# Controversial encounters between law-enforcement and civilians - the omnibus thread #2 **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [June 23, 2020, 8:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread-2/912531 "2020-06-23T20:29:26Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 108
**Author:** ![Rick\_Kitchen](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/rick_kitchen/32/522_2.png) [@Rick\_Kitchen](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rick_Kitchen)\ **Post date:** [October 13, 2021, 10:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread-2/912531/2148 "2021-10-13T22:04:57Z")
A black man had a stroke and sat basically unconscious in his car for two hours on the side of the roads. Boston cops encountered him and immediately jumped to the conclusion that he was drunk. They took him to jail, where he fell and banged his head, and was left lying in his cell without treatment. After five hours, he was taken to a hospital, which also assumed that he was drunk. It was only after his wife tracked him down did the hospital even bother to check that he had no alcohol in his system. Between the head injury and the stroke, he had to undergo rehab, and is still recovering. The city paid out almost $2 million, but the police have not issued an apology, nor disciplined the cops involved. > **[Black Man Arrested By Boston Police While Suffering a Stroke Receives $1.3...](https://www.blackenterprise.com/black-man-arrested-while-suffering-a-stroke-by-boston-police-receives-1-3-million-settlement/)** > > Boston police found Copeland nearly unconscious. They never called an ambulance but claimed he smelled of alcohol and arrested him. ---
**Author:** ![Typo\_Negative](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/typo_negative/32/484_2.png) [@Typo\_Negative](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Typo_Negative)\ **Post date:** [October 13, 2021, 10:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread-2/912531/2149 "2021-10-13T22:12:35Z")
> [@Snowboarder\_Bo](#): > > I thought there was no body camera footage? 🤨 Cripes, you’d think a reporter and an editor would have caught that. ---
**Author:** ![Snowboarder\_Bo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/snowboarder_bo/32/229_2.png) [@Snowboarder\_Bo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Snowboarder_Bo)\ **Post date:** [October 13, 2021, 10:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread-2/912531/2150 "2021-10-13T22:18:13Z")
Oh, they did; _mea culpa_: > [@](#): > > The report, however, does not identify the source of the body camera footage. > > Hennepin County and Crow Wing County authorities have declined further comment on the matter beyond Ryan’s published remarks. ---
**Author:** ![mikecurtis](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mikecurtis/32/3284_2.png) [@mikecurtis](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/mikecurtis)\ **Post date:** [October 13, 2021, 11:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread-2/912531/2151 "2021-10-13T23:44:44Z")
So…in 2020 COVID-19 killed more police officers than **all** other causes combined. > **[Study finds more active-duty police officers died of COVID-19 in 2020 than...](https://thedaily.case.edu/study-finds-more-active-duty-police-officers-died-of-covid-19-in-2020-than-all-other-causes-combined/)** > > Case Western Reserve professor raises awareness, offers solutions Of the 264 police officers who died in the line of duty in 2020 across the United States, more than half died of COVID-19, according to new data compiled by the National Law... But…police unions across the nation are fighting against vaccinations. > **[Police Unions’ Latest Grievance: Vaccine Mandates](https://newrepublic.com/article/163877/vaccine-mandates-police-unions)** > > We’ve heard this story before, when police said criminal justice reform would lead to mass resignations. ---
**Author:** ![Typo\_Negative](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/typo_negative/32/484_2.png) [@Typo\_Negative](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Typo_Negative)\ **Post date:** [October 13, 2021, 11:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread-2/912531/2152 "2021-10-13T23:46:09Z")
[![](https://img.youtube.com/vi/1tRhC_QTpfY/hqdefault.jpg ""Do you want to change your bullshit story, sir?"") ](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1tRhC_QTpfY) ---
**Author:** ![Snowboarder\_Bo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/snowboarder_bo/32/229_2.png) [@Snowboarder\_Bo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Snowboarder_Bo)\ **Post date:** [October 14, 2021, 12:49am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread-2/912531/2153 "2021-10-14T00:49:30Z")
Chicago cop threatens Chicago: > **[Chicago police union head urges cops to defy vaccine mandate](https://apnews.com/article/coronavirus-pandemic-technology-chicago-fraternal-order-of-police-police-899010300b1c83f290c204359dbb44a8)** > > The head of the Chicago police officers union has called on its members to defy the city’s requirement to report their COVID-19 vaccination status before the weekend or be placed on unpaid leave. > Catanzara suggested that if the city does enforce its requirement and many union members refuse to comply with it, “It’s safe to say that the city of Chicago will have a police force at 50% or less for this weekend coming up.” ---
**Author:** ![asahi](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/asahi/32/8693_2.png) [@asahi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/asahi)\ **Post date:** [October 14, 2021, 3:01am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread-2/912531/2154 "2021-10-14T03:01:37Z")
And I say, let it happen, and hire new cops. I am willing to wager (with Monopoly money) that there’s a substantial correlation between the number of “I ain’t gettin no vaccine” cops and thug cops who terrorize people. I bet they solve their problems if they just let the nutters leave. ---
**Author:** ![QMatic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/q/aeb1de/32.png) [@QMatic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/QMatic)\ **Post date:** [October 14, 2021, 6:03am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread-2/912531/2155 "2021-10-14T06:03:58Z")
Perhaps the body camera was not pointing at the incident but nonetheless picked up the audio? > can be heard on a body camera saying that she pleaded with Smith suggests that the audio was not contemporaneous with the incident and may have been picked up by an officer not even on the scene when it occurred. ---
**Author:** ![Snowboarder\_Bo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/snowboarder_bo/32/229_2.png) [@Snowboarder\_Bo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Snowboarder_Bo)\ **Post date:** [October 14, 2021, 2:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread-2/912531/2156 "2021-10-14T14:30:16Z")
Here’s one from the “What The Fuck???” files: > **[Woman's body found in police van parked at headquarters](https://apnews.com/article/huntsville-3d74ea56668c117a5ea38cc28ba65f57)** > > HUNTSVILLE, Ala. (AP) — A body found inside a police van parked outside headquarters was identified Monday as being that of a 29-year-old woman whose relatives held a news conference demanding more information from law enforcement. > A police statement said an assessment by the Madison County coroner found no signs of foul play or trauma, but an autopsy and toxicology analysis would be conducted this week to determine what killed Christina Nance, news outlets reported. > An officer walking to a police car found Nance’s body in an old, unused Huntsville Police Department van parked outside the Huntsville Public Safety Complex on Thursday. > “We really don’t know how our relative’s body was found inside a police van on police property and we need some justice,” said Matthews, a cousin of Nance. “We need some clarity and Christina cannot speak for herself.” > A police statement said a state medical examiner will determine a cause of death after tests and reviews that could take several months. ---
**Author:** ![Typo\_Negative](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/typo_negative/32/484_2.png) [@Typo\_Negative](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Typo_Negative)\ **Post date:** [October 14, 2021, 5:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread-2/912531/2157 "2021-10-14T17:02:14Z")
> [@QMatic](#): > > suggests that the audio was not contemporaneous with the incident and may have been picked up by an officer not even on the scene when it occurred. How could it have picked up audio when the camera wasn’t there to be pick anything up? The point is that they say there is _no recording_ of the incident, _yet at the same time_ saying there _ **is** _ a recording that corroborates their version of what happened. Schrodinger’s Recording. ---
**Author:** ![Ike\_Witt](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ike_witt/32/283_2.png) [@Ike\_Witt](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ike_Witt)\ **Post date:** [October 14, 2021, 5:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread-2/912531/2158 "2021-10-14T17:16:03Z")
The article quoted says > and authorities [have said there was no body camera video of the incident](https://www.mprnews.org/story/2021/06/04/unrest-erupts-after-man-dies-in-minneapolis-arrest-attempt). That doesn’t rule out somebody ‘leaving the lens cap on’. ---
**Author:** ![QMatic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/q/aeb1de/32.png) [@QMatic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/QMatic)\ **Post date:** [October 14, 2021, 5:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread-2/912531/2159 "2021-10-14T17:18:44Z")
Um, no… The recording is of her recalling what she did at the incident. She is not recorded pleading with Smith, she is recorder saying that she had pleaded. ---
**Author:** ![Typo\_Negative](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/typo_negative/32/484_2.png) [@Typo\_Negative](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Typo_Negative)\ **Post date:** [October 14, 2021, 6:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread-2/912531/2160 "2021-10-14T18:36:26Z")
So, I guess they KNOW how to turn on a body cam. They just need training on WHEN to turn it on. ---
**Author:** ![eschereal](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/eschereal/32/18939_2.png) [@eschereal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/eschereal)\ **Post date:** [October 15, 2021, 2:24am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread-2/912531/2161 "2021-10-15T02:24:37Z")
The bodycams need to have a prox sensor that can tell when the officer is not in the police car and be on, v+a, all that time. ---
**Author:** ![Rick\_Kitchen](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/rick_kitchen/32/522_2.png) [@Rick\_Kitchen](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rick_Kitchen)\ **Post date:** [October 17, 2021, 12:10am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread-2/912531/2162 "2021-10-17T00:10:26Z")
A black woman was assaulted by a couple of teenage boys and beaten. She was only saved because a family friend stepped in and broke it up. As she was walking home, a cop car pulled up beside her and told her to stop so the cop could talk to her. She said she had just been beaten and just wanted to get home. the cop got out of his car, grabbed her, and slammed her head into the pavement, ripping her braids out of her scalp in the process. The woman, who is 4 foot 8, was taken to a hospital. After she left, her sister arrived to the scene, and the cop who beat the woman tried to her her sister to have her mentally committed. In the following days, the cop drove past her family’s homes, apparently with intentions of intimidating them. > **[Three Children Attacked a Black Woman. A Sheriff’s Deputy Arrived — and Beat...](https://www.propublica.org/article/three-children-attacked-a-black-woman-a-sheriffs-deputy-arrived-and-beat-her-more)** > > Black residents of Louisiana’s Jefferson Parish have long accused the Sheriff’s Office of targeting them. A new video, which shows a deputy slamming a Black woman’s head into the ground, raises more questions. ---
**Author:** ![Snowboarder\_Bo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/snowboarder_bo/32/229_2.png) [@Snowboarder\_Bo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Snowboarder_Bo)\ **Post date:** [October 20, 2021, 4:34am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread-2/912531/2163 "2021-10-20T04:34:42Z")
Maybe someday we can have a Non-Controversial Encounters Between Law-Enforcement and Civilians thread; ya know, for stories like this: [https://apnews.com/article/oddities-lifestyle-new-zealand-toys-d335b0b0842812d9234f0444cd441f29](https://apnews.com/article/oddities-lifestyle-new-zealand-toys-d335b0b0842812d9234f0444cd441f29) ---
**Author:** ![Snowboarder\_Bo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/snowboarder_bo/32/229_2.png) [@Snowboarder\_Bo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Snowboarder_Bo)\ **Post date:** [October 20, 2021, 4:35am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread-2/912531/2164 "2021-10-20T04:35:48Z")
Okay; back to business! > **[Washington sheriff charged over confrontation with Black man](https://apnews.com/article/crime-washington-tacoma-bob-ferguson-cdaf6dceaefcfffe3aca8c589b70e272)** > > TACOMA, Wash. (AP) — The Washington state attorney general on Tuesday filed two misdemeanor criminal charges against a county sheriff stemming from his confrontation with a Black newspaper carrier in January. ---
**Author:** ![Snowboarder\_Bo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/snowboarder_bo/32/229_2.png) [@Snowboarder\_Bo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Snowboarder_Bo)\ **Post date:** [October 20, 2021, 4:59am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread-2/912531/2165 "2021-10-20T04:59:07Z")
Dear Og… > **[Black Children Were Jailed for a Crime That Doesn’t Exist. Almost Nothing...](https://www.propublica.org/article/black-children-were-jailed-for-a-crime-that-doesnt-exist)** > > Judge Donna Scott Davenport oversees a juvenile justice system in Rutherford County, Tennessee, with a staggering history of jailing children. She said kids must face consequences, which rarely seem to apply to her or the other adults in charge. ---
**Author:** ![QMatic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/q/aeb1de/32.png) [@QMatic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/QMatic)\ **Post date:** [October 20, 2021, 5:28am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread-2/912531/2166 "2021-10-20T05:28:11Z")
> “I’m here on a mission. It’s not a job. It’s God’s mission,” There’s your problem, lady. ---
**Author:** ![Snowboarder\_Bo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/snowboarder_bo/32/229_2.png) [@Snowboarder\_Bo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Snowboarder_Bo)\ **Post date:** [October 20, 2021, 2:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread-2/912531/2167 "2021-10-20T14:04:24Z")
By coincidence, the AP just posted this: > **[Tiny wrists in cuffs: How police use force against children](https://apnews.com/article/death-of-george-floyd-arrests-george-floyd-chicago-only-on-ap-5df43637790f1750dcfbac559ec3bfdb)** > > CHICAGO (AP) — Royal Smart remembers every detail: the feeling of the handcuffs on his wrists. The panic as he was led outside into the cold March darkness, arms raised, to face a wall of police officers pointing their guns. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread-2/912531.md?page=107) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread-2/912531.md?page=109)