# Controversial encounters between law-enforcement and civilians - the omnibus thread #2 **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [June 23, 2020, 8:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread-2/912531 "2020-06-23T20:29:26Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 111
**Author:** ![eschereal](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/eschereal/32/18939_2.png) [@eschereal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/eschereal)\ **Post date:** [November 18, 2021, 6:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread-2/912531/2208 "2021-11-18T18:19:38Z")
He might have had those throwing star things, though. ---
**Author:** ![Folacin](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/folacin/32/3195_2.png) [@Folacin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Folacin)\ **Post date:** [November 18, 2021, 6:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread-2/912531/2209 "2021-11-18T18:22:29Z")
Or known the Five Point Palm Exploding Heart Technique, so don’t want to let him get too close. ---
**Author:** ![Typo\_Negative](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/typo_negative/32/484_2.png) [@Typo\_Negative](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Typo_Negative)\ **Post date:** [November 19, 2021, 12:52am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread-2/912531/2210 "2021-11-19T00:52:09Z")
[https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/crime/search-for-ex-cops-two-missing-kids-ends-with-all-4-dead/ar-AAQSpzt](https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/crime/search-for-ex-cops-two-missing-kids-ends-with-all-4-dead/ar-AAQSpzt) > [CBS News]) in Baltimore reports the bodies of former officer Robert Vicosa, his 6-year-old daughter Aaminah and her 7-year old sister Gianna, as well as that of Sgt. Tia Bynum of Baltimore County, were discovered in an SUV in west Maryland, killed by gunshots. > Vicosa was fired from the Baltimore County Police Department over the summer. Authorities believe Bynum, who was still a Baltimore County cop at the time of her death, had helped Vicosa evade arrest. She had been suspended during the course of the investigation. Just a few months ago, both were Baltimore Police officers. I’m thinking there is something a bit lacking in their screen process. ---
**Author:** ![Smapti](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/smapti/32/17938_2.png) [@Smapti](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Smapti)\ **Post date:** [November 19, 2021, 9:13am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread-2/912531/2211 "2021-11-19T09:13:17Z")
In Muncie, IN, a high school has switched to virtual learning for three days now because the school cop was triggered by a student’s book report on _V For Vendetta_. > **[School Removes Student Project About Fascism After Cops Complain](https://www.vice.com/en/article/3abqp8/muncie-school-removes-student-project-about-fascism-after-cops-complain)** > > Students at an Indiana high school are on their third day of virtual learning because they protested the school’s decision to remove a class project about ‘V for Vendetta’ which addressed police brutality. ---
**Author:** ![Bill\_Door](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/50afbb/32.png) [@Bill\_Door](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bill_Door)\ **Post date:** [November 20, 2021, 4:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread-2/912531/2212 "2021-11-20T16:04:07Z")
> [@Typo\_Negative](#): > > Just a few months ago, both were Baltimore Police officers. I’m thinking there is something a bit lacking in their screen process. It’s the same screening process they’ve always used. Too lazy to work, too cowardly to steal without the color of authority. If it’s yes to both, you’re in. ---
**Author:** ![Guest-starring\_Id](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/guest-starring_id/32/21736_2.png) [@Guest-starring\_Id](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Guest-starring_Id)\ **Post date:** [November 21, 2021, 5:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread-2/912531/2213 "2021-11-21T17:05:42Z")
“Transferred intent”? Say whaaa? [https://www.nytimes.com/2021/11/16/us/fanta-bility-police-shooting.html](https://www.nytimes.com/2021/11/16/us/fanta-bility-police-shooting.html) > [@](#): > > The charges rely on a legal theory known as “transferred intent,” which prosecutors believe applies in this case because they say the two teenagers had intended to kill each other, and the result of their actions was Fanta’s death. But experts say prosecutors are stretching the definition of “transferred intent” and could have difficulty making the charges stand up in court. > [@](#): > > Prosecutors say that the police role in Fanta’s death is still under investigation and that a grand jury will begin reviewing the case on Nov. 18 “so that it may be determined whether the police officers’ use of deadly force was justified,” District Attorney Jack Stollsteimer of Delaware County said in a statement. Yeah, they better determine that shit correctly, then. ---
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [November 21, 2021, 5:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread-2/912531/2214 "2021-11-21T17:16:32Z")
> [@Guest-starring\_Id](#): > > Yeah, they better determine that shit correctly, then. More the exception than the rule, I’m afraid. ---
**Author:** ![RitterSport](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/rittersport/32/6326_2.png) [@RitterSport](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RitterSport)\ **Post date:** [November 21, 2021, 5:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread-2/912531/2215 "2021-11-21T17:49:07Z")
Maybe both teenage boys were firing in self-defense. ---
**Author:** ![CaptMurdock](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/captmurdock/32/11736_2.png) [@CaptMurdock](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/CaptMurdock)\ **Post date:** [November 22, 2021, 3:09am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread-2/912531/2216 "2021-11-22T03:09:02Z")
I can’t read the article, it’s paywalled. Are the two teenagers black? If so, the self-defense argument can’t be used – it’s for white teenagers only. ---
**Author:** ![Guest-starring\_Id](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/guest-starring_id/32/21736_2.png) [@Guest-starring\_Id](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Guest-starring_Id)\ **Post date:** [November 22, 2021, 3:21am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread-2/912531/2217 "2021-11-22T03:21:49Z")
> [@CaptMurdock](#): > > Are the two teenagers black? Yes - update. [![](https://img.youtube.com/vi/amJ6ZizUb00/maxresdefault.jpg "Teen arrested in alleged connection to death of 8-year-old Fanta Bility at Pa. football game") ](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=amJ6ZizUb00) ---
**Author:** ![RitterSport](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/rittersport/32/6326_2.png) [@RitterSport](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RitterSport)\ **Post date:** [November 22, 2021, 11:18am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread-2/912531/2218 "2021-11-22T11:18:08Z")
Ah, yes, there’s the difference. ---
**Author:** ![Typo\_Negative](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/typo_negative/32/484_2.png) [@Typo\_Negative](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Typo_Negative)\ **Post date:** [November 23, 2021, 12:20am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread-2/912531/2219 "2021-11-23T00:20:29Z")
[https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/crime/black-woman-shot-in-back-by-white-cop-drops-charges-after-mediation-session/ar-AAR0vSA?li=BBnb7Kz](https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/crime/black-woman-shot-in-back-by-white-cop-drops-charges-after-mediation-session/ar-AAR0vSA?li=BBnb7Kz) > Hall asked for the dismissal of charges against Crews after the process known as **restorative justice mediation** that took place on November 5. > > “This was a unique opportunity where the defendant immediately realized she had made a terrible mistake in shooting the victim, and both the defendant and victim reached places where they could see a resolution for this incident outside of the criminal justice process,” Prosecuting Attorney Wesley Bell said in a news release. Does this strike anyone else as wonky? To me, it sounds like an opportunity to intimidate the victim and get them to back off. ---
**Author:** ![Snowboarder\_Bo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/snowboarder_bo/32/229_2.png) [@Snowboarder\_Bo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Snowboarder_Bo)\ **Post date:** [November 23, 2021, 2:41am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread-2/912531/2220 "2021-11-23T02:41:55Z")
I see there was a cash settlement of some kind. It is possible that Miss Hall simply believed that it was a mistake and couldn’t in good conscience send Miss Crews to jail for it. It is also possible that Miss Hall was intimidated in the “restorative justice mediation” session. It does seem odd that the alleged victim of a crime would go to mediation with the accused before a trial had taken place.\* Was it forced? By whom? \*Would a kidnapping victim be made to go to mediation with their kidnapper? Why would anyone sit down to “mediate” with the people who robbed their homes? Etc. It seems an odd program. ---
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [November 23, 2021, 2:52am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread-2/912531/2221 "2021-11-23T02:52:13Z")
Is this process available for black women that shoot white cops in the back? ---
**Author:** ![eschereal](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/eschereal/32/18939_2.png) [@eschereal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/eschereal)\ **Post date:** [November 23, 2021, 3:14am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread-2/912531/2222 "2021-11-23T03:14:19Z")
Do the police ever turn their back on a black person? ---
**Author:** ![Roderick\_Femm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/roderick_femm/32/14875_2.png) [@Roderick\_Femm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Roderick_Femm)\ **Post date:** [November 23, 2021, 4:03am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread-2/912531/2223 "2021-11-23T04:03:44Z")
> [@Typo\_Negative](#): > > Does this strike anyone else as wonky? To me, it sounds like an opportunity to intimidate the victim and get them to back off. There could be built-in safeguards against that, although probably nothing would be proof against a whispered threat during a break or something. Whether the system is inherently flawed or not is one question, whether this particular instance was based on sincere feelings or intimidation is a separate question, one to which we will probably never know the answer. ---
**Author:** ![kayaker](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kayaker/32/441_2.png) [@kayaker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kayaker)\ **Post date:** [November 23, 2021, 1:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread-2/912531/2224 "2021-11-23T13:00:01Z")
> [@Typo\_Negative](#): > > Does this strike anyone else as wonky? I’m assuming a cash settlement was found sufficient. ---
**Author:** ![Cheesesteak](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cheesesteak/32/3694_2.png) [@Cheesesteak](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cheesesteak)\ **Post date:** [November 23, 2021, 1:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread-2/912531/2225 "2021-11-23T13:03:19Z")
> [@Typo\_Negative](#): > > Does this strike anyone else as wonky? My son’s school district uses restorative justice in an effort to resolve conflict without having to resort to ham handed punishment of every student involved. Part of their goal is to reduce the trend of minority male students being disproportionately punished during their time at school. I respect the methodology, at least my small experience with it is a focus on kindness and understanding among all the parties involved. It doesn’t surprise me that it resulted in a dropping of charges, but I would be very curious if it is broadly used in Missouri, or if it’s pulled out of the bag of tricks when the ‘right’ person has an opportunity to get their charges dropped. ---
**Author:** ![Mighty\_Mouse](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mighty_mouse/32/7776_2.png) [@Mighty\_Mouse](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mighty_Mouse)\ **Post date:** [November 23, 2021, 1:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread-2/912531/2226 "2021-11-23T13:15:44Z")
> [@kayaker](#): > > I’m assuming a cash settlement was found sufficient. You know what is more persuasive than a cash settlement offer? A cash settlement offer from someone who has proven they can shoot you and get away with it. ---
**Author:** ![Folacin](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/folacin/32/3195_2.png) [@Folacin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Folacin)\ **Post date:** [November 23, 2021, 1:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread-2/912531/2227 "2021-11-23T13:21:51Z")
Or a cash settlement when the other option is a trial when it is pretty persuasively proven that cops are rarely convicted. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread-2/912531.md?page=110) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread-2/912531.md?page=112)