Continuing discussion of SpaceX launches [edited title]

On instagram Elon has posted pictures of his original Tesla Roadster being loaded as payload for the Falcon Heavy test flight. The goal is to put it in an elliptic Mars orbit.

If he’s just throwing Teslas away like this he should feel free to send one my way.

Pretty nifty. You tend to forget how gigantic that fairing is. Not the largest of cars, but they could have launched a bus in there. Some higher res shots here.

LA folks were going kind of crazy after today’s Iridium launch. It was a spectacular view, though–just after dusk, the plume was illuminated against the night sky.

This was a pre-flown booster, but surprisingly, they didn’t recover it. They seem to be clearing out the old stock for their upcoming Block 5 variant, which should greatly cut refurbishment costs.

Damn straight!

Overheard comment at Disneyland: “Where is the line for THAT ride?”

Another ho-hum mission tonight. The main payload was called ZUMA… and with almost nothing more known about it, not even the customer. NSA spy satellite? Probably something along those lines.

Pretty awesome picture of the launch, though. You can see the stage separation, boostback burn, reentry burn, landing burn, and second stage all in one (combined) long exposure. Neat.

you’re more right than you realize, the payload WAS called Zuma.

The reporting is pretty weird. So far, there’s no indication that the Falcon 9 failed in any way. For instance, these tweets:

Apparently, Northrup Grumman did the payload integration, along with the stage separation component. So I suppose it would be their fault if anyone’s.

Then again, maybe this is all some kind of false rumor to distract people from their super-secret stealth satellite…

Surely they aren’t that dumb. They should have known that this rumor would change public perception of Zuma from “meh, just another spy satellite” to “OMG what happened! Did it really fail!? Did SpaceX screw up?!”

ArsTechnica update (something happened, but whose fault it is debatable)

Brian

Did you mean to post a link?

yes, I meant to include the link – sorry and thanks for providing it
Brian

Well, it wouldn’t be the first time they’ve tried similar tactics:

Just had a thought.

That Tesla going in the Falcon Heavy. It needs a driver.

I nominate Buster from Myth Busters !

Anybody want to tweet that to Elon? Don’t have an account myself.

Screw that, I’ll drive. Just think - you’d be the first fully organic auto-pilot in space!

With the Falcon Heavy launch looming so close, I’m just worried that the whole Zuma kerfuffle will wind up delaying FH.

Or worse, open SpaceX up to some sort of unpleasant lawsuit or government regulation. Someone’s likely not happy about a billion dollar satellite going boom.

Well, yeah.

Isn’t the upcoming heavy launch just a test? The worst that can happen is that they learn something from a failure.

More (non) information from Ars (this time with a link)

Brian

Matt Desch of Iridium getting into it on Twitter:

My working theory:

  • Falcon 9 performs just fine. Payload gets to the requested orbit.
  • Northrup Grumman payload separator fails. Satellite stuck to second stage.
  • Northrup requests more time to get the adapter working. Maybe jiggling the stage around will free it; maybe cycle the latches a bunch of times.
  • SpaceX says no; not in the contract and besides, our stage is only rated for a few hours. If we don’t deorbit it now then it might never deorbit. We can’t be liable for problems arising from this (space junk, ground impact, whatever). SpaceX deorbits the stage with the satellite attached.
  • Northrup Grumman gets pissy, blaming SpaceX for ditching their satellite into the ocean.

The Falcon 9 stage clearly made orbit, and while I don’t think there’s any public confirmation that it made the right orbit (in principle, it maybe have underperformed and left the satellite in a decaying orbit), I think eventually someone will confirm that. Too many parties with eyes on it to hide that. Plus SpaceX said that the rocket performed nominally and they aren’t too likely to lie about that sort of thing.

Not a SpaceX question, but I don’t see a thread on the Delta 4 launch from Vandenberg today (1/12) - So just before launch there was a flare-up that charred the lower half of the rocket. Was this normal?

edited to add: Video of launch (flare-up at 1:02)