# Consulting miderators re: further action **URL:** \ **Category:** About This Message Board\ **Created:** [October 10, 2023, 1:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/consulting-miderators-re-further-action/991358 "2023-10-10T13:18:36Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![Darren\_Garrison](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/darren_garrison/32/92_2.png) [@Darren\_Garrison](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Darren_Garrison)\ **Post date:** [October 10, 2023, 1:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/consulting-miderators-re-further-action/991358/1 "2023-10-10T13:18:36Z")
Putting this here in an abundance of caution because attempting any explanation in the thread will likely be called “arguing moderation”. > [@Ahsoka (trailer in OP, spoilers as series airs)](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ahsoka-trailer-in-op-spoilers-as-series-airs/982325/330): > > What _I_ would really like to see is when Luke Skywalker meets Ahsoka for the first time, and hears stories about his parents. (And dispelled [the typical lies that Ben Kenobi loved to dish out]([YouTube](https://m.youtube.com/watch)? > v=RkTibALwfNg).) The link is a widespread meme. It is intentionally over-the-top to be _funny_. (Think “the aristocrats”.) [mod note - spoilered due to potentially NSFW content] [Luke, Did I Ever Tell You About Ahsoka Tano? | Know Your Meme](https://knowyourmeme.com/memes/luke-did-i-ever-tell-you-about-ahsoka-tano) [‘Luke, Did I Ever Tell You About Ahsoka Tano?’ Meme Explained](https://www.yahoo.com/entertainment/luke-did-ever-tell-ahsoka-153558974.html) ---
**Author:** ![AHunter3](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ahunter3/32/368_2.png) [@AHunter3](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AHunter3)\ **Post date:** [October 10, 2023, 1:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/consulting-miderators-re-further-action/991358/2 "2023-10-10T13:34:02Z")
I haven’t the vaguest idea what moderator action you’re attempting to shine light or throw shade upon, since you’ve neither said nor linked. But I really like “miderators”. It’s like a cross between moderators and midwives! ---
**Author:** ![Darren\_Garrison](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/darren_garrison/32/92_2.png) [@Darren\_Garrison](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Darren_Garrison)\ **Post date:** [October 10, 2023, 1:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/consulting-miderators-re-further-action/991358/3 "2023-10-10T13:37:49Z")
> [@AHunter3](#): > > I haven’t the vaguest idea what moderator action you’re attempting to shine light or throw shade upon, since you’ve neither said nor linked. If you clicked the link you would see the mod note. ---
**Author:** ![puzzlegal](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/puzzlegal/32/3827_2.png) [@puzzlegal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/puzzlegal)\ **Post date:** [October 10, 2023, 1:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/consulting-miderators-re-further-action/991358/4 "2023-10-10T13:38:57Z")
It’s obviously intended to be funny. It’s also a really nasty thing to watch (speaking as a woman) and you didn’t give any indication of that. It violates the “two click” rule at a minimum. ---
**Author:** ![Jasmine](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jasmine/32/2964_2.png) [@Jasmine](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jasmine)\ **Post date:** [October 10, 2023, 1:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/consulting-miderators-re-further-action/991358/5 "2023-10-10T13:40:06Z")
> [@AHunter3](#): > > ut I really like “miderators”. Middle-of-the-road moderators? 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![Munch](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/munch/32/5281_2.png) [@Munch](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Munch)\ **Post date:** [October 10, 2023, 2:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/consulting-miderators-re-further-action/991358/6 "2023-10-10T14:29:30Z")
> [@Darren\_Garrison](#): > > It is intentionally over-the-top to be _funny_. (Think “the aristocrats”.) Being funny isn’t a pass for also being disgusting. I’m usually hyper-critical of moderators stepping over the line, but c’mon. That link is a verbal description of extremely graphic sexual content. Of course you were going to get modded. ---
**Author:** ![TriPolar](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/tripolar/32/3008_2.png) [@TriPolar](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/TriPolar)\ **Post date:** [October 10, 2023, 2:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/consulting-miderators-re-further-action/991358/7 "2023-10-10T14:38:14Z")
The link should have followed the two-click rule for misogyny and NSFW language. The miderator’s personal additional opinion of its content is unnecessary. ---
**Author:** ![puzzlegal](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/puzzlegal/32/3827_2.png) [@puzzlegal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/puzzlegal)\ **Post date:** [October 10, 2023, 3:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/consulting-miderators-re-further-action/991358/8 "2023-10-10T15:22:56Z")
You don’t like that I called it “gross misogyny”, instead of just “misogyny”? Would you prefer “graphic misogyny”. I don’t know that the two click rule applies to, say, a scholarly article about how men are better than women, or a NYT article that quotes someone saying “fuck”. ---
**Author:** ![TriPolar](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/tripolar/32/3008_2.png) [@TriPolar](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/TriPolar)\ **Post date:** [October 10, 2023, 3:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/consulting-miderators-re-further-action/991358/9 "2023-10-10T15:36:01Z")
> [@puzzlegal](#): > > You don’t like that I called it “gross misogyny”, instead of just “misogyny”? Would you prefer “graphic misogyny”. Yes. ‘Graphic misogyny’ would be fine, and apt for this case. Miderators should avoid the appearance of subjective mideration. Breaking the link was the correct action whether or not you considered the misogyny to be gross. ---
**Author:** ![puzzlegal](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/puzzlegal/32/3827_2.png) [@puzzlegal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/puzzlegal)\ **Post date:** [October 10, 2023, 3:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/consulting-miderators-re-further-action/991358/10 "2023-10-10T15:52:13Z")
From Google > Gross: (especially of wrongdoing) very obvious and unacceptable; blatant. “gross human rights abuses” While at some level everything is a judgement call, i don’t think this was any more subjective a statement than “graphic” would have been. And i think it fits the subject better. ---
**Author:** ![TriPolar](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/tripolar/32/3008_2.png) [@TriPolar](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/TriPolar)\ **Post date:** [October 10, 2023, 4:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/consulting-miderators-re-further-action/991358/11 "2023-10-10T16:00:23Z")
I mildly disagree because it should be obvious it was intended to be funny, but still unacceptable by board standards. But then again that’s just my subjective view of the word ‘gross’. I’ll keep in mind that could be your intention in future mideration. ---
**Author:** ![muldoonthief](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/muldoonthief/32/3188_2.png) [@muldoonthief](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/muldoonthief)\ **Post date:** [October 10, 2023, 4:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/consulting-miderators-re-further-action/991358/12 "2023-10-10T16:38:15Z")
I took “gross” to mean “blatant”, like “gross misconduct”, or “gross negligence”. I have zero problem with the moderation, since the misogyny was gross in both senses of the word. ---
**Author:** ![Atamasama](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/atamasama/32/12961_2.png) [@Atamasama](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Atamasama)\ **Post date:** [October 10, 2023, 5:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/consulting-miderators-re-further-action/991358/13 "2023-10-10T17:22:40Z")
Good mod action, warranted and properly enforcing the rules of the board. ---
**Author:** ![Spice\_Weasel](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/spice_weasel/32/5435_2.png) [@Spice\_Weasel](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Spice_Weasel)\ **Post date:** [October 10, 2023, 5:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/consulting-miderators-re-further-action/991358/14 "2023-10-10T17:43:20Z")
> [@TriPolar](#): > > Miderators should avoid the appearance of subjective mideration. What constitutes misogyny is IMHO just as subjective as what constitutes “gross” (as in blatant.) In this case, I’d say both apply. OP, next time you want to post a meme from 4chan, maybe don’t? You seem to have trouble reading this room. ---
**Author:** ![Aspenglow](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aspenglow/32/76_2.png) [@Aspenglow](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Aspenglow)\ **Post date:** [October 10, 2023, 5:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/consulting-miderators-re-further-action/991358/15 "2023-10-10T17:47:32Z")
I agree with @puzzlegal’s moderation and @Spice_Weasel’s take. I’m not a Cafe mod, and that’s probably a good thing for the OP today. When I looked at the meme, I was appalled at its misogyny. I would probably have issued a warning. The word ‘grotesque’ sprang to mind. ---
**Author:** ![TriPolar](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/tripolar/32/3008_2.png) [@TriPolar](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/TriPolar)\ **Post date:** [October 10, 2023, 5:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/consulting-miderators-re-further-action/991358/16 "2023-10-10T17:53:08Z")
> [@Spice\_Weasel](#): > > What constitutes misogyny is IMHO just as subjective as what constitutes “gross” (as in blatant.) I’m not arguing about the interpretation of misogyny. I don’t think it’s at all subjective in this case. But you seem to think ‘gross’ is subjective so I don’t understand your point. I’m not going to argue @puzzlegal’s usage further, I accept that she meant blatant misogyny which is certainly the case. ---
**Author:** ![Roderick\_Femm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/roderick_femm/32/14875_2.png) [@Roderick\_Femm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Roderick_Femm)\ **Post date:** [October 10, 2023, 11:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/consulting-miderators-re-further-action/991358/17 "2023-10-10T23:19:13Z")
> [@Darren\_Garrison](#): > > The link is a widespread meme. It is intentionally over-the-top to be _funny_. (Think “the aristocrats”.) You don’t think “the aristocrats” would require a two-click link? I mean, that’s pretty funny (or can be in the right hands) but it’s not something I would inflict on anyone without warning. The wide-spreadedness of the meme is, of course, both overblown and completely irrelevant. It never ceases to make me chuckle when people who are familiar with something, and their little social group is familiar with that something, and the online sources they frequent are familiar with that thing, thereby think that virtually everyone is familiar with it, all without considering the completely different nature of the audience to whom they are presenting it. The world is a much wider place than is allowed for in one jejune person’s experience. When such a person has sufficient experience in life, that is one of the lessons they will have learned. ---
**Author:** ![Chronos](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/chronos/32/134_2.png) [@Chronos](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chronos)\ **Post date:** [October 10, 2023, 11:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/consulting-miderators-re-further-action/991358/18 "2023-10-10T23:22:38Z")
Of course it’s a subjective judgement. That’s why we have humans as miderators instead of robots. ---
**Author:** ![Johnny\_Bravo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnny_bravo/32/493_2.png) [@Johnny\_Bravo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Johnny_Bravo)\ **Post date:** [October 10, 2023, 11:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/consulting-miderators-re-further-action/991358/19 "2023-10-10T23:26:21Z")
> [@Darren\_Garrison](#): > > It is intentionally over-the-top to be _funny_. Oh, well if it’s _intentionally_ over the top. From the know your meme site: > [@](#): > > The copypasta spread over the following years. On April 18th, 2019, it was posted to [iFunny](https://knowyourmeme.com/memes/sites/ifunny)[[6]](https://knowyourmeme.com/memes/luke-did-i-ever-tell-you-about-ahsoka-tano#fn6) by RykersMuffins, garnering over 100 smiles in four years. A hundred smiles in four years! **Over** a hundred smiles! Folks, we’re in the presence of **meme royalty.** ---
**Author:** ![Atamasama](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/atamasama/32/12961_2.png) [@Atamasama](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Atamasama)\ **Post date:** [October 10, 2023, 11:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/consulting-miderators-re-further-action/991358/20 "2023-10-10T23:29:47Z")
The idea that “The Aristocrats” wouldn’t need to be subject to the two-click rule shows an extremely fundamental misunderstanding of that rule. [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/consulting-miderators-re-further-action/991358.md?page=2)