019, 2:05am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/considering-all-the-coicidences-was-jeff-epstein-murdered/838854/11 "2019-08-19T02:05:58Z")
I’ll make that more explicit: Do not start any more threads about Epstein, in any forum. There are already multiple threads talking about this case. We do not need you starting one in every forum, as you seem intent upon doing.