# Contestant loses Miss USA for not being liberal enough. **URL:** \ **Category:** Great Debates\ **Created:** [April 21, 2009, 1:14am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/contestant-loses-miss-usa-for-not-being-liberal-enough/493798 "2009-04-21T01:14:08Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![Guinastasia](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/guinastasia/32/5751_2.png) [@Guinastasia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Guinastasia)\ **Post date:** [April 21, 2009, 3:35am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/contestant-loses-miss-usa-for-not-being-liberal-enough/493798/21 "2009-04-21T03:35:27Z")
Well, she pissed off Perez Hilton-that’s one point in her favor. ---
**Author:** ![Terraplane](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/74df32/32.png) [@Terraplane](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Terraplane)\ **Post date:** [April 21, 2009, 3:42am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/contestant-loses-miss-usa-for-not-being-liberal-enough/493798/22 "2009-04-21T03:42:54Z")
If she had said she felt voting should be for white people she would have been tossed out of the contest in a chorus of boos and derision. She should feel lucky she did as well as she did. ---
**Author:** ![Henrichek](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/5daacb/32.png) [@Henrichek](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Henrichek)\ **Post date:** [April 21, 2009, 3:51am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/contestant-loses-miss-usa-for-not-being-liberal-enough/493798/23 "2009-04-21T03:51:20Z")
> [@DSYoungEsq](#): > > I’d like some actual proof that her opinion cost her the crown. [QUOTE=BBC article quoted in OP] He [Perez] told ABC News: “She lost it because of that question. She was definitely the front-runner before that.” [/QUOTE] So one of the judges seems to admit this was the reason. ---
**Author:** ![DSYoungEsq](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/c6cbf5/32.png) [@DSYoungEsq](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DSYoungEsq)\ **Post date:** [April 21, 2009, 3:53am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/contestant-loses-miss-usa-for-not-being-liberal-enough/493798/24 "2009-04-21T03:53:38Z")
> [@Spavined\_Gelding](#): > > Well, of course we don’t look to Miss America, or Miss USA or Miss Whatever candidates for moral and political leadership. The point isn’t what she thinks. The point is that it seem a bit unfair to boot a participant in a appearance and grooming contest (think the American Kennel Club dog show) because they voice an opinion shared by a fair portion of the public. The ultimate question isn’t her political/social opinions. It’s whether she conforms to breed conformation standards. Does she have all her teeth? Ten fingers, ten toes? Two breasts? Perky? Same approximate size and level? Does she stand up straight? Is she a good baton twirler, piano player, flower arranger? > > We can put up with vacuous, even stupid, as long as the candidate is sexually attractive. Don’t care about her opinions. Why should the judges? IF it was true that her opinions were irrelevant, then they wouldn’t have the contestants answer questions, now would they? :smack: ---
**Author:** ![Richard\_Parker](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/35a633/32.png) [@Richard\_Parker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Richard_Parker)\ **Post date:** [April 21, 2009, 3:57am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/contestant-loses-miss-usa-for-not-being-liberal-enough/493798/25 "2009-04-21T03:57:19Z")
If the point of such questions is not to judge the answer’s content, but rather how articulate the answer is, couldn’t she have failed for that reason? ---
**Author:** ![Squink](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/b5e925/32.png) [@Squink](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Squink)\ **Post date:** [April 21, 2009, 3:57am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/contestant-loses-miss-usa-for-not-being-liberal-enough/493798/26 "2009-04-21T03:57:58Z")
> [@DSYoungEsq](#): > > IF it was true that her opinions were irrelevant, then they wouldn’t have the contestants answer questions, now would they? :smack Well sure they would, if the answers were likely to be ENTERTAINING. ---
**Author:** ![mswas](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/e99b99/32.png) [@mswas](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/mswas)\ **Post date:** [April 21, 2009, 3:58am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/contestant-loses-miss-usa-for-not-being-liberal-enough/493798/27 "2009-04-21T03:58:12Z")
Well it’s a good thing they kept that brazen bigot from being gawked at by millions of people! ---
**Author:** ![Squink](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/b5e925/32.png) [@Squink](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Squink)\ **Post date:** [April 21, 2009, 4:09am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/contestant-loses-miss-usa-for-not-being-liberal-enough/493798/28 "2009-04-21T04:09:26Z")
> [@mswas](#): > > brazen bigot More silicone than brassy, as we know, that attracts more gawkers. ---
**Author:** ![Alex\_Dubinsky](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/dbc845/32.png) [@Alex\_Dubinsky](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Alex_Dubinsky)\ **Post date:** [April 21, 2009, 4:27am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/contestant-loses-miss-usa-for-not-being-liberal-enough/493798/29 "2009-04-21T04:27:54Z")
> [@Laudenum](#): > > (Perez later called her a stupid bitch - [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d\_QhM3TK2UE](http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d_QhM3TK2UE)) Actually, Perez said something more nuanced. That she should have said it’s up to each individual state to decide. He had framed the question towards that, asking, “should every state follow Vermont.” That’d be a good answer, neither liberal nor conservative, saying that different people be free to live by their own values. ---
**Author:** ![Jophiel](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jophiel/32/66_2.png) [@Jophiel](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jophiel)\ **Post date:** [April 21, 2009, 4:33am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/contestant-loses-miss-usa-for-not-being-liberal-enough/493798/30 "2009-04-21T04:33:11Z")
I’m fully in support of gay marriage but I’m disappointed that Miss California would lose points for essentially not holding the same political views as Hilton. I read some article where he came up with some half-assed answers that she “should have said” such as “It should be decided by the states” and some idiotic non-answer that Miley Cyrus gave in an unrelated incident where she said “Everyone should be HAPPY!”. Apparently the answer she _wasn’t_ supposed to give was to speak what she throught was true and say marriage should be between a man & a woman. I disagree with Miss CA’s beliefs but I’d rather hear her honest answer than some pandering to Perez Hilton’s feelings. Hilton’s response was frankly embarassing to me. ---
**Author:** ![Ravenman](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ravenman/32/2929_2.png) [@Ravenman](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ravenman)\ **Post date:** [April 21, 2009, 4:33am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/contestant-loses-miss-usa-for-not-being-liberal-enough/493798/31 "2009-04-21T04:33:36Z")
> [@panache45](#): > > I, for one, am glad that this country won’t be represented by a bigot. And I’m glad the winner came from one of the states noted for its tolerance! (Sorry, North Carolina, but I just had to say it.) ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [April 21, 2009, 4:35am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/contestant-loses-miss-usa-for-not-being-liberal-enough/493798/32 "2009-04-21T04:35:02Z")
Wherever did she get the notion that the alternative to same-sex marriage is “opposite marriage”? ---
**Author:** ![Revtim](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/revtim/32/1042_2.png) [@Revtim](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Revtim)\ **Post date:** [April 21, 2009, 5:07am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/contestant-loses-miss-usa-for-not-being-liberal-enough/493798/33 "2009-04-21T05:07:20Z")
I rarely pay any attention to these things, has this pageant been considered to have any kind of political leanings in the past? ---
**Author:** ![Cat\_Fight](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/90ced4/32.png) [@Cat\_Fight](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cat_Fight)\ **Post date:** [April 21, 2009, 5:41am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/contestant-loses-miss-usa-for-not-being-liberal-enough/493798/34 "2009-04-21T05:41:23Z")
> [@Revtim](#): > > I rarely pay any attention to these things, has this pageant been considered to have any kind of political leanings in the past? Lest we forget the infamous wannabe [Miss Teen US American](http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lj3iNxZ8Dww), such as. My guess is they all have a standard answer for whatever question they get – something like ‘I truly feel that [blank] should be [blank] in order for all American children to achieve their dreams! Go America!’ Occasionally someone gets screwed with something out of left field, or even just anything tougher than ‘Whales: Save or Nuke?’, and suffers for it. Luck of the draw, though barely noteworthy unless it’s a spectacular disaster. But really, if she did get dumped based on her answer, more surprising than the political angle is that her words were actually given more weight than her hair, make-up and, well, weight. ---
**Author:** ![Rhythmdvl](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/85f322/32.png) [@Rhythmdvl](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rhythmdvl)\ **Post date:** [April 21, 2009, 6:03am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/contestant-loses-miss-usa-for-not-being-liberal-enough/493798/35 "2009-04-21T06:03:40Z")
> [@mrpayday](#): > > Some gay people don’t have maps and I think we should help South Africa and Iraq. Bwahahaha… ---
**Author:** ![Ready\_for\_my\_closeup](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/c37758/32.png) [@Ready\_for\_my\_closeup](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ready_for_my_closeup)\ **Post date:** [April 21, 2009, 6:29am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/contestant-loses-miss-usa-for-not-being-liberal-enough/493798/36 "2009-04-21T06:29:46Z")
> [@Laudenum](#): > > Is it fair that one contestant in a beauty pagent is asked such a more controversial question then everyone else? I was thinking to myself that probably none of the other contestants got asked such a hard question, or one designed to lose so many votes, regardless of the answer. > > Should her views on a subject that has nothing to do with the position that shes going for (aside from asinine gay stereotypes), determine whether or not she gets it? It’s not uncommon that there are potentially controversial questions in these beauty pagents. In the 1999 Miss Universe pagent the finalists were asked whether a pregnant Miss Universe should lose her title, and the eventual winner probably won due to her response to that question. [Linky](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Miss_Universe_1999). Basically, they all pretty much look alike so the judges need something to differentiate between them. It might as well be how well they’re able to think on their feet when getting an unexpected question. (Rather than: “How will you use your title to save the world?”) Sure, she was honest, but when was that ever the point of a beauty pagent? 😃 ---
**Author:** ![Rune](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/e68b1a/32.png) [@Rune](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rune)\ **Post date:** [April 21, 2009, 6:52am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/contestant-loses-miss-usa-for-not-being-liberal-enough/493798/37 "2009-04-21T06:52:17Z")
I can with some confidence speak on this subject, having just looked through all the contestants. I have to say, none of them are particular beautiful. Not a single one. They all appear to have this look you seem to like so much in the USA. Bony face and big teeth and close set eyes, make-up smeared out all over the place. But on the whole I think I’ll have to go with Miss Nevada, mostly because of her knockers. You never go wrong with a bit set of tits. Miss North Carolina and Miss California are almost indistinguishable. In the fourth picture of Miss California she looks like something really dodgy is going on, or that she just saw a wet rat go into her purse. ewwww…-face. And her eyes are bigger than on anime characters. Miss North Carolina is also kinda ugly, but in her third picture she looks ok when seen from afar and given some blur. She is the correct winner of those two. But with ugly skanks like that, no bloody wonder you have to bicker about such boring stuff like gay-marriage, which nobody gives a shit about. Go look up Miss Russia if you want to see how such girls are supposed to look. I bet they don’t have to yap about gay-marriage or any such nonsense. As long as they can cook a good borsch. ---
**Author:** ![BlankSlate](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/blankslate/32/80_2.png) [@BlankSlate](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BlankSlate)\ **Post date:** [April 21, 2009, 7:24am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/contestant-loses-miss-usa-for-not-being-liberal-enough/493798/38 "2009-04-21T07:24:17Z")
You could blacken their teeth in photoshop to make them more like your hometown cuties. 😃 ---
**Author:** ![Rune](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/e68b1a/32.png) [@Rune](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rune)\ **Post date:** [April 21, 2009, 7:50am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/contestant-loses-miss-usa-for-not-being-liberal-enough/493798/39 "2009-04-21T07:50:39Z")
> [@BlankSlate](#): > > You could blacken their teeth in photoshop to make them more like your hometown cuties. 😃 I could do that. And they would surely be prettier without those white plastic door planks you call teeth. But making them properly crooked too is beyond my Photoshop skills and why bother when any porn site have girls much more pretty. Even with clothes on. I have always found it a bit fun, that porn chicks are generally much better looking than both emaciated concentration camp escapees catwalk models and horsy looking Miss USA/America/World/bla bla. contestants. Btw. Miss Nizhny (2004 or sumething) is my all time favourite beauty contestant. [http://beeqube.com/picdump/miss\_nizhny.jpg](http://beeqube.com/picdump/miss_nizhny.jpg) . Cute as a button and big tits trying to escape and just look at those teeth! Crooked as hell. I bet she cooks a killer borsch too! ---
**Author:** ![brickbacon](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/898d66/32.png) [@brickbacon](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/brickbacon)\ **Post date:** [April 21, 2009, 8:11am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/contestant-loses-miss-usa-for-not-being-liberal-enough/493798/40 "2009-04-21T08:11:10Z")
> [@Piker](#): > > I think it’s perfectly fine that she lost the pageant on the basis of this answer, because her answer was asinine. Exactly. Regardless of her opinion in the matter, her answer showed that she is inarticulate, tactless, and irrational. Who in their right mind tells a judge in a competition that they are in, an answer that they know would be personally offensive to the judge? A smarter person, even if they wanted to express the same sentiment she did, could have done so in a more graceful and coherent manner. That alone should disqualify her. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/contestant-loses-miss-usa-for-not-being-liberal-enough/493798.md?page=1) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/contestant-loses-miss-usa-for-not-being-liberal-enough/493798.md?page=3)