# Containing likely abuse of executive orders, pardons and broadcasting classified information by Trump on his way out the door if he loses election **URL:** \ **Category:** Politics & Elections\ **Created:** [June 30, 2020, 6:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/containing-likely-abuse-of-executive-orders-pardons-and-broadcasting-classified-information-by-trump-on-his-way-out-the-door-if-he-loses-election/913829 "2020-06-30T18:42:17Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 3
**Author:** ![SwissMan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/e79b87/32.png) [@SwissMan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SwissMan)\ **Post date:** [July 4, 2020, 6:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/containing-likely-abuse-of-executive-orders-pardons-and-broadcasting-classified-information-by-trump-on-his-way-out-the-door-if-he-loses-election/913829/41 "2020-07-04T18:41:08Z")
Not to mention the primary reason corporations give those plums to ex-presidents is to gain the influence ex-presidents have on members of Congress. What influence would Trump possibly have? ---
**Author:** ![kaylasdad99](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kaylasdad99/32/3398_2.png) [@kaylasdad99](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kaylasdad99)\ **Post date:** [July 4, 2020, 7:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/containing-likely-abuse-of-executive-orders-pardons-and-broadcasting-classified-information-by-trump-on-his-way-out-the-door-if-he-loses-election/913829/42 "2020-07-04T19:38:12Z")
> [@Little\_Nemo](#): > > I feel Trump will also be shut out of one traditional source of income for ex-presidents; membership on corporate boards. Corporations are not going to want to deal with the controversy they would get from linking their company with Trump. Which former Presidents (other than Gerald Ford) spent their post-presidential years sitting on the boards of for-profit corporations? ETA: I spent nearly half an hour looking, and came up dry. But maybe you’re a better looker than I am. ---
**Author:** ![QuickSilver](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/quicksilver/32/7832_2.png) [@QuickSilver](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/QuickSilver)\ **Post date:** [July 4, 2020, 8:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/containing-likely-abuse-of-executive-orders-pardons-and-broadcasting-classified-information-by-trump-on-his-way-out-the-door-if-he-loses-election/913829/43 "2020-07-04T20:43:44Z")
Seems to me they make their living doing exclusive speaking engagements sponsored by large corporations and rich donors who pay $5000 a seat to hear them speak about global warming and trade policies. Basically all the subjects they didn’t do shit about while president but feel the need to continue to lecture as a pretense of advancing public policies that will be ignored by the current administration. ---
**Author:** ![not\_what\_you\_d\_expect](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/not_what_you_d_expect/32/3246_2.png) [@not\_what\_you\_d\_expect](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/not_what_you_d_expect)\ **Post date:** [July 11, 2020, 12:12am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/containing-likely-abuse-of-executive-orders-pardons-and-broadcasting-classified-information-by-trump-on-his-way-out-the-door-if-he-loses-election/913829/44 "2020-07-11T00:12:41Z")
Well, here’s a commutation. > **[Trump commutes Roger Stone's sentence, days before prison term set to begin](https://www.foxnews.com/politics/president-trump-expected-commute-roger-stone-sentence)** > > The White House announced Friday that President Trump signed an Executive Grant of Clemency commuting the "unjust sentence"  of Roger Stone, just days before the longtime political operative is slated to report to prison to serve more... ---
**Author:** ![Bijou\_Drains](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bijou_drains/32/2814_2.png) [@Bijou\_Drains](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bijou_Drains)\ **Post date:** [July 11, 2020, 12:50am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/containing-likely-abuse-of-executive-orders-pardons-and-broadcasting-classified-information-by-trump-on-his-way-out-the-door-if-he-loses-election/913829/45 "2020-07-11T00:50:56Z")
Stone got off easy, he only had to blow Trump 5 times for that. ---
**Author:** ![PhillyGuy](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/ed655f/32.png) [@PhillyGuy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/PhillyGuy)\ **Post date:** [July 11, 2020, 3:25am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/containing-likely-abuse-of-executive-orders-pardons-and-broadcasting-classified-information-by-trump-on-his-way-out-the-door-if-he-loses-election/913829/46 "2020-07-11T03:25:28Z")
> [@QuickSilver](#): > > My concern is that when Trump walks out of the White House, he goes directly to the airport and flies TrumpAir directly into Putin’s arms with as many secrets he can carry on his phone. All to save his worthless orange hide from the prosecutions that he knows are queued up and waiting for him. Secrets? The secrets are what is kept from us concerning conversations he already had with Putin. Do you think that he has the names of actual spies embedded in Moscow (or Teheran) government offices on his phone? I think not. Gina Haspel is not so dumb to tell him, besides that she probably doesn’t want to know such identifying information herself. If he runs off to one of his properties in Dubai, that would be wonderful. They’d likely make avoiding embarrassing statements a condition of allowing him to stay…As a result, the Trump era would be over. Instead, we’re likely to have Trump continue to be frequent front page news as he battles a New York State grand jury indictment. And after years of suspense, I think there would be a hung jury. If I’m wrong and he is convicted, there then will be years of appeals ending in a Supreme Court win, or him avoiding prison on grounds of by-then ill health. Another very possible scenario is that he manages to stay in office, either through electoral college manipulations, or by just plain winning the election. ---
**Author:** ![Whack-a-Mole](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/whack-a-mole/32/141_2.png) [@Whack-a-Mole](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Whack-a-Mole)\ **Post date:** [July 11, 2020, 3:43am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/containing-likely-abuse-of-executive-orders-pardons-and-broadcasting-classified-information-by-trump-on-his-way-out-the-door-if-he-loses-election/913829/47 "2020-07-11T03:43:43Z")
> [@QuickSilver](#): > > I almost think it would be worth Trump avoiding facing justice in America if he were to spend the rest of his worthless life as Putin’s forgotten and discarded puppet. Putin is not dumb. He knows that others will watch to see how Putin treats Trump. It is in Putin’s interest to set Trump up in a swank dacha and give Trump all the teenage girls and Big Macs he wants along with 24/7 cable and a Twitter account and let him live fat and happy. That would be cheap for what Putin could get out of it. And there is no need for Trump to wait till he is out of office. He’s the president. Demand that Air Force One fly him to Moscow the day before he he leaves office then refuse to get back on the plane and go home. Simple. And I am sure Putin can instruct Trump on how to obtain the things Putin wants before he leaves office. Trump is a moron. Putin is not. ---
**Author:** ![Turki-lurki](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/turki-lurki/32/7168_2.png) [@Turki-lurki](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Turki-lurki)\ **Post date:** [July 11, 2020, 3:54am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/containing-likely-abuse-of-executive-orders-pardons-and-broadcasting-classified-information-by-trump-on-his-way-out-the-door-if-he-loses-election/913829/48 "2020-07-11T03:54:36Z")
Don’t bet on that. True believers are a force of nature. Brainless, maybe, but not healthy to ignore. My personal view is that everybody needs to watch Boogaloo Bois, ku-kluckers, and white nationalists like hawks. Throw the book at them hard for every transgression. tRump made them think they have power. They must be disabused of that notion. ---
**Author:** ![ThelmaLou](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/thelmalou/32/390_2.png) [@ThelmaLou](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ThelmaLou)\ **Post date:** [July 11, 2020, 11:03am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/containing-likely-abuse-of-executive-orders-pardons-and-broadcasting-classified-information-by-trump-on-his-way-out-the-door-if-he-loses-election/913829/49 "2020-07-11T11:03:30Z")
> [@PhillyGuy](#): > > > [@QuickSilver](#): > > > > My concern is that when Trump walks out of the White House, he goes directly to the airport and flies TrumpAir directly into Putin’s arms with as many secrets he can carry on his phone. All to save his worthless orange hide from the prosecutions that he knows are queued up and waiting for him. > > Secrets? The secrets are what is kept from us concerning conversations he already had with Putin. I doubt if trump knows any “secrets.” He doesn’t read his one-page briefings because words. Nothing sticks in his head, which is one reason why he repeats a few catch phrases over and over. Putin might keep him as a trophy the way people used to keep trained bears. ---
**Author:** ![JKellyMap](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jkellymap/32/15880_2.png) [@JKellyMap](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JKellyMap)\ **Post date:** [July 11, 2020, 12:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/containing-likely-abuse-of-executive-orders-pardons-and-broadcasting-classified-information-by-trump-on-his-way-out-the-door-if-he-loses-election/913829/50 "2020-07-11T12:26:31Z")
> [@Bijou\_Drains](#): > > Stone got off easy, he only had to blow Trump 5 times for that. In this case (unlike many others), I don’t think fellatio was necessary. Just yesterday, Stone told journalist Howard Fineman that he has major dirt on Trump — basically, he claimed he could get Trump landed in jail (or at least yet more severely disgraced), so Trump HAD to do him a favor, to shut him up. Astounding. ---
**Author:** ![ThelmaLou](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/thelmalou/32/390_2.png) [@ThelmaLou](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ThelmaLou)\ **Post date:** [July 11, 2020, 12:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/containing-likely-abuse-of-executive-orders-pardons-and-broadcasting-classified-information-by-trump-on-his-way-out-the-door-if-he-loses-election/913829/51 "2020-07-11T12:31:00Z")
> [@JKellyMap](#): > > In this case (unlike many others), I don’t think fellatio was necessary. Just yesterday, Stone told journalist Howard Fineman that he has major dirt on Trump — basically, he claimed he could get Trump landed in jail (or at least yet more severely disgraced), so Trump HAD to do him a favor, to shut him up. > > Astounding.- Actually this makes more sense than anything. We know that loyalty only goes one way in the Trumpiverse, so commuting the sentence because Stone is a “pal” (as the headlines are saying) doesn’t sound likely. ---
**Author:** ![TriPolar](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/tripolar/32/3008_2.png) [@TriPolar](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/TriPolar)\ **Post date:** [July 11, 2020, 12:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/containing-likely-abuse-of-executive-orders-pardons-and-broadcasting-classified-information-by-trump-on-his-way-out-the-door-if-he-loses-election/913829/52 "2020-07-11T12:34:21Z")
I assume Trump will be out of the country on inauguration day, probably in Israel if Netanyahu can stay out of prison himself. He will not be chumming around with Putin though, Putin will reveal all the details to embarrass Trump and the US once Trump is no longer president and useless to him. ---
**Author:** ![JKellyMap](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jkellymap/32/15880_2.png) [@JKellyMap](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JKellyMap)\ **Post date:** [July 11, 2020, 12:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/containing-likely-abuse-of-executive-orders-pardons-and-broadcasting-classified-information-by-trump-on-his-way-out-the-door-if-he-loses-election/913829/53 "2020-07-11T12:35:31Z")
> [@ThelmaLou](#): > > …commuting the sentence because Stone is a “pal” (as the headlines are saying) doesn’t sound likely. I had the exact same objection to the NY Times headline! (They said “friend.”) Trump has never had a single true friend in his life. This is both the cause and the effect of so much about him. ---
**Author:** ![Crane](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/crane/32/3495_2.png) [@Crane](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Crane)\ **Post date:** [July 11, 2020, 7:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/containing-likely-abuse-of-executive-orders-pardons-and-broadcasting-classified-information-by-trump-on-his-way-out-the-door-if-he-loses-election/913829/54 "2020-07-11T19:43:31Z")
Trump can escape to Mar-a-Lago and be protected by Gov DeSantis (little Putin south). Trump is sufficiently non-swift to do things like buy bugs on ebay and install them in the WH. Of course the SS will do a sweep, but the obvious ones might be decoys to cover up real sophisticated bugs that are voice activated for record and only transmit when interrogated by someone in the press room or on a WH tour. ---
**Author:** ![Bijou\_Drains](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bijou_drains/32/2814_2.png) [@Bijou\_Drains](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bijou_Drains)\ **Post date:** [July 11, 2020, 9:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/containing-likely-abuse-of-executive-orders-pardons-and-broadcasting-classified-information-by-trump-on-his-way-out-the-door-if-he-loses-election/913829/55 "2020-07-11T21:50:38Z")
Romney said the Stone deal was unprecedented corrupt. Maybe he’s running in 2024 ---
**Author:** ![nelliebly](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/nelliebly/32/5422_2.png) [@nelliebly](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/nelliebly)\ **Post date:** [July 11, 2020, 10:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/containing-likely-abuse-of-executive-orders-pardons-and-broadcasting-classified-information-by-trump-on-his-way-out-the-door-if-he-loses-election/913829/56 "2020-07-11T22:10:40Z")
Trump won’t flee to Russia. He won’t get adoring crowds in Russia. He can barely speak English and won’t learn Russian. He’d be an afterthought there, not the top story. No, he’ll stay in the US, direct his attorneys to use every tactic available to push for plea deals that mean no jail time, and if that fails, delay every hearing, trial, and sentencing as long as possible. In the meantime, he’ll be tweeting like crazy and making big bucks off his real estate and his position as right-wing commentator on Fox or wherever and promulgating every wild QAnon theory out there. ---
**Author:** ![Alessan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/alessan/32/465_2.png) [@Alessan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Alessan)\ **Post date:** [July 11, 2020, 11:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/containing-likely-abuse-of-executive-orders-pardons-and-broadcasting-classified-information-by-trump-on-his-way-out-the-door-if-he-loses-election/913829/57 "2020-07-11T23:13:48Z")
> [@TriPolar](#): > > I assume Trump will be out of the country on inauguration day, probably in Israel if Netanyahu can stay out of prison himself. Nah. Netahyahu wouldn’t be able to stop an extradition even if he wanted to. ---
**Author:** ![flurb](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/51bf81/32.png) [@flurb](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/flurb)\ **Post date:** [July 12, 2020, 3:00am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/containing-likely-abuse-of-executive-orders-pardons-and-broadcasting-classified-information-by-trump-on-his-way-out-the-door-if-he-loses-election/913829/58 "2020-07-12T03:00:42Z")
> [@nelliebly](#): > > No, he’ll stay in the US, direct his attorneys to use every tactic available to push for plea deals that mean no jail time, and if that fails, delay every hearing, trial, and sentencing as long as possible. I fully expect that Trump’s last act in office will be to issue a full pardon for any and all crimes committed during his Presidency to himself and his inner circle. Why wouldn’t he? Decorum? Will it stand up? Maybe not, but it’ll create another layer of delay and obstruction should the Biden administration attempt to pursue Trump for any accountability for his actions. ---
**Author:** ![TriPolar](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/tripolar/32/3008_2.png) [@TriPolar](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/TriPolar)\ **Post date:** [July 12, 2020, 7:08am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/containing-likely-abuse-of-executive-orders-pardons-and-broadcasting-classified-information-by-trump-on-his-way-out-the-door-if-he-loses-election/913829/59 "2020-07-12T07:08:04Z")
It is possible no other country will take him. He’ll be left with the choice of returning home to face state charges or be an illegal immigrant in some other country. ---
**Author:** ![Bijou\_Drains](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bijou_drains/32/2814_2.png) [@Bijou\_Drains](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bijou_Drains)\ **Post date:** [July 12, 2020, 11:56am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/containing-likely-abuse-of-executive-orders-pardons-and-broadcasting-classified-information-by-trump-on-his-way-out-the-door-if-he-loses-election/913829/60 "2020-07-12T11:56:25Z")
he can bribe some foreign leader to take him [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/containing-likely-abuse-of-executive-orders-pardons-and-broadcasting-classified-information-by-trump-on-his-way-out-the-door-if-he-loses-election/913829.md?page=2) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/containing-likely-abuse-of-executive-orders-pardons-and-broadcasting-classified-information-by-trump-on-his-way-out-the-door-if-he-loses-election/913829.md?page=4)