# Controversial encounters between law-enforcement and civilians - the omnibus thread #2 **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [June 23, 2020, 8:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread-2/912531 "2020-06-23T20:29:26Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 104
**Author:** ![Typo\_Negative](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/typo_negative/32/484_2.png) [@Typo\_Negative](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Typo_Negative)\ **Post date:** [September 1, 2021, 6:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread-2/912531/2067 "2021-09-01T18:06:34Z")
[https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/crime/colorado-police-and-paramedics-face-32-count-indictment-in-death-of-elijah-mcclain/ar-AANZm0C?ocid=Peregrine](https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/crime/colorado-police-and-paramedics-face-32-count-indictment-in-death-of-elijah-mcclain/ar-AANZm0C?ocid=Peregrine) ---
**Author:** ![GreysonCarlisle](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/a87d85/32.png) [@GreysonCarlisle](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GreysonCarlisle)\ **Post date:** [September 1, 2021, 8:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread-2/912531/2068 "2021-09-01T20:05:12Z")
About damn time. ---
**Author:** ![Snowboarder\_Bo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/snowboarder_bo/32/229_2.png) [@Snowboarder\_Bo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Snowboarder_Bo)\ **Post date:** [September 1, 2021, 8:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread-2/912531/2069 "2021-09-01T20:27:17Z")
I came in to post the the same story on the AP: > **[Officers, medics indicted in 2019 death of Elijah McClain](https://apnews.com/article/police-colorado-denver-police-brutality-759ea1fc64ddf043e0c1356da49ddf46)** > > DENVER (AP) — Three suburban Denver police officers and two paramedics were indicted on manslaughter and other charges in the 2019 death of Elijah McClain, a 23-year-old Black man put into a chokehold and injected with a powerful sedative in a fatal... And to make basically the same comment. ---
**Author:** ![mjmartin](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/3d9bf3/32.png) [@mjmartin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/mjmartin)\ **Post date:** [September 1, 2021, 10:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread-2/912531/2070 "2021-09-01T22:51:57Z")
Officer in Western MA had a picture of Hitletr hanging in his locker for 20 years, is on the Brady list of non credible officers who cannot testify in Court due to giving false testimony, and still has a job. > **[National Legal Organization Calls On Williamstown To Fire Officer Who Hung...](https://www.wamc.org/new-england-news/2021-08-06/national-legal-organization-calls-on-williamstown-to-fire-officer-who-hung-hitler-photo-in-locker)** > > A national racial justice legal organization is calling on Williamstown, Massachusetts to fire a town police officer who hung a photo of Hitler in his… ---
**Author:** ![Ponderoid](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ponderoid/32/19221_2.png) [@Ponderoid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ponderoid)\ **Post date:** [September 1, 2021, 11:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread-2/912531/2071 "2021-09-01T23:41:00Z")
> [@mjmartin](#): > > Brady list of non credible officers who cannot testify in Court due to giving false testimony What a weird coincidence. Up until your post, I don’t recall seeing anyone mention the Brady list in any other post on the SDMB. Just yesterday, I learned about it while listening to _Consider This_’s rebroadcast of an episode from _On Our Watch_: > **[On Our Watch: The Brady Rule : Consider This from NPR](https://www.npr.org/2021/08/20/1029754304/on-our-watch-the-brady-rule)** > > Antioch police officials suspected one of their veteran detectives of leaking operational details as far back as 2010. But they didn't fire Santiago Castillo for another seven years. During that time, he investigated hundreds of cases including... _[On Our Watch](https://www.kqed.org/podcasts/onourwatch)_ is all about police misconduct. Nitpick, I just learned from that podcast that nothing stops an officer on that list from testifying, but defense attorneys can use the info from the list to attack that officer’s credibility. ---
**Author:** ![Snowboarder\_Bo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/snowboarder_bo/32/229_2.png) [@Snowboarder\_Bo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Snowboarder_Bo)\ **Post date:** [September 3, 2021, 12:33am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread-2/912531/2072 "2021-09-03T00:33:31Z")
Georgia! 😃 Check this out! > **[Ex-prosecutor indicted for misconduct in Ahmaud Arbery death](https://apnews.com/article/ahmaud-arbery-98619c2b1eb0d6bf17d3eacdd1bf9ffc)** > > A former Georgia prosecutor has been indicted on misconduct charges related to the killing of Ahmaud Arbery. > [@](#): > > A former Georgia prosecutor was indicted Thursday on misconduct charges alleging she used her position to shield the men who chased and killed Ahmaud Arbery from being charged with crimes immediately after the shootings. > > A grand jury in coastal Glynn County indicted former Brunswick Judicial Circuit District Attorney Jackie Johnson on a felony count of violating her oath of office and hindering a law enforcement officer, a misdemeanor. > > The indictment resulted from [an investigation](https://apnews.com/article/shootings-us-news-ap-top-news-ahmaud-arbery-brunswick-29f5bd4c4c2237ce9597173f57d534ed) Georgia Attorney General Chris Carr requested last year into local prosecutors’ handling of Arbery’s slaying after a cellphone video of the shooting and a delay in charges sparked a national outcry. > > “While an indictment was returned today, our file is not closed, and we will continue to investigate in order to pursue justice,” Carr, a Republican, said in a statement. 😃 👍 ---
**Author:** ![Rick\_Kitchen](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/rick_kitchen/32/522_2.png) [@Rick\_Kitchen](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rick_Kitchen)\ **Post date:** [September 3, 2021, 1:12am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread-2/912531/2073 "2021-09-03T01:12:44Z")
Former Georgia prosecutor indicted by a grand jury for intervening in favor of the police in the Ahmed Arbery investigation. > **[Former DA indicted after allegedly 'showing favor' to men accused of killing...](https://www.nbcnews.com/news/nbcblk/former-da-indicted-allegedly-showing-favor-men-accused-killing-ahmaud-n1278416)** > > Jacquelyn Lee Johnson is accused of violation of oath of public officer and obstruction of a police officer in her handling of the case, the Georgia attorney general announced. ---
**Author:** ![mikecurtis](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mikecurtis/32/3284_2.png) [@mikecurtis](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/mikecurtis)\ **Post date:** [September 3, 2021, 1:36am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread-2/912531/2075 "2021-09-03T01:36:23Z")
Good news deserves an echo. ---
**Author:** ![PastTense](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/pasttense/32/14550_2.png) [@PastTense](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/PastTense)\ **Post date:** [September 3, 2021, 2:02am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread-2/912531/2076 "2021-09-03T02:02:26Z")
> **[Eight-year-old girl killed at high school football game likely shot by...](https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2021/sep/02/girl-shooting-football-game-police-sharon-hill)** > > District attorney says Sharon Hill officers were returning fire when the girl was killed and her sister wounded in incident near Philadelphia Besides Fanta Bility’s death three individuals in the crowd of football fans were wounded by police who don’t know any better than to fire into a crowd of innocent bystanders. [![](https://www.inquirer.com/resizer/NPEEHxOmpSiR4TlZYiXxWNThBp8=/700x467/smart/filters:format(webp)/cloudfront-us-east-1.images.arcpublishing.com/pmn/MO3OAZF4LFBHJO3HZRTAQGNEHE.jpg) ](https://www.inquirer.com/resizer/NPEEHxOmpSiR4TlZYiXxWNThBp8=/700x467/smart/filters:format(webp)/cloudfront-us-east-1.images.arcpublishing.com/pmn/MO3OAZF4LFBHJO3HZRTAQGNEHE.jpg) ---
**Author:** ![Ike\_Witt](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ike_witt/32/283_2.png) [@Ike\_Witt](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ike_Witt)\ **Post date:** [September 3, 2021, 1:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread-2/912531/2077 "2021-09-03T13:38:53Z")
Jesus fucking Christ. Do some police forces select for moronism? ---
**Author:** ![Tatterdemalion](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/43a26b/32.png) [@Tatterdemalion](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Tatterdemalion)\ **Post date:** [September 3, 2021, 3:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread-2/912531/2078 "2021-09-03T15:26:14Z")
[Yes.](https://abcnews.go.com/US/court-oks-barring-high-iqs-cops/story?id=95836) Apparently it’s ok for police departments to deliberately select for morons. ---
**Author:** ![silenus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/silenus/32/166_2.png) [@silenus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/silenus)\ **Post date:** [September 3, 2021, 3:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread-2/912531/2079 "2021-09-03T15:27:58Z")
> [@Ike\_Witt](#): > > Do some police forces select for moronism? Some? ---
**Author:** ![eschereal](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/eschereal/32/18939_2.png) [@eschereal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/eschereal)\ **Post date:** [September 3, 2021, 9:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread-2/912531/2080 "2021-09-03T21:46:43Z")
> [@Ike\_Witt](#): > > Jesus fucking Christ. Do some police forces select for moronism? It may be that the type that PDs select for are not morons, _per se_, merely the ones that they can turn into morons (iow, they do not _choose_ morons, they _generate_ them). ---
**Author:** ![eschereal](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/eschereal/32/18939_2.png) [@eschereal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/eschereal)\ **Post date:** [September 4, 2021, 5:04am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread-2/912531/2081 "2021-09-04T05:04:55Z")
Here is a good one: [Oz Parliament abruptly passes a law that](https://www.iflscience.com/policy/australias-new-police-powers-allow-them-to-control-social-media-accounts-delete-data/?) gives police the opportunity to obtain warrants allowing them to take over a suspect’s internet presence. Warrants that do not require approval from a judge but from some kind of shadowy warrant commission. These are powers that no other country makes available to LEAs, but apparently they have huge problems down under that call for drastic measures. ---
**Author:** ![Alessan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/alessan/32/465_2.png) [@Alessan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Alessan)\ **Post date:** [September 4, 2021, 8:26am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread-2/912531/2082 "2021-09-04T08:26:32Z")
For some reason, the Australian government really, really hates the internet. ---
**Author:** ![Superdude](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/superdude/32/13450_2.png) [@Superdude](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Superdude)\ **Post date:** [September 4, 2021, 8:27am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread-2/912531/2083 "2021-09-04T08:27:51Z")
In all fairness, most of society in general hates Australia, so… ---
**Author:** ![Gretzky](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gretzky/32/6682_2.png) [@Gretzky](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gretzky)\ **Post date:** [September 4, 2021, 8:35am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread-2/912531/2084 "2021-09-04T08:35:39Z")
These stories of indictments are, of course, encouraging, and “indicted” is a great word, but is rendered moot without the subsequent stories using the word “convicted.” ---
**Author:** ![Cervaise](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cervaise/32/16693_2.png) [@Cervaise](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cervaise)\ **Post date:** [September 4, 2021, 12:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread-2/912531/2085 "2021-09-04T12:30:09Z")
> **[Man who shot at cops in unrest over Floyd death is acquitted](https://news.yahoo.com/man-shot-cops-unrest-over-210246367.html)** > > A man charged with attempted murder after firing at Minneapolis police officers in the chaotic protests that followed George Floyd’s death has been acquitted of all charges against him. Jaleel Stallings argued self-defense during his July trial,... Good news is the acquittal. Bad news (as usual) is the confirmation that the cops were behaving as vengeance-minded thugs instead of law enforcement professionals. Raise your hand if you’re surprised. ---
**Author:** ![Rick\_Kitchen](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/rick_kitchen/32/522_2.png) [@Rick\_Kitchen](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rick_Kitchen)\ **Post date:** [September 5, 2021, 12:49am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread-2/912531/2086 "2021-09-05T00:49:53Z")
Cops in Burlington, Vermont let a guy go after he assaulted two traffic guards because he refused to get out of his car and he has a history of violence, so they didn’t want to deal with him (white, of course). They did arrest him later at his home. > **[After Alleged Traffic Guard Attack, Violent Suspect Let Go](https://www.newsweek.com/after-alleged-traffic-guard-attack-violent-suspect-refused-arrest-so-police-let-him-go-1625999)** > > The repeat violent offender simply refused to get out of his truck to be arrested and drove away. ---
**Author:** ![PastTense](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/pasttense/32/14550_2.png) [@PastTense](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/PastTense)\ **Post date:** [September 7, 2021, 1:02am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread-2/912531/2087 "2021-09-07T01:02:54Z")
Here’s a situation which looks like suicide by cop: > **[Man fatally shot by police faced depression, drug abuse](https://www.thegazette.com/crime-courts/man-fatally-shot-by-police-near-martelle-struggled-with-depression-drug-addition-mother-says/)** > > Jeremy Michael Berg would not put down a knife after being rescued from a fire inside his grandparents’ machine shop. “I think he pushed the limit to get the officers to shoot him,” his mother said. I wish law enforcement had much better training to deal with mental health situations rather than just start shooting. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread-2/912531.md?page=103) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread-2/912531.md?page=105)