# Controversial encounters between law-enforcement and civilians - the omnibus thread #2 **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [June 23, 2020, 8:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread-2/912531 "2020-06-23T20:29:26Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 102
**Author:** ![Telemark](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/telemark/32/372_2.png) [@Telemark](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Telemark)\ **Post date:** [August 9, 2021, 8:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread-2/912531/2027 "2021-08-09T20:38:21Z")
> [@mjmartin](#): > > With few exceptions, appeals Courts have found there is a right to film police. Does any of that extend to filming a 3rd party in public? The question here was a little broader than filming the police. ---
**Author:** ![mjmartin](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/3d9bf3/32.png) [@mjmartin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/mjmartin)\ **Post date:** [August 9, 2021, 9:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread-2/912531/2028 "2021-08-09T21:03:05Z")
Good point. Yes. I don’t want to spend the time going through the case law, but here is an excellent write up from the ACLU. [https://www.google.com/search?client=firefox-b-1-d&q=filming+right+to+privacy+in+public](https://www.google.com/search?client=firefox-b-1-d&q=filming+right+to+privacy+in+public) The cases I listed also specifically talk about filming an officer in the performance of his duties, so an arrest applies. Finally, even if the court found a right to privacy in public for suspects, the suspect, not the police would need to assert the right (assuming the suspect is an adult). ---
**Author:** ![PastTense](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/pasttense/32/14550_2.png) [@PastTense](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/PastTense)\ **Post date:** [August 13, 2021, 7:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread-2/912531/2029 "2021-08-13T19:46:27Z")
> A Southern California police officer searching for a burglary suspect on a February night opened the door of a portable toilet and found him. Seconds later, the unarmed man was dead. > > Fontana police on Thursday released [body-worn camera footage](https://fb.watch/7mnCutUdgc/), narrated by Chief Billy Green, from the fatal encounter. Green said the man, Daverion Deauntre Kinard, was holding a “metallic object” in his hand as he sat on the portable toilet. It turned out to be a lighter. [https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/video-shows-unarmed-man-fatally-shot-by-california-police/ar-AANhWxG](https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/video-shows-unarmed-man-fatally-shot-by-california-police/ar-AANhWxG) [![](https://img.youtube.com/vi/NIOEg_XO1lA/maxresdefault.jpg "New Video Of Deadly Police Shooting In Fontana") ](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NIOEg_XO1lA&t=26s) But he was holding a lighter! He could attack a policeman with that. ---
**Author:** ![Snowboarder\_Bo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/snowboarder_bo/32/229_2.png) [@Snowboarder\_Bo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Snowboarder_Bo)\ **Post date:** [August 14, 2021, 5:57am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread-2/912531/2030 "2021-08-14T05:57:12Z")
It’s practically a flamethrower, after all! ---
**Author:** ![mjmartin](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/3d9bf3/32.png) [@mjmartin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/mjmartin)\ **Post date:** [August 16, 2021, 3:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread-2/912531/2031 "2021-08-16T15:22:16Z")
A swarm of cops beat the suspect, then tackled and beat a bystander for filming. Not a single “good cop” in sight. > **[Five Miami Beach cops charged after pummeling two men in hotel lobby. Video...](https://www.miamiherald.com/news/local/crime/article253191533.html)** > > Five Miami Beach police officers were hit with criminal charges on Monday for using excessive force on a man in handcuffs and for pummeling a bystander who was videotaping the incident on his cellphone. ---
**Author:** ![running\_coach](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/running_coach/32/15836_2.png) [@running\_coach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/running_coach)\ **Post date:** [August 16, 2021, 3:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread-2/912531/2032 "2021-08-16T15:37:16Z")
> [@PastTense](#): > > But he was holding a lighter! He could attack a policeman with that. - The resident gun nuts were defending [a gun that looks like a cellphone.](https://www.huffpost.com/entry/ideal-conceal-gun-smartphone_n_56fab0c4e4b0a372181b0c0f) What could possibly go wrong? ---
**Author:** ![Mighty\_Mouse](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mighty_mouse/32/7776_2.png) [@Mighty\_Mouse](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mighty_Mouse)\ **Post date:** [August 16, 2021, 3:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread-2/912531/2033 "2021-08-16T15:53:38Z")
Frightening thing is that one of them is a cop. Maybe ANYTHING “could be a gun” is a valuable tool in the LEO defender arsenal. ---
**Author:** ![wguy123](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/wguy123/32/3161_2.png) [@wguy123](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/wguy123)\ **Post date:** [August 16, 2021, 7:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread-2/912531/2034 "2021-08-16T19:44:54Z")
Holy shit! That was a fucking swarm of them. And the “few bad apples” saying is so incorrect. If only there was one good apple in that fucking bunch! ---
**Author:** ![mjmartin](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/3d9bf3/32.png) [@mjmartin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/mjmartin)\ **Post date:** [August 16, 2021, 8:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread-2/912531/2035 "2021-08-16T20:34:05Z")
> [@wguy123](#): > > If only there was one good apple in that fucking bunch! I take the smallest amount of comfort to know that there was at least charges brought against a few of the officers. There isn’t one officer there that should be allowed on the streets again. It appeared to be more of a gang brawl than a police enforcement action. The message those officers gave was clear: touch one of us, and we will beat you to an inch of your life. Disgusting. ---
**Author:** ![wguy123](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/wguy123/32/3161_2.png) [@wguy123](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/wguy123)\ **Post date:** [August 16, 2021, 8:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread-2/912531/2036 "2021-08-16T20:51:28Z")
Along with any bystanders. ---
**Author:** ![kayaker](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kayaker/32/441_2.png) [@kayaker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kayaker)\ **Post date:** [August 16, 2021, 10:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread-2/912531/2037 "2021-08-16T22:20:03Z")
The soon-to-be-rich bystanders, I hope. ---
**Author:** ![Slash1972](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/slash1972/32/6461_2.png) [@Slash1972](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Slash1972)\ **Post date:** [August 18, 2021, 3:55am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread-2/912531/2038 "2021-08-18T03:55:53Z")
> [@mjmartin](#): > > A swarm of cops beat the suspect, then tackled and beat a bystander for filming. Not a single “good cop” in sight. Holy shit! And people say being blocked by Facebook is tyranny? you’ve got to be shitting me! ---
**Author:** ![Snowboarder\_Bo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/snowboarder_bo/32/229_2.png) [@Snowboarder\_Bo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Snowboarder_Bo)\ **Post date:** [August 19, 2021, 2:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread-2/912531/2039 "2021-08-19T14:56:02Z")
How about this? > **[How AI-powered tech landed man in jail with scant evidence](https://apnews.com/article/artificial-intelligence-algorithm-technology-police-crime-7e3345485aa668c97606d4b54f9b6220)** > > CHICAGO (AP) — Michael Williams’ wife pleaded with him to remember their fishing trips with the grandchildren, how he used to braid her hair, anything to jar him back to his world outside the concrete walls of Cook County Jail. “Scant evidence” is an exaggeration. ---
**Author:** ![Typo\_Negative](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/typo_negative/32/484_2.png) [@Typo\_Negative](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Typo_Negative)\ **Post date:** [August 20, 2021, 4:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread-2/912531/2040 "2021-08-20T16:03:26Z")
[https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/2-ex-cops-charged-for-alleged-swastika-vandalism-13-on-leave/ar-AANxUzv?li=BBnb7Kz](https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/2-ex-cops-charged-for-alleged-swastika-vandalism-13-on-leave/ar-AANxUzv?li=BBnb7Kz) > Two former Torrance, California officers are facing vandalism charges after they allegedly spray-painted a swastika on a car they impounded, the Los Angeles County District Attorney announced Thursday. More than a dozen other officers have been placed on leave after the investigation revealed they allegedly shared racist, homophobic and antisemitic messages, Not the best OR the brightest. Seriously, is prejudice a job requirement? ---
**Author:** ![Snowboarder\_Bo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/snowboarder_bo/32/229_2.png) [@Snowboarder\_Bo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Snowboarder_Bo)\ **Post date:** [August 21, 2021, 5:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread-2/912531/2041 "2021-08-21T17:36:15Z")
I think we missed this a few days ago; I know I’ve been busy lately and it’s hard to keep up: > **[Body camera video shows violent arrest of teenagers in Providence](https://www.providencejournal.com/story/news/local/2021/08/18/body-camera-video-shows-violent-arrest-teenagers-providence/8185812002/)** > > The arrests followed reports that the teens had been pointing BB guns at people in the city, and a pursuit. ---
**Author:** ![Rick\_Kitchen](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/rick_kitchen/32/522_2.png) [@Rick\_Kitchen](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rick_Kitchen)\ **Post date:** [August 22, 2021, 1:37am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread-2/912531/2042 "2021-08-22T01:37:32Z")
Pennsylvania police chief suspended (for a whole 3 days) for harassing a pregnant black woman with her child in her car) for taking too long at the pharmacy drive through. > **[Pennsylvania Police Chief Suspended After Harassing Pregnant Black Woman](https://www.theroot.com/pennsylvania-police-chief-suspended-after-harassing-pre-1847532517)** > > Last week, Police Chief Jeff Desimone just couldn't wait for his prescription. Now, he will have 72 hours to work on his patience. ---
**Author:** ![Bill\_Door](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/50afbb/32.png) [@Bill\_Door](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bill_Door)\ **Post date:** [August 23, 2021, 6:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread-2/912531/2043 "2021-08-23T18:49:21Z")
No real explanation as to why the officer elected to shoot at anyone, or how it came to pass that a bystander was shot and killed, but they’ll look into it. [https://abcnews.go.com/US/wireStory/california-officer-shoots-suspect-kills-bystander-79601887](https://abcnews.go.com/US/wireStory/california-officer-shoots-suspect-kills-bystander-79601887) ---
**Author:** ![Morgyn](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/morgyn/32/3041_2.png) [@Morgyn](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Morgyn)\ **Post date:** [August 23, 2021, 11:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread-2/912531/2044 "2021-08-23T23:38:58Z")
To quote Jim Wright (again), > There are no accidents with guns. ---
**Author:** ![eschereal](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/eschereal/32/18939_2.png) [@eschereal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/eschereal)\ **Post date:** [August 24, 2021, 10:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread-2/912531/2045 "2021-08-24T22:52:07Z")
… ~~accidentally~~ carelessly/recklessly/stupidly shot … ---
**Author:** ![Snowboarder\_Bo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/snowboarder_bo/32/229_2.png) [@Snowboarder\_Bo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Snowboarder_Bo)\ **Post date:** [August 25, 2021, 3:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread-2/912531/2046 "2021-08-25T15:51:19Z")
Louisiana, again: > **['Pain compliance': Video shows trooper pummeling Black man](https://apnews.com/article/police-louisiana-monroe-ronald-greene-6c56ef6f5f3bc413d150737bf705e944)** > > Graphic body camera video kept secret for more than two years shows a Louisiana State trooper pummeling a Black motorist 18 times with a flashlight — an attack the trooper defended as “pain compliance.” There’s a lot of wrong in this story. > “I’m not resisting! I’m not resisting!” Aaron Larry Bowman can be heard screaming between blows on the footage obtained by The Associated Press. The May 2019 beating following a traffic stop left him with a broken jaw, three broken ribs, a broken wrist and a gash to his head that required six staples to close. > State police didn’t investigate the attack on Bowman until 536 days after it occurred — even though it was captured on body camera — and only did so weeks after Bowman brought a civil lawsuit. What does the footage show? > [@](#): > > Wielding an 8-inch aluminum flashlight reinforced with a pointed end to shatter car glass, Brown jumped out of his state police vehicle and began bashing Bowman on his head and body within two seconds of “initial contact” — unleashing 18 strikes in 24 seconds, detectives wrote in an investigative report. > > “Give me your f------ hands!” the trooper shouted. “I ain’t messing with you.” > > Bowman tried to explain several times that he was a dialysis patient, had done nothing wrong and wasn’t resisting, saying, “I’m not fighting you, you’re fighting me.” > > Brown responded with: “Shut the f—- up!” and “You ain’t listening.” Then, in a big surprise move: > [@](#): > > Brown not only failed to report his use of force but mislabeled his footage as a “citizen encounter” in what investigators called “an intentional attempt to hide the video from any administrative review.” > > Bowman’s defense attorney, Keith Whiddon, said he was initially told there was no body-camera video. Also: “pain compliance”? How is this not just “a beating”? Calling things by different names doesn’t magically change what they are. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread-2/912531.md?page=101) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread-2/912531.md?page=103)