# Controversial encounters between law-enforcement and civilians - the omnibus thread #2 **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [June 23, 2020, 8:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread-2/912531 "2020-06-23T20:29:26Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 109
**Author:** ![k9bfriender](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/k9bfriender/32/3283_2.png) [@k9bfriender](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/k9bfriender)\ **Post date:** [October 20, 2021, 2:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread-2/912531/2168 "2021-10-20T14:29:03Z")
From the article > [@](#): > > The staff member who made her way up to sergeant before being fired said in a deposition, “We were told when in doubt, hold them ’cause it’s better to hold a kid … that should have been released than release a child that should have been held.” I’m pretty sure that’s what Benjamin Franklin said about the justice system, isn’t it? ---
**Author:** ![Mighty\_Mouse](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mighty_mouse/32/7776_2.png) [@Mighty\_Mouse](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mighty_Mouse)\ **Post date:** [October 20, 2021, 2:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread-2/912531/2169 "2021-10-20T14:39:01Z")
> [@k9bfriender](#): > > I’m pretty sure that’s what Benjamin Franklin said about the justice system, isn’t it? Blacks are still not fully human to many Americans I guess. ---
**Author:** ![Ruken](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/f475e1/32.png) [@Ruken](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ruken)\ **Post date:** [October 20, 2021, 5:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread-2/912531/2170 "2021-10-20T17:15:00Z")
> [@Snowboarder\_Bo](#): > > Dear Og… I should have stopped reading at the cool toys story. ---
**Author:** ![Snowboarder\_Bo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/snowboarder_bo/32/229_2.png) [@Snowboarder\_Bo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Snowboarder_Bo)\ **Post date:** [October 21, 2021, 4:27am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread-2/912531/2171 "2021-10-21T04:27:29Z")
Remember this? > **[Minneapolis cop gets nearly 5 years in killing of 911 caller](https://apnews.com/article/death-of-george-floyd-police-shootings-minnesota-minneapolis-ab85ca48f043f5fae8dfa0e7eb819f6d)** > > MINNEAPOLIS (AP) — A Minneapolis police officer who fatally shot an unarmed woman after she called 911 to report a possible rape happening behind her home was sentenced Thursday to nearly five years in prison — the most the judge could impose but... ---
**Author:** ![Snowboarder\_Bo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/snowboarder_bo/32/229_2.png) [@Snowboarder\_Bo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Snowboarder_Bo)\ **Post date:** [October 21, 2021, 5:29am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread-2/912531/2172 "2021-10-21T05:29:31Z")
Info: > **[Tool for police reform rarely used by local prosecutors](https://apnews.com/article/death-of-george-floyd-religion-police-george-floyd-seattle-b20b50bd1562c70e59fe30689a8a867f)** > > SEATTLE (AP) — Isaiah Obet was behaving erratically and in mental distress in 2017 when Auburn police officer Jeff Nelson ordered his police dog to attack and then shot Obet in the torso. Obet fell to the ground and Nelson fired again, fatally... ---
**Author:** ![Snowboarder\_Bo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/snowboarder_bo/32/229_2.png) [@Snowboarder\_Bo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Snowboarder_Bo)\ **Post date:** [October 21, 2021, 3:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread-2/912531/2173 "2021-10-21T15:24:14Z")
57 months: > **[Minneapolis cop gets nearly 5 years in killing of 911 caller](https://apnews.com/article/death-of-george-floyd-police-shootings-minnesota-minneapolis-ab85ca48f043f5fae8dfa0e7eb819f6d)** > > MINNEAPOLIS (AP) — A Minneapolis police officer who fatally shot an unarmed woman after she called 911 to report a possible rape happening behind her home was sentenced Thursday to nearly five years in prison — the most the judge could impose but... ---
**Author:** ![Typo\_Negative](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/typo_negative/32/484_2.png) [@Typo\_Negative](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Typo_Negative)\ **Post date:** [October 21, 2021, 4:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread-2/912531/2174 "2021-10-21T16:29:17Z")
Light sentence. I guess I shouldn’t be surprised. ---
**Author:** ![Rick\_Kitchen](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/rick_kitchen/32/522_2.png) [@Rick\_Kitchen](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rick_Kitchen)\ **Post date:** [October 21, 2021, 5:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread-2/912531/2175 "2021-10-21T17:37:46Z")
A guy got tired of seeing New York City cops in the subway in violation of the city’s mandatory mask rule, so he went up to a couple of them who were not masked and asked them why not. At first, one of them said he couldn’t hear him through his mask, and then when the guy asked his question louder, the two cops grabbed him and threw him out of the subway station. The police commissioner said the cops’ actions were inappropriate, but they will be disciplined, not fired. > **[NYPD Commissioner Says Unmasked Officer Caught On Video Pushing Masked...](https://www.cbsnews.com/newyork/news/mayor-de-blasio-unmasked-nypd-officers-video/)** > > The commuter, Andy Gilbert, says things escalated after he asked the officers to put on masks, as per the MTA's mandate. ---
**Author:** ![RitterSport](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/rittersport/32/6326_2.png) [@RitterSport](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RitterSport)\ **Post date:** [October 21, 2021, 5:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread-2/912531/2176 "2021-10-21T17:48:43Z")
I suspect this will be their punishment: [![](https://img.youtube.com/vi/YQrhXSehUrg/hqdefault.jpg ""Bad Llama!"") ](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YQrhXSehUrg) ---
**Author:** ![Snowboarder\_Bo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/snowboarder_bo/32/229_2.png) [@Snowboarder\_Bo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Snowboarder_Bo)\ **Post date:** [October 21, 2021, 6:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread-2/912531/2177 "2021-10-21T18:14:20Z")
If they were inappropriate, how are they not also simple assault? ---
**Author:** ![Typo\_Negative](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/typo_negative/32/484_2.png) [@Typo\_Negative](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Typo_Negative)\ **Post date:** [October 21, 2021, 7:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread-2/912531/2178 "2021-10-21T19:51:04Z")
Professional liar lies while representing teen who hit 6 cyclists. > **[Attorney: Texas teen who hit cyclists was 'inexperienced' driver](https://www.chron.com/news/houston-texas/transportation/article/waller-bicyclists-hit-truck-teen-driver-attorney-16496230.php)** > > Police questioned and released the young driver without charges. Teen driver still faces no charges. We do not even know if he got a ticket. ---
**Author:** ![eschereal](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/eschereal/32/18939_2.png) [@eschereal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/eschereal)\ **Post date:** [October 22, 2021, 1:37am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread-2/912531/2179 "2021-10-22T01:37:58Z")
> [@Typo\_Negative](#): > > Professional liar lies while representing teen who hit 6 cyclists In some US accents, “lawyer” and “liar” are nearly indistinguishable. ---
**Author:** ![Snowboarder\_Bo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/snowboarder_bo/32/229_2.png) [@Snowboarder\_Bo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Snowboarder_Bo)\ **Post date:** [October 26, 2021, 4:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread-2/912531/2180 "2021-10-26T16:25:30Z")
More on Jacob Brown and the Louisiana State Police: > **[In Louisiana, a father, a son and a culture of police abuse](https://apnews.com/article/business-louisiana-race-and-ethnicity-racial-injustice-baton-rouge-d2d50979a247c400746ba6703225f7ff)** > > MONROE, La. (AP) — Growing up in the piney backwoods of northern Louisiana, where yards were dotted with crosses and the occasional Confederate flag, Jacob Brown was raised on hunting, fishing and dreams of becoming a state trooper. ---
**Author:** ![Snowboarder\_Bo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/snowboarder_bo/32/229_2.png) [@Snowboarder\_Bo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Snowboarder_Bo)\ **Post date:** [October 27, 2021, 12:51am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread-2/912531/2181 "2021-10-27T00:51:39Z")
Hold on to your hats; this one is quite a ride: > **[Felony count over 43 cents' worth of Mountain Dew is dropped](https://apnews.com/article/pennsylvania-theft-6fdb4e0f6e8106e9299180399f099de6)** > > HARRISBURG, Pa. (AP) — Pennsylvania prosecutors have dropped a felony theft charge against a man who underpaid for a bottle of Mountain Dew by 43 cents. Prosecutors in Perry County dropped the theft charge this month against Joseph Sobolewski, 38,... ---
**Author:** ![PastTense](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/pasttense/32/14550_2.png) [@PastTense](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/PastTense)\ **Post date:** [October 29, 2021, 4:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread-2/912531/2182 "2021-10-29T16:45:29Z")
And for a failure to mow his grass: > **[City’s attempt to cut Texas man’s grass ends with his death, police say](https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/city-s-attempt-cut-texas-man-s-grass-leads-standoff-n1282623)** > > A SWAT officer shot the man after he exited the home with weapons in his hand, according to police in Austin. ---
**Author:** ![crowmanyclouds](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/crowmanyclouds/32/19884_2.png) [@crowmanyclouds](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/crowmanyclouds)\ **Post date:** [October 29, 2021, 4:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread-2/912531/2183 "2021-10-29T16:53:57Z")
Yeah, that’s exactly what happened, ---
**Author:** ![Snowboarder\_Bo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/snowboarder_bo/32/229_2.png) [@Snowboarder\_Bo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Snowboarder_Bo)\ **Post date:** [October 29, 2021, 4:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread-2/912531/2184 "2021-10-29T16:55:00Z")
What the…? 🤨 > [@](#): > > Their main goal Wednesday was to get the man in compliance with the local homeowners association. > > “They attempted to cut the lawn for him, and this is the reaction they got,” Mendez said. Why was the city involved in enforcing an HOA rule? ---
**Author:** ![Folacin](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/folacin/32/3195_2.png) [@Folacin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Folacin)\ **Post date:** [October 29, 2021, 5:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread-2/912531/2185 "2021-10-29T17:47:55Z")
> [@Snowboarder\_Bo](#): > > Why was the city involved in enforcing an HOA rule? Doesn’t sound like it was an HOA rule - I know my city has codes on mowing your lawn. SWAT doesn’t usually show up, but I don’t know what would happen if it got to the point that the city was going to mow and the homeowner objected. ---
**Author:** ![crowmanyclouds](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/crowmanyclouds/32/19884_2.png) [@crowmanyclouds](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/crowmanyclouds)\ **Post date:** [October 29, 2021, 5:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread-2/912531/2186 "2021-10-29T17:51:44Z")
Where _objected_ means _started to shoot at you from the house_. ---
**Author:** ![Typo\_Negative](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/typo_negative/32/484_2.png) [@Typo\_Negative](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Typo_Negative)\ **Post date:** [October 29, 2021, 6:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread-2/912531/2187 "2021-10-29T18:17:09Z")
I’m with **crowmanyclouds** on this one. The shooting seems appropriate if the story is accurate. > The warrant was left at the door and contractors for the city’s code enforcement began working on the lawn. About an hour later, the resident started shooting from inside the house, Chacon said. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread-2/912531.md?page=108) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread-2/912531.md?page=110)