# Construct: Are you for real? **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [August 11, 2015, 12:12am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/construct-are-you-for-real/727501 "2015-08-11T00:12:57Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 5
**Author:** ![watchwolf49](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/e9c0ed/32.png) [@watchwolf49](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/watchwolf49)\ **Post date:** [August 11, 2015, 9:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/construct-are-you-for-real/727501/81 "2015-08-11T21:08:04Z")
> [@A\_isha](#): > > Mainstream Muslim exegesis of the Qur’an falls somewhere between these two extremes. Does the Old Testament have a place anywhere within the Muslim religion? ---
**Author:** ![Monty](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/monty/32/47_2.png) [@Monty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Monty)\ **Post date:** [August 11, 2015, 9:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/construct-are-you-for-real/727501/82 "2015-08-11T21:39:08Z")
> [@A\_isha](#): > > Why is it that those who know the least about a subject always try to pretend they know more than anyone else about that subject? **Tithonus** is pretty much the poster boy for the Dunning-Kruger effect! Because “a little knowledge is a dangerous thing”. Corollary: “Fake knowledge is disastrous.” ---
**Author:** ![A\_isha](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/9fc348/32.png) [@A\_isha](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/A_isha)\ **Post date:** [August 11, 2015, 10:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/construct-are-you-for-real/727501/83 "2015-08-11T22:00:41Z")
> [@watchwolf49](#): > > Does the Old Testament have a place anywhere within the Muslim religion? The Torah (the first five books of the Old Testament) is considered to be scripture revealed by Allah directly to Moses, and a book called the Zabur (which is probably the book of Psalms, especially since a number of Psalms are referenced in the Qur’an) was given to David by Allah. The Qur’an describes the Torah as containing “guidance and light, by which the prophets who surrendered (unto Allah) judged the Jews, and the rabbis and the priests (judged) by such of Allah’s Scripture as they were bidden to observe, and thereunto were they witnesses” (5:44) and “instruction for the righteous” (5:46). For the most part, Jews and Christians are considered to have drifted away from what the Torah and the Gospel as originally sent down by Allah said, necessitating the Qur’an to be sent down to confirm the original message of those two scriptures and correct the corruption that had been introduced in that message since their original revelations: “O People of the Scripture, you are [standing] on nothing until you uphold [the law of] the Torah, the Gospel, and what has been revealed to you from your Lord.” (5:68) In other words, the Torah and the Psalms are considered holy scripture in Islam, reflective of their status as revelations from Allah to the Prophets, but they generally aren’t referenced as part of Islamic jurisprudence or theology because they’ve effectively been replaced by the updated, corrected version of those revelations. Just how much of the Torah and Psalms are considered to be Allah’s original and how much is a supposed later "corruption’, though, has varied considerably depending on the particular time and scholar. ---
**Author:** ![YogSothoth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/y/8edcca/32.png) [@YogSothoth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/YogSothoth)\ **Post date:** [August 11, 2015, 10:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/construct-are-you-for-real/727501/84 "2015-08-11T22:06:04Z")
> [@Construct](#): > > For what it’s worth, I sincerely believe everything I post. Just say you’re a racist idiot, saves time ---
**Author:** ![Monty](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/monty/32/47_2.png) [@Monty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Monty)\ **Post date:** [August 11, 2015, 11:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/construct-are-you-for-real/727501/85 "2015-08-11T23:41:25Z")
> [@A\_isha](#): > > **Monty** [called it.](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=18591604&postcount=42) **A’isha** : In an odd way, it is amusing that some bigot with an ax to grind believes he knows more about a particular religion than the actual practitioners of that particular religion or even more than those leaders and scholars of said religion who have dedicated themselves to said practitioners. I encounter that in my own life on a frequent basis, as I’m sure you do. It never gets old. In fact, it’s pretty easy, more often than not, to tell where the “ax grinders” have gotten their supposed information. ---
**Author:** ![Construct](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/50afbb/32.png) [@Construct](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Construct)\ **Post date:** [August 12, 2015, 12:31am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/construct-are-you-for-real/727501/86 "2015-08-12T00:31:00Z")
> [@Richard\_Parker](#): > > I don’t believe you, but I could be wrong. If you’ll indulge me…How old are you? Are you from the US? Which state? What is your educational background? Are you employed? I’m a male college student in Connecticut. ---
**Author:** ![orcenio](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/orcenio/32/1036_2.png) [@orcenio](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/orcenio)\ **Post date:** [August 12, 2015, 12:47am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/construct-are-you-for-real/727501/87 "2015-08-12T00:47:44Z")
This certainly explains why he’s [so opposed](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?p=18583509&postcount=130) to banning vile/violent, organized, black targeted, hate speech on reddit (I’ll give you a hint, exposing racists to public ridicule is “facism”). ---
**Author:** ![Construct](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/50afbb/32.png) [@Construct](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Construct)\ **Post date:** [August 12, 2015, 12:51am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/construct-are-you-for-real/727501/88 "2015-08-12T00:51:21Z")
See my above post. I’m not personally involved in reddit, but it is prime recruiting ground for the alternative Right. ---
**Author:** ![andros](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/e480ec/32.png) [@andros](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/andros)\ **Post date:** [August 12, 2015, 12:51am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/construct-are-you-for-real/727501/89 "2015-08-12T00:51:58Z")
> [@Construct](#): > > I’m a male college student in Connecticut. Perhaps you’ll grow out of it, then. One can hope. ---
**Author:** ![Richard\_Parker](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/35a633/32.png) [@Richard\_Parker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Richard_Parker)\ **Post date:** [August 12, 2015, 12:52am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/construct-are-you-for-real/727501/90 "2015-08-12T00:52:34Z")
> [@Construct](#): > > I’m a male college student in Connecticut. You’ll note that I didn’t ask your gender. That much was obvious. I’m glad to hear you’re in college. If you’re real, then there’s hope for you yet! ---
**Author:** ![Construct](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/50afbb/32.png) [@Construct](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Construct)\ **Post date:** [August 12, 2015, 1:00am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/construct-are-you-for-real/727501/91 "2015-08-12T01:00:43Z")
We all know the old fake Churchill quote that “If you’re not a liberal at twenty you have no heart, if you’re not a conservative at forty you have no brain". So there’s hope for you too. ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [August 12, 2015, 1:29am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/construct-are-you-for-real/727501/92 "2015-08-12T01:29:58Z")
In my sixties, fucking brilliant, and radical as a sumbitch. Got both. ---
**Author:** ![j666](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/9de0a6/32.png) [@j666](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/j666)\ **Post date:** [August 12, 2015, 1:47am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/construct-are-you-for-real/727501/93 "2015-08-12T01:47:10Z")
> [@Construct](#): > > We all know the old fake Churchill quote that “If you’re not a liberal at twenty you have no heart, if you’re not a conservative at forty you have no brain". So there’s hope for you too. Deleting references to specific political parties and Conservative Judaism, American Heritage has: Full Definition of CONSERVATIVE 3 a : tending or disposed to maintain existing views, conditions, or institutions : traditional b : marked by moderation or caution \ c : marked by or relating to traditional norms of taste, elegance, style, or manners I’m missing the section about bigotry in general and Islamophobia in particular. (And, unlike many others here, I have no idea if I know many Muslims; I do know at least two, I might know three, but I might know a couple of hundred because I dislike all three of the monotheism and so won’t discuss religion with my friends.) ---
**Author:** ![Construct](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/50afbb/32.png) [@Construct](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Construct)\ **Post date:** [August 12, 2015, 2:06am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/construct-are-you-for-real/727501/94 "2015-08-12T02:06:53Z")
America and the West certainly has a history of bigotry, intolerance, and Christianity. Europe fought Muslim invaders and slavers for centuries. Bigotry and Islamophobia are certainly conservative values (and I think that’s a statement with which many leftists would agree). ---
**Author:** ![j666](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/9de0a6/32.png) [@j666](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/j666)\ **Post date:** [August 12, 2015, 2:52am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/construct-are-you-for-real/727501/95 "2015-08-12T02:52:06Z")
> [@Construct](#): > > America and the West certainly has a history of bigotry, intolerance, and Christianity. Europe fought Muslim invaders and slavers for centuries. Bigotry and Islamophobia are certainly conservative values (and I think that’s a statement with which many leftists would agree). I don’t; I don’t think there is anything “conservative” about any flavor of xenophobia. If you want to discuss how various political parties use bigotry to manipulate the populace, please use the parties’s names. ---
**Author:** ![Kobal2](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kobal2/32/20_2.png) [@Kobal2](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kobal2)\ **Post date:** [August 12, 2015, 3:00am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/construct-are-you-for-real/727501/96 "2015-08-12T03:00:32Z")
> [@j666](#): > > I don’t; I don’t think there is anything “conservative” about any flavor of xenophobia. Well, it \*is \*very traditional. ---
**Author:** ![Construct](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/50afbb/32.png) [@Construct](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Construct)\ **Post date:** [August 12, 2015, 3:21am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/construct-are-you-for-real/727501/97 "2015-08-12T03:21:39Z")
> [@j666](#): > > I don’t; I don’t think there is anything “conservative” about any flavor of xenophobia. Xenophobia dates back to the very inception of this nation and is still expressed by some politicians today. It’s as American as apple pie. ---
**Author:** ![Guinastasia](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/guinastasia/32/5751_2.png) [@Guinastasia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Guinastasia)\ **Post date:** [August 12, 2015, 3:30am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/construct-are-you-for-real/727501/98 "2015-08-12T03:30:26Z")
> [@Construct](#): > > America and the West certainly has a history of bigotry, intolerance, and Christianity. Europe fought Muslim invaders and slavers for centuries. Bigotry and Islamophobia are certainly conservative values (and I think that’s a statement with which many leftists would agree). So was anti-semitism, jackass. What’s your point? ---
**Author:** ![Larry\_Borgia](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/larry_borgia/32/156_2.png) [@Larry\_Borgia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Larry_Borgia)\ **Post date:** [August 12, 2015, 4:15am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/construct-are-you-for-real/727501/99 "2015-08-12T04:15:15Z")
> [@tomndebb](#): > > Because stupidity and hatred focused through stupidity have never been grounds for banning. Heck, he is not even as good at hatred as several of his predecessors. His nonsense is just far enough out there that pointing at it and laughing is a good way to indicate the stupidity of slightly less extreme forms of the same nonsense. Ok. So if I say “Fuck you” in the pit, that’s against the rules. If I call a troll a troll outside the pit, tha5t’s against the rules. But the shit construct posts is within the rules. You suck **Tomndebb** , you really do. I actually have more respect for\*\* Construct\*\* than I do for you. ---
**Author:** ![Larry\_Borgia](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/larry_borgia/32/156_2.png) [@Larry\_Borgia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Larry_Borgia)\ **Post date:** [August 12, 2015, 4:40am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/construct-are-you-for-real/727501/100 "2015-08-12T04:40:06Z")
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