# Contradictions in the bible **URL:** \ **Category:** Factual Questions\ **Created:** [August 20, 2011, 10:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/contradictions-in-the-bible/593471 "2011-08-20T22:02:51Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 5\ **Page:** 3
**Author:** ![Knorf](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/58956e/32.png) [@Knorf](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Knorf)\ **Post date:** [August 23, 2011, 4:56am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/contradictions-in-the-bible/593471/41 "2011-08-23T04:56:05Z")
Which just proves the point of how many people of faith throw themselves into all kinds of crazy contortions to reconcile contradictions in the Bible. You haven’t adequately dealt with this statement, from Jesus himself, no less: “For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled.” Have the heave and earth passed, yet? Yea or nay? If nay, than the Law is valid, and Paul is wrong. ---
**Author:** ![Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e99b99/32.png) [@Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Diogenes_the_Cynic)\ **Post date:** [August 23, 2011, 4:58am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/contradictions-in-the-bible/593471/42 "2011-08-23T04:58:58Z")
> [@gatorslap](#): > > He didn’t say “The Law” either. Um..,yeah he did. For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from **the law** , till all be fulfilled. 19Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven: but whosoever shall do and teach them, the same shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven. He said not to fuck with the law. He couldn’t have been any more clear. > [@](#): > > I have no idea how you get “obey it in full” out of “making it full”. They both contain the word “full” but otherwise they have nothing to do with each other. They do in Greek. > [@](#): > > That’s because speed limit laws aren’t of the same nature. This is not a valid analogy. What’s different about them? Mosaic Law was just a set of rules like traffic laws. How can a set of rules be “completed?” > [@](#): > > This was God’s law and covenant. The covenant is that if Jews follow the law, then God will treat them well. > [@](#): > > Jesus was sent from heaven to fulfill/complete it, by following it perfectly, which no one else was capable of. This has no basis in Jewish belief or scripture. This is not anything the Jewish Messiah can do. > [@](#): > > He didn’t do so just because he was really good. He did it on behalf of mankind. Then he died for mankind’s sins, and upon his ascension and resurrection heaven and earth passed. A new era was born and mankind was no longer bound by the old law. This is just witnessing. it has nothing to do with the fact that the Gospels say Jesus told his followers to keep obeying Jewish law. > [@](#): > > This isn’t just my personal pet theory. This is what many Christians believe. I know what they believe but they believe it based on the writings of Paul, not Jesus. Paul contradicts Jesus in this regard. ---
**Author:** ![brocks](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/7feea3/32.png) [@brocks](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/brocks)\ **Post date:** [August 25, 2011, 10:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/contradictions-in-the-bible/593471/43 "2011-08-25T22:22:27Z")
> [@Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](#): > > the Greek words _malakoi kai arsenokoitai_ are often incorrectly translated as referring to homosexuals. They don’t. A common misconception. Those words are actually from the Gutenburg Bible, and arsencoitus is indeed German for gay sex. ---
**Author:** ![brocks](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/7feea3/32.png) [@brocks](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/brocks)\ **Post date:** [August 25, 2011, 10:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/contradictions-in-the-bible/593471/44 "2011-08-25T22:32:04Z")
> [@gatorslap](#): > > . > > Not all translations use the word “fulfill” in that passage. Look at the God’s Word translation: > > “Don’t ever think that I came to set aside Moses’ Teachings or the Prophets. I didn’t come to set them aside but to make them come true. I can guarantee this truth: Until the earth and the heavens disappear, neither a period nor a comma will disappear from Moses’ Teachings before everything has come true.” Even that tortured translation makes it clear that the Mosiac Law is still in force. Heaven and earth have not disappeared, and everything prophesied has not come true. There has not been a Messiah who has defeated Israel’s enemies and ruled from the Throne of David; the lion has not lain down with the lamb; etc. Besides, why would Jesus say, “Be sure you follow every jot and tittle of the law for the next few weeks,” (or “months,” depending on how much later he was crucified)? ---
**Author:** ![brocks](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/7feea3/32.png) [@brocks](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/brocks)\ **Post date:** [August 25, 2011, 10:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/contradictions-in-the-bible/593471/45 "2011-08-25T22:41:59Z")
> [@kanicbird](#): > > Jesus came to set the people free, which means the OT laws are nailed to tree, they have no enforcement (death where is your sting). And they will get in the way of doing God’s work. There are different kinds of Jewish Laws. Some are a matter of ceremony or ritual, like the dietary laws, or circumcision. You can make a case for those being obsolete. But some have to do with morality. Even if you believe that your salvation no longer depends on them, there is no good argument for not continuing to follow them. If they were good enough for Moses, they should be good enough for you. Thus, a logically consistent Christian should agree with laws calling for the execution of homosexuals. And adulterers. And women who cannot prove their virginity on their wedding night. And women who are raped within city limits. Sluts. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/contradictions-in-the-bible/593471.md?page=2)