Yes, but where do the Reverse Vampires fit in all of this?
That’s silly, everybody knows Reverse Vampires don’t actually exist.
Shut up, you! You’re going to ruin everything!
There used to be a CT that Dick Cheney was running a parallel and most likely dangerous and damaging side show on his own without even letting President in on the things he’s into. Wonder what happened to that one… :o
I think hardcore coincidence theorists are dumber than conspiracy theorists. Conspiracies don’t happen in the world?
I hate this argument. The evidence should be weighed in each case. Tuskegee or Gulf of Tonkin or Operation Northwoods or whatever does not prove 9/11 was an “inside job.” It’s just a dumb thing that people fall back on when all their arguments are soundly defeated.
If the paper was published…well, you understand that this would sort of take it out of the realm of a CT, right? I mean…you may have a point if they had ACTUALLY kept the project hidden. It wouldn’t exactly be a CT, mind, but it would certainly have been a cover up, which is at least in the same universe. But…well, they published the paper. Anyone who was actually interested COULD have looked it up.
Just give this one up, gonzo…it’s a really bad example. Though I don’t think it qualifies either, what about the Maine? It kicked off the Spanish/American war, and it turned out it was probably a faulty boiler. It certainly wasn’t a Spanish mine, at any rate.
I think that CT’s are silly because it’s hard to figure out real world examples of a conspiracy that COULD be covered up for years. Basically, the more people who are involved the more chance there is for someone to tell the story. Something like attempting to hoax the Moon Landings (watched a show on NatGeo today about the Moon Landing CT…the CTers looked like complete morons) would require a LOT of people being involved. No way could you keep something like that a secret. Same with the 9/11 CT…it would require hundreds of people to pull it off.
-XT
Soundly defeated to you, but to me the evidence is in favor of a conspiracy and the debunking is sloppy crap meant to appeal to individuals who were already waiting for something to “debunk” the conspiracies.
Well, name one then. Name a conspiracy that lasted for years and was eventually proven to be right. I can’t think of any, to be honest. Watergate? Nixon only managed to cover it up for about a year or so…and pretty much almost immediately it was being investigated. To me this is the classic example…Nixon couldn’t even cover up something like this. It all came out and it pulled him down.
-XT
It wouldn’t be a good conspiracy if it was blown wide open, now would it? I see a lot of people nowadays trying to say that Obama is a closet-communist, or Muslim trying to destroy America from within, or that he has a fake birth certificate. These are conspiracies; do you believe any of them?
I don’t want to debate this stuff, though. I just came to throw my two cents in. I believe we’ll see some stuff in the next few years which might make you change your mind, though.
I ‘believe’ in something that has been proven. Until proven I don’t believe…I use my own bullshit detector and the smell test, along with my handy dandy Occam’s Razor.
It’s funny you should add this last bit…one of the CTers on the NatGeo show said exactly the same thing. In fact, I’ve heard this line for years about various CTs…just wait a few years and I’m going to suddenly see tons of evidence leap out. In the mean time I should just ‘believe’, because one day all will be made clear.
Bwahahahahaha! I guess I’m just not wired for blind belief. I look at the majority of CTs (Roswell, 9/11, JFK assassination, Moon Landing Hoax, chemtrails, space aliens and the US government in contact, cattle mutilation, the Amero currency CT, etc etc) and I look at the EVIDENCE…and, by and large they all fail the smell test. There is usually a mountain of evidence against the CT, vs a few anomalies that the CTers hone in on…or, in most cases, the CTers either have no real grasp of the science or engineering, are wrong, or are deliberately misleading or lying intentionally for reasons of their own. Or a combination of all of those things.
-XT
Well that’s like, your opinion, man.
In addition to conspiracy theories that posit Genius Fools in order to explain all the logical discrepancies that the CT hangs together on, this is another hallmark. The fact that there’s no real evidence to support it just means that Conspiracy is that much more powerful. If there’s evience that debunks it, all that means is that the conspiracy is powerful enough to conceal itself totally and/or that the conspiracy theorist is simply superior in intellect and judgment to the sheeple who’ve been taken in.
Heads I win, tails you lose, Elvis is working at a 7-11 in Austin Texas.
The Protocol of Sèvres. Conspired in 1956. BBC documentary that made it widely known - 1996.
They pulled it off and all those thousands in four different armies (Egypt, Israel, UK and France) involved had no idea of the original conspiracy deal made in Sevres.
There were rumors and obvious circumstantial evidence, but no hard evidence.
Now, it’s just a history… :o
While not universally held to be “true” I think the USS Liberty one comes closest to not being a complete bone head notion as would moon landings or 9/11 craziness.
I think treis in the current thread on the Liberty put it best:
*“This is the conspiracy theory that, imho, has the most legs. Mostly due to the high level U.S. government officials that don’t buy the official story.”
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More than that. According to one article I read, if all of the 9/11 CTs were true, 1/6ths of the entire U.S. population would have to be in on it!
No, there’s evidence and plenty of it. But I use “blown wide open” as a way of saying that everybody and their grandma takes it as fact, and deniers of the original conspiracy would be crackpots up there with holocaust deniers.
Correct. Everybody and their grandmother takes as fact that an organization of religious fanatics, made part of the government of Afghanistan which had a long history of publicly stating their goals and attacked the WTC once before and on 9/11 they managed to put a plan into practice which caused the collapse of the buildings, as confirmed by the most thorough structural investigation in the history of humanity. People who deny that conspiracy look like anti-vaxers, or moon hoaxers, or Holocaust deniers, or what have you.
But this thread isn’t about the 9/11 Troof movement, there’s another thread for that. If you’d like to continue providing an object lesson as to why it’s taking longer than we thought, i suppose XT could say whether or not he’s cool with the thread taking that direction.
Who came up with that math? And what logic did they use to make it applicable?
If everybody and their grandmother takes it as fact, from whence come the conspiracy theories? And a lot more people than you might think actually believe the conspiracy theories but it’s at the point where it doesn’t even matter anymore. It’s old as hell and nothing is changing so why even talk about it?
And you can call it the “most thorough structural investigation” but that doesn’t make it true.
I could elaborate, but we’re not in the Pit.
No, of course not. The fact that it’s true is what make it true.
But, really, I’ve had my fill recently with conspiracy theories and conspiracy theorists. If you’d like to make further non-factual claims of that sort I’ll simply ignore them rather than post in a manner that would violate the rules of this forum. I really don’t have the patience for this sort of stuff this evening.