# Controversial encounters between law-enforcement and civilians - the omnibus thread #2 **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [June 23, 2020, 8:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread-2/912531 "2020-06-23T20:29:26Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 106
**Author:** ![Rick\_Kitchen](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/rick_kitchen/32/522_2.png) [@Rick\_Kitchen](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rick_Kitchen)\ **Post date:** [September 19, 2021, 5:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread-2/912531/2108 "2021-09-19T17:18:38Z")
A Texas cop issued a bogus citation to a black man for failing to produce his id. The cop then proceeded to handcuff the man and drag him down the street to the cop’s car. The cop was suspended for a whole 20 days. > **[Texas Officer Who Issued Bogus Misdemeanor to Black Man for Not Showing ID...](https://atlantablackstar.com/2021/09/18/texas-officer-who-issued-bogus-misdemeanor-to-black-man-for-not-showing-id-seen-dragging-him-down-the-street-in-new-footage/)** > > Footage released on Tuesday shows the incident that resulted in a 20-day suspension without pay for a San Antonio police detective. In the video, ---
**Author:** ![GreysonCarlisle](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/a87d85/32.png) [@GreysonCarlisle](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GreysonCarlisle)\ **Post date:** [September 19, 2021, 5:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread-2/912531/2109 "2021-09-19T17:30:13Z")
> [@Rick\_Kitchen](#): > > A Texas cop issued a bogus citation to a black man for failing to produce his id. The cop then proceeded to handcuff the man and drag him down the street to the cop’s car. The cop was suspended for a whole 20 days.  > [Texas Officer Who Issued Bogus Misdemeanor to Black Man for Not Showing ID Seen Dragging Him Down the Street In New Footage](https://atlantablackstar.com/2021/09/18/texas-officer-who-issued-bogus-misdemeanor-to-black-man-for-not-showing-id-seen-dragging-him-down-the-street-in-new-footage/) From another article: > [@](#): > > “Detective Pantoja did not thoroughly understand the laws and ordinances which he was charged with enforcing when he issued the citation in question,” Pantoja’s suspension paperwork states. but > [@](#): > > Pantoja has worked for SAPD since 1996, city records show. Unless the laws have recently changed, this is bullshit. He knew. He’s either too stupid to work in law enforcement or he’s one of those muh authorituh types who have no business working in law enforcement. Since he has also emailed victims of crimes to tell them to think of the poor cops who had to do their damn jobs, I’m guessing both. > **[SAPD detective suspended for inhumane treatment of handcuffed man, records show](https://www.ksat.com/news/local/2021/08/10/sapd-detective-suspended-for-inhumane-treatment-of-handcuffed-man-records-show/)** > > A veteran San Antonio Police Department detective has been suspended 20 days after investigators said he dragged a screaming, handcuffed man down the street then refused to provide him medical help. ---
**Author:** ![eschereal](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/eschereal/32/18939_2.png) [@eschereal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/eschereal)\ **Post date:** [September 19, 2021, 5:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread-2/912531/2110 "2021-09-19T17:50:40Z")
[Aurora CO appears to be systemically fucked up](https://www.cnn.com/2021/09/15/us/aurora-colorado-police-fire-department-investigation/index.html) > [@](#): > > The Aurora Fire Department suspended the use of ketamine on September 14, 2020, but ketamine administration records from January 2019 to June 2020 show that during that period, the department reported administering ketamine 22 times for excited delirium, a life-threatening medical emergency, according to Weiser’s release. > > “These records show that, in more than half the incidents, paramedics failed to follow ketamine monitoring protocols and administered ketamine at doses above the maximum allowable dose for the reported weight of the subject,” the release said. > > AFD paramedics diagnosed McClain, the 23-year-old Black man killed during a police stop in 2019, with “excited delirium.” Neither paramedic checked his vital signs, talked to McClain or touched him before making the diagnosis, according to an indictment from earlier this month. Apparently bad policing has infected other siren-using agencies. ---
**Author:** ![JRDelirious](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jrdelirious/32/9531_2.png) [@JRDelirious](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JRDelirious)\ **Post date:** [September 19, 2021, 6:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread-2/912531/2111 "2021-09-19T18:01:35Z")
You establish the “supress the threat”, and “minimize risk to yourself” mentality as the priorities. Then train your people to make that Job One and provide them tools to make that happen. And then are shocked, shocked that the public does not appreciate it. ---
**Author:** ![eschereal](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/eschereal/32/18939_2.png) [@eschereal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/eschereal)\ **Post date:** [September 19, 2021, 6:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread-2/912531/2112 "2021-09-19T18:35:07Z")
> [@JRDelirious](#): > > “minimize risk to yourself” mentality This is a hypodoxical position, though. The context of modern policing exhibits a militaristic face. That makes police the domestic analogue of soldiers. A soldier’s duty is to support the army by willingly offering himself for sacrifice to further the cause. Self-preservation is not a design-feature of combat. In other words, the police need to choose a side. They either must be soldiers or they must shed the attitude. ---
**Author:** ![Snowboarder\_Bo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/snowboarder_bo/32/229_2.png) [@Snowboarder\_Bo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Snowboarder_Bo)\ **Post date:** [September 19, 2021, 10:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread-2/912531/2113 "2021-09-19T22:14:55Z")
Many already chose and they are soldiers. You just gotta realize that their “side” is “other cops” and not “the public at large”. ---
**Author:** ![Banquet\_Bear](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/banquet_bear/32/373_2.png) [@Banquet\_Bear](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Banquet_Bear)\ **Post date:** [September 21, 2021, 3:43am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread-2/912531/2114 "2021-09-21T03:43:23Z")
…meanwhile, in New Zealand: > **[New Zealand police arrest pair trying to enter Auckland with ‘large amount’...](https://www.theguardian.com/world/2021/sep/21/new-zealand-police-arrest-pair-trying-to-enter-auckland-with-large-amount-of-kfc)** > > Two men tried to reach city – where Covid restrictions banned takeaways – with $100,000, three buckets of chicken and an undisclosed quantity of fries, police say > [@](#): > > Two men have been arrested after police said they found them with a car boot-full of Kentucky fried chicken and over $100,000 in cash as they tried to cross the border into Auckland despite New Zealand’s strict Covid-19 lockdown. Yes: the police displayed the KFC across the boot of their car like they had made the drug-bust of the century. And I love this bit: > [@](#): > > Two men tried to reach city – where Covid restrictions banned takeaways – with $100,000, three buckets of chicken **and an undisclosed quantity of fries** , police say Officer O’Leary from the Wellington Paranormal Division had this to say: > > [@](#): > > "Was it a paranormal amount of takeaways? > > Yes. It was." ---
**Author:** ![Euphonious\_Polemic](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/euphonious_polemic/32/3002_2.png) [@Euphonious\_Polemic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Euphonious_Polemic)\ **Post date:** [September 21, 2021, 3:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread-2/912531/2115 "2021-09-21T15:35:45Z")
> [@Banquet\_Bear](#): > > **an undisclosed quantity of fries** , “How many fries were there?” “Mfffgh glumphss” (sound of fries being stuffed into police mouths) “Unknown at this time” ---
**Author:** ![Cheesesteak](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cheesesteak/32/3694_2.png) [@Cheesesteak](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cheesesteak)\ **Post date:** [September 21, 2021, 3:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread-2/912531/2116 "2021-09-21T15:45:23Z")
> [@Euphonious\_Polemic](#): > > “How many fries were there?” The suspect was found with 10 large fries. After we secured the 8 large fries, we transported all 5 to the station, and ensured that the 3 empty fry containers were logged in evidence. ---
**Author:** ![Snowboarder\_Bo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/snowboarder_bo/32/229_2.png) [@Snowboarder\_Bo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Snowboarder_Bo)\ **Post date:** [September 23, 2021, 11:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread-2/912531/2117 "2021-09-23T23:46:11Z")
😀 Louisiana: > **[Louisiana state trooper charged in pummeling of Black man](https://apnews.com/article/louisiana-race-and-ethnicity-civil-rights-violations-death-of-ronald-greene-a2f88ffbeea43c6acfc4e9f490ced8f8)** > > A former Louisiana State Police trooper has been charged with a civil rights violation for pummeling a Black motorist 18 times with a flashlight — the first criminal case to emerge from federal investigations into troopers' beatings of at least three... ---
**Author:** ![asahi](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/asahi/32/8693_2.png) [@asahi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/asahi)\ **Post date:** [September 24, 2021, 9:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread-2/912531/2118 "2021-09-24T21:10:39Z")
Shit, I’ve read a few articles about the LA County Sheriff’s Dept over the years, but he’s running the county like a police state now. > **[L.A. County sheriff's unit accused of targeting political enemies, vocal critics](https://www.latimes.com/california/story/2021-09-23/sheriff-alex-villanueva-secret-police)** > > A little-known team of investigators in the L.A. County Sheriff's Department has pursued criminal investigations into some of Villanueva's most vocal critics. ---
**Author:** ![DesertDog](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/desertdog/32/11503_2.png) [@DesertDog](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DesertDog)\ **Post date:** [September 26, 2021, 4:30am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread-2/912531/2119 "2021-09-26T04:30:09Z")
Sounds like he’s taken a page out of Arpaio’s handbook. Throw in some in-custody deaths and Driving While Brown sweeps and he’ll have a hat trick. ---
**Author:** ![Chisquirrel](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/6bbea6/32.png) [@Chisquirrel](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chisquirrel)\ **Post date:** [September 26, 2021, 7:38am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread-2/912531/2120 "2021-09-26T07:38:35Z")
I was thinking more Hoover than Arpaio. Secret teams of investigators trying to find dirt on duly-appointed inspectors general and non-profits directed by civilian watchdogs, hidden from even other members of the department, and [a disconcerting similarity between many deputies and a street gang](https://www.rollingstone.com/politics/politics-news/los-angeles-sheriffs-department-gangs-rand-report-1225982/) amid all the other shit? ---
**Author:** ![asahi](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/asahi/32/8693_2.png) [@asahi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/asahi)\ **Post date:** [September 26, 2021, 12:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread-2/912531/2121 "2021-09-26T12:49:01Z")
That’s my take as well – this guy looks like he’s gone full-on Hoover or Huey Long, using police power to attack political enemies. Sheriffs are generally the nastiest, most cut-throat of all the politicians out there. Growing up in the South, I can recall some pretty vicious campaigns, which included threats of violence and outright violence itself in some cases. It’s also a common practice for incoming, newly-elected sheriffs to fire pretty much anyone even suspected of having remotely supported or voted for the defeated incumbent. If there’s a person you absolutely never want to fuck with, it’s a sheriff. ---
**Author:** ![Alessan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/alessan/32/465_2.png) [@Alessan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Alessan)\ **Post date:** [September 26, 2021, 2:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread-2/912531/2122 "2021-09-26T14:11:25Z")
> [@asahi](#): > > That’s my take as well – this guy looks like he’s gone full-on Hoover or Huey Long, using police power to attack political enemies. > > Sheriffs are generally the nastiest, most cut-throat of all the politicians out there. Growing up in the South, I can recall some pretty vicious campaigns, which included threats of violence and outright violence itself in some cases. It’s also a common practice for incoming, newly-elected sheriffs to fire pretty much anyone even suspected of having remotely supported or voted for the defeated incumbent. > > If there’s a person you absolutely never want to fuck with Looking at it from the outside, the entire institution seems flawed. Law enforcement should be professionals, not elected officials. ---
**Author:** ![asahi](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/asahi/32/8693_2.png) [@asahi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/asahi)\ **Post date:** [September 26, 2021, 2:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread-2/912531/2123 "2021-09-26T14:15:23Z")
Absolutely - I’ve never understood this about our system. We have elected judges, district attorneys and attorneys general, and sheriffs. More “democracy” is not always a good thing. ---
**Author:** ![Euphonious\_Polemic](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/euphonious_polemic/32/3002_2.png) [@Euphonious\_Polemic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Euphonious_Polemic)\ **Post date:** [September 28, 2021, 8:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread-2/912531/2124 "2021-09-28T20:00:13Z")
I have always been _really_ happy that in my country these positions are all filled by professionals, and are not overtly political in nature. ---
**Author:** ![asahi](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/asahi/32/8693_2.png) [@asahi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/asahi)\ **Post date:** [September 28, 2021, 8:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread-2/912531/2125 "2021-09-28T20:32:35Z")
In the U.S., states tend to have a little too much democracy (if you’re white); the federal level seems to have to little. ---
**Author:** ![Typo\_Negative](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/typo_negative/32/484_2.png) [@Typo\_Negative](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Typo_Negative)\ **Post date:** [September 28, 2021, 8:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread-2/912531/2126 "2021-09-28T20:47:38Z")
Here’s on the other end. Officers do absolutely nothing to a teenager who injured 6 cyclists while trying a stupid and obnoxious prank: > **[Teen who ran over 6 cyclists outside Houston walks free](https://www.chron.com/news/houston-texas/transportation/article/waller-bicyclists-hit-truck-teen-driver-ironman-16490862.php)** > > Authorities are tight-lipped about whether or not the teenager would face any charges... I will wager a guess that the parents of the teenager are white, affluent and well known to the police. ---
**Author:** ![ChockFullOfHeadyGoodness](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/chockfullofheadygoodness/32/511_2.png) [@ChockFullOfHeadyGoodness](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ChockFullOfHeadyGoodness)\ **Post date:** [September 28, 2021, 9:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread-2/912531/2127 "2021-09-28T21:30:53Z")
Holy shit! Did you see all the damage in the pictures… …to his truck? Come on, the poor boy has suffered enough. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread-2/912531.md?page=105) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread-2/912531.md?page=107)