# Constitution be damned, the FDA is moving ahead to ban almond milk (so says the washington examiner) \[Note just the word milk is being banned\] **URL:** \ **Category:** Politics & Elections\ **Created:** [August 21, 2022, 8:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/constitution-be-damned-the-fda-is-moving-ahead-to-ban-almond-milk-so-says-the-washington-examiner-note-just-the-word-milk-is-being-banned/970046 "2022-08-21T20:01:08Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 3
**Author:** ![What\_Exit](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/what_exit/32/10652_2.png) [@What\_Exit](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/What_Exit)\ **Post date:** [August 21, 2022, 10:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/constitution-be-damned-the-fda-is-moving-ahead-to-ban-almond-milk-so-says-the-washington-examiner-note-just-the-word-milk-is-being-banned/970046/41 "2022-08-21T22:49:34Z")
That is one of the better ones environmentally. ---
**Author:** ![Riemann](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/riemann/32/3133_2.png) [@Riemann](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Riemann)\ **Post date:** [August 21, 2022, 10:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/constitution-be-damned-the-fda-is-moving-ahead-to-ban-almond-milk-so-says-the-washington-examiner-note-just-the-word-milk-is-being-banned/970046/42 "2022-08-21T22:50:28Z")
Not least because you no longer need real horses. ---
**Author:** ![Qadgop\_the\_Mercotan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/qadgop_the_mercotan/32/83_2.png) [@Qadgop\_the\_Mercotan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Qadgop_the_Mercotan)\ **Post date:** [August 21, 2022, 10:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/constitution-be-damned-the-fda-is-moving-ahead-to-ban-almond-milk-so-says-the-washington-examiner-note-just-the-word-milk-is-being-banned/970046/43 "2022-08-21T22:51:40Z")
But what do we call it under the new regime? Coco Nut Milk? Coco Nutmilk? Then what do we do with coconut cream? The mind boggles, the world is turned higgledy-pigglety ---
**Author:** ![susan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/susan/32/17537_2.png) [@susan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/susan)\ **Post date:** [August 21, 2022, 10:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/constitution-be-damned-the-fda-is-moving-ahead-to-ban-almond-milk-so-says-the-washington-examiner-note-just-the-word-milk-is-being-banned/970046/44 "2022-08-21T22:52:21Z")
Oat and soy milk both froth pretty well. Cite: I froth them. If Fox is “news,” almonds can be “milk.” ---
**Author:** ![Thudlow\_Boink](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/thudlow_boink/32/320_2.png) [@Thudlow\_Boink](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Thudlow_Boink)\ **Post date:** [August 21, 2022, 10:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/constitution-be-damned-the-fda-is-moving-ahead-to-ban-almond-milk-so-says-the-washington-examiner-note-just-the-word-milk-is-being-banned/970046/45 "2022-08-21T22:53:00Z")
> [@Riemann](#): > > Not least because you no longer need real horses. Are you suggesting coconuts migrate? ---
**Author:** ![Riemann](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/riemann/32/3133_2.png) [@Riemann](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Riemann)\ **Post date:** [August 21, 2022, 11:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/constitution-be-damned-the-fda-is-moving-ahead-to-ban-almond-milk-so-says-the-washington-examiner-note-just-the-word-milk-is-being-banned/970046/46 "2022-08-21T23:02:36Z")
> [@susan](#): > > If Fox is “news,” almonds can be “milk.” "I Can’t Believe It’s Not News!"® ---
**Author:** ![snowthx](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/snowthx/32/10660_2.png) [@snowthx](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/snowthx)\ **Post date:** [August 21, 2022, 11:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/constitution-be-damned-the-fda-is-moving-ahead-to-ban-almond-milk-so-says-the-washington-examiner-note-just-the-word-milk-is-being-banned/970046/47 "2022-08-21T23:08:29Z")
It says “Non-Dairy” right on the carton, ferchrissakes. I challenge the argument that people are getting confused. They can regulate the name any way they want, but I ain’t going back to baby cow drink. ---
**Author:** ![Si\_Amigo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/si_amigo/32/2877_2.png) [@Si\_Amigo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Si_Amigo)\ **Post date:** [August 21, 2022, 11:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/constitution-be-damned-the-fda-is-moving-ahead-to-ban-almond-milk-so-says-the-washington-examiner-note-just-the-word-milk-is-being-banned/970046/48 "2022-08-21T23:21:20Z")
At least they haven’t tried to make ice cream out of almond or oats. Or have they? ---
**Author:** ![susan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/susan/32/17537_2.png) [@susan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/susan)\ **Post date:** [August 21, 2022, 11:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/constitution-be-damned-the-fda-is-moving-ahead-to-ban-almond-milk-so-says-the-washington-examiner-note-just-the-word-milk-is-being-banned/970046/49 "2022-08-21T23:25:10Z")
Sure. All the nut milks have ice creams. Oatly (oat milk) is quite good. These are wonderful for people who can’t have dairy. Back when I went through a few years of lactose intolerance, the disgusting Rice Dream was the option. Gross, thin, unpleasant-tasting stuff. ---
**Author:** ![kenobi\_65](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kenobi_65/32/13178_2.png) [@kenobi\_65](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kenobi_65)\ **Post date:** [August 21, 2022, 11:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/constitution-be-damned-the-fda-is-moving-ahead-to-ban-almond-milk-so-says-the-washington-examiner-note-just-the-word-milk-is-being-banned/970046/50 "2022-08-21T23:25:18Z")
> [@snowthx](#): > > I challenge the argument that people are getting confused. I doubt that many people are being confused; the dairy industry has seen consumption of dairy (cow) milk steadily decline for decades (even prior to the growth of non-dairy milks), and this seems to be an attempt, by them, to slow that. ---
**Author:** ![Chronos](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/chronos/32/134_2.png) [@Chronos](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chronos)\ **Post date:** [August 21, 2022, 11:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/constitution-be-damned-the-fda-is-moving-ahead-to-ban-almond-milk-so-says-the-washington-examiner-note-just-the-word-milk-is-being-banned/970046/51 "2022-08-21T23:31:00Z")
> [@Qadgop\_the\_Mercotan](#): > > Won’t someone think of the coconut milk? I was wondering about that, too. It’s just as inaccurate as “almond milk”, but it’s got a lot more history behind it. ---
**Author:** ![crowmanyclouds](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/crowmanyclouds/32/19884_2.png) [@crowmanyclouds](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/crowmanyclouds)\ **Post date:** [August 22, 2022, 12:00am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/constitution-be-damned-the-fda-is-moving-ahead-to-ban-almond-milk-so-says-the-washington-examiner-note-just-the-word-milk-is-being-banned/970046/52 "2022-08-22T00:00:06Z")
My first guess would have been making it clear what is and what is not ‘milk’ because it directly effects WIC benefits. > # Milk > > Types of Cow’s Milk > > - Whole, reduced fat, low-fat, or nonfat > - Cultured milk > - Evaporated, Dry: Calcium-fortified milk > - Lactose-reduced and lactose-free milk > - Acidified milk > - Shelf stable > - Flavored or unflavored > > Requirements > > - Must conform to FDA standards of identity at 21 CFR Part 131.110, 21 CFR Part 131.111, 21 CFR Part 131.112, 21 CFR Part 131.127, 21 CFR Part 131.130 or 21 CFR Part 131.147. > - Must be pasteurized. > - Must contain 400 International Units of Vitamin D per quart (100 IU per cup). > - Must contain 2000 International Units of Vitamin A per quart (500 IU per cup) (reduced fat, low-fat or nonfat). > > Notes > > 1. State agencies may choose to authorize goat’s milk as a substitute for cow’s milk. WIC-authorized goat’s milk must meet the same requirements as cow’s milk. > 2. Vitamin A is naturally found in the fat portion of milk, which is removed (all or partially) during the production of reduced-fat, low-fat, and fat-free milks. For this reason, Vitamin A fortification is required for these milks, but not whole milk. The nutrient requirement pertains to all authorized milks; for dried milk (i.e. powdered) and evaporated milk, vitamin requirements are per reconstituted quart. > > [WIC Food Packages - Regulatory Requirements for WIC-Eligible Foods | Food and Nutrition Service](https://www.fns.usda.gov/wic/wic-food-packages-regulatory-requirements-wic-eligible-foods#MILK) ---
**Author:** ![penultima\_thule](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/penultima_thule/32/3833_2.png) [@penultima\_thule](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/penultima_thule)\ **Post date:** [August 22, 2022, 12:31am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/constitution-be-damned-the-fda-is-moving-ahead-to-ban-almond-milk-so-says-the-washington-examiner-note-just-the-word-milk-is-being-banned/970046/53 "2022-08-22T00:31:47Z")
> [@Mortimus](#): > > Spray cheez isn’t entirely devoid of nutritional value. True, but it is devoid of cheese. ---
**Author:** ![Darren\_Garrison](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/darren_garrison/32/92_2.png) [@Darren\_Garrison](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Darren_Garrison)\ **Post date:** [August 22, 2022, 12:31am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/constitution-be-damned-the-fda-is-moving-ahead-to-ban-almond-milk-so-says-the-washington-examiner-note-just-the-word-milk-is-being-banned/970046/54 "2022-08-22T00:31:57Z")
I wonder how this will impact my [spider milk](https://www.newscientist.com/article/2186972-some-spiders-produce-milk-and-its-more-nutritious-than-cows-milk/) startup. ---
**Author:** ![LSLGuy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lslguy/32/5813_2.png) [@LSLGuy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/LSLGuy)\ **Post date:** [August 22, 2022, 12:35am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/constitution-be-damned-the-fda-is-moving-ahead-to-ban-almond-milk-so-says-the-washington-examiner-note-just-the-word-milk-is-being-banned/970046/55 "2022-08-22T00:35:08Z")
Pig milk is the future. It’s even mammalian! ---
**Author:** ![LSLGuy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lslguy/32/5813_2.png) [@LSLGuy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/LSLGuy)\ **Post date:** [August 22, 2022, 12:35am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/constitution-be-damned-the-fda-is-moving-ahead-to-ban-almond-milk-so-says-the-washington-examiner-note-just-the-word-milk-is-being-banned/970046/56 "2022-08-22T00:35:50Z")
I’d still like to hear the OP’s defense of the claim of unconstitutionality. ---
**Author:** ![crowmanyclouds](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/crowmanyclouds/32/19884_2.png) [@crowmanyclouds](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/crowmanyclouds)\ **Post date:** [August 22, 2022, 12:37am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/constitution-be-damned-the-fda-is-moving-ahead-to-ban-almond-milk-so-says-the-washington-examiner-note-just-the-word-milk-is-being-banned/970046/57 "2022-08-22T00:37:08Z")
Marketed as ‘Bacon Milk’ of course. ---
**Author:** ![LSLGuy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lslguy/32/5813_2.png) [@LSLGuy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/LSLGuy)\ **Post date:** [August 22, 2022, 12:38am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/constitution-be-damned-the-fda-is-moving-ahead-to-ban-almond-milk-so-says-the-washington-examiner-note-just-the-word-milk-is-being-banned/970046/58 "2022-08-22T00:38:15Z")
D’oh! I forgot to trademark that. I and my start-up are _so_ screwed. ---
**Author:** ![penultima\_thule](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/penultima_thule/32/3833_2.png) [@penultima\_thule](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/penultima_thule)\ **Post date:** [August 22, 2022, 12:43am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/constitution-be-damned-the-fda-is-moving-ahead-to-ban-almond-milk-so-says-the-washington-examiner-note-just-the-word-milk-is-being-banned/970046/59 "2022-08-22T00:43:08Z")
Red Dwarf "_Kryten_ " episode 7 series 2 [Lister](https://www.imdb.com/name/nm0153002/?ref_=tt_ch): What kind of milk are we using now? [Holly](https://www.imdb.com/name/nm0522686/?ref_=tt_ch): Emergency backup supply. We’re on the dog’s milk. [Lister](https://www.imdb.com/name/nm0153002/?ref_=tt_ch): Dog’s milk! [Holly](https://www.imdb.com/name/nm0522686/?ref_=tt_ch): Nothing wrong with dog’s milk. Full of goodness, full of vitamins, full of marrowbone jelly. Lasts longer than any other milk, dog’s milk. [Lister](https://www.imdb.com/name/nm0153002/?ref_=tt_ch): Why? [Holly](https://www.imdb.com/name/nm0522686/?ref_=tt_ch): No bugger’ll drink it. Plus of course the advantage of dog’s milk is that when it goes off, it tastes exactly the same as when it’s fresh. ---
**Author:** ![Riemann](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/riemann/32/3133_2.png) [@Riemann](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Riemann)\ **Post date:** [August 22, 2022, 12:46am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/constitution-be-damned-the-fda-is-moving-ahead-to-ban-almond-milk-so-says-the-washington-examiner-note-just-the-word-milk-is-being-banned/970046/60 "2022-08-22T00:46:31Z")
> [@LSLGuy](#): > > I’d still like to hear the OP’s defense of the claim of unconstitutionality. “A well regulated milker, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Almonds, shall not be infringed.” I think the interpretation hinges on the weight you assign to that first clause, and the odd position of the last comma. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/constitution-be-damned-the-fda-is-moving-ahead-to-ban-almond-milk-so-says-the-washington-examiner-note-just-the-word-milk-is-being-banned/970046.md?page=2) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/constitution-be-damned-the-fda-is-moving-ahead-to-ban-almond-milk-so-says-the-washington-examiner-note-just-the-word-milk-is-being-banned/970046.md?page=4)