# Controversial encounters between law-enforcement and civilians - the omnibus thread #2 **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [June 23, 2020, 8:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread-2/912531 "2020-06-23T20:29:26Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 130
**Author:** ![eschereal](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/eschereal/32/18939_2.png) [@eschereal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/eschereal)\ **Post date:** [May 6, 2022, 4:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread-2/912531/2588 "2022-05-06T16:00:13Z")
> [@Banquet\_Bear](#): > > Since when did we start taking the police at their word about anything? Generally speaking, courts tend to seek to elevate the testimony of officers above that of ordinary other witnesses because they are the whitehats. A rational person who is paying attention to reality may be skeptical, but the police are working for _us’ns_, so they are to be trusted more than the blackhats. ---
**Author:** ![Babale](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/babale/32/15666_2.png) [@Babale](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Babale)\ **Post date:** [May 6, 2022, 4:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread-2/912531/2589 "2022-05-06T16:02:09Z")
> [@eschereal](#): > > A rational person who is paying attention to reality may be skeptical, but the police are working for _us’ns_ , so they are to be trusted more than the blackhats. How do you determine someone is a blackhat? Just because they are brought before a court? If so, you are violating the presumption of innocence, one of the most critical foundational blocks of pur legal system. ---
**Author:** ![Banquet\_Bear](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/banquet_bear/32/373_2.png) [@Banquet\_Bear](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Banquet_Bear)\ **Post date:** [May 6, 2022, 4:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread-2/912531/2590 "2022-05-06T16:08:06Z")
> [@eschereal](#): > > Generally speaking, courts tend to seek to elevate the testimony of officers above that of ordinary other witnesses because they are the whitehats. A rational person who is paying attention to reality may be skeptical, but the police are working for _us’ns_ , so they are to be trusted more than the blackhats. :: looks around :: …this isn’t a court. It’s the BBQ Pit. We can be skeptical here. ---
**Author:** ![eschereal](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/eschereal/32/18939_2.png) [@eschereal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/eschereal)\ **Post date:** [May 6, 2022, 4:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread-2/912531/2591 "2022-05-06T16:08:08Z")
> [@Babale](#): > > How do you determine someone is a blackhat? If the prosecutor and the good, decent officers say that guy is a blackhat, you know, the LEOs are our whitehats, so we shoud trust ther judgement. Being a blackhat is not _per se_ a crime, so it is not about being guilty of anything other than disagreeing with what the whitehats say. ---
**Author:** ![silenus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/silenus/32/166_2.png) [@silenus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/silenus)\ **Post date:** [May 6, 2022, 4:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread-2/912531/2592 "2022-05-06T16:16:59Z")
> [@eschereal](#): > > Being a **blackhat** is not _per se_ a crime… You have 3 extra letters there. ---
**Author:** ![Morgyn](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/morgyn/32/3041_2.png) [@Morgyn](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Morgyn)\ **Post date:** [May 6, 2022, 4:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread-2/912531/2593 "2022-05-06T16:27:50Z")
> [@Banquet\_Bear](#): > > It’s the BBQ Pit. We can be skeptical here. We can be downright disbelieving and sarcastic here, too. It’s one of the things I like about it. ---
**Author:** ![Typo\_Negative](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/typo_negative/32/484_2.png) [@Typo\_Negative](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Typo_Negative)\ **Post date:** [May 6, 2022, 8:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread-2/912531/2594 "2022-05-06T20:13:58Z")
And this asshole, a 16 yr veteran, was training other officers. [https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/crime/state-trooper-sniffed-female-coworker-pushed-her-head-toward-his-groin/ar-AAX09Pa?li=BBnb7Kz](https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/crime/state-trooper-sniffed-female-coworker-pushed-her-head-toward-his-groin/ar-AAX09Pa?li=BBnb7Kz) **\> I didn’t do it!!** > He denied sniffing her, reportedly, despite another instructor observing the incident. > His coworker told the investigating officers that she was humiliated, embarrassed and degraded by Meiser’s actions. Actions that were witnessed by other instructors who were at the range and corroborated her account. ---
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [May 6, 2022, 8:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread-2/912531/2595 "2022-05-06T20:20:55Z")
Other instructors that didn’t try to stop him or report it themselves-they just corroborated after she made the report. Or in other words, “good cops”. ---
**Author:** ![Folacin](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/folacin/32/3195_2.png) [@Folacin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Folacin)\ **Post date:** [May 7, 2022, 12:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread-2/912531/2596 "2022-05-07T12:35:56Z")
> [@Czarcasm](#): > > Other instructors that didn’t try to stop him or report it themselves Hey now - they couldn’t tell if she was in to that sort of thing or not. Best to wait and not cause a commotion in case it was consensual. ---
**Author:** ![Typo\_Negative](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/typo_negative/32/484_2.png) [@Typo\_Negative](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Typo_Negative)\ **Post date:** [May 7, 2022, 7:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread-2/912531/2597 "2022-05-07T19:47:27Z")
[3 Texas officers indicted for force used on anti-police brutality protesters in 2020 (msn.com)](https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/crime/3-texas-officers-indicted-for-force-used-on-anti-police-brutality-protesters-in-2020/ar-AAX1u8m?ocid=msedgntp&cvid=2160cd8929e44dbadbf00b7b9ebd0d5d) > “It was a riot,” he said. “There was looting. There were some people who started there, they were there protesting peacefully. Those people weren’t hurt. A lot of protesters, when asked to disperse, would. It’s the persons who didn’t that obviously caused the problem and the violence and the property damage.” he said with a straight face… ---
**Author:** ![Typo\_Negative](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/typo_negative/32/484_2.png) [@Typo\_Negative](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Typo_Negative)\ **Post date:** [May 9, 2022, 3:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread-2/912531/2598 "2022-05-09T15:40:25Z")
[https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/former-okla-police-officers-charged-after-fatally-shooting-black-man/ar-AAX4mAG?li=BBnb7Kz](https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/former-okla-police-officers-charged-after-fatally-shooting-black-man/ar-AAX4mAG?li=BBnb7Kz) According to the story, he put up his hands, then they shot him. He fell, raised back, put up his hands…AND THEY SHOT HIM AGAIN. > Quadry Sanders had just raised his hands when a police officer shot at him four times, according to graphic body-camera footage of the Dec. 5 scene outside a Lawton, Okla., home. After falling to the ground, Sanders momentarily sat up and raised his hands again, when the officer — along with a second one — fired more shots, officials said ---
**Author:** ![Folacin](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/folacin/32/3195_2.png) [@Folacin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Folacin)\ **Post date:** [May 9, 2022, 4:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread-2/912531/2599 "2022-05-09T16:26:33Z")
> [@Typo\_Negative](#): > > AND THEY SHOT HIM AGAIN. Hey, he was still moving and in the exact same manner that caused them to shoot him the first time. ---
**Author:** ![Euphonious\_Polemic](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/euphonious_polemic/32/3002_2.png) [@Euphonious\_Polemic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Euphonious_Polemic)\ **Post date:** [May 9, 2022, 5:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread-2/912531/2600 "2022-05-09T17:57:51Z")
> [@Typo\_Negative](#): > > AND THEY SHOT HIM AGAIN. The officers were justifiably afraid for their lives, because they could see that he had pigmentation in his hands. ---
**Author:** ![Rick\_Kitchen](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/rick_kitchen/32/522_2.png) [@Rick\_Kitchen](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rick_Kitchen)\ **Post date:** [May 13, 2022, 9:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread-2/912531/2601 "2022-05-13T21:48:43Z")
San Jose cop arrested for masturbating in a home he was called to. > **[Cop Arrested After Allegedly Masturbating in Residents’ Home](https://www.thedailybeast.com/san-jose-police-officer-arrested-after-allegedly-masturbating-in-familys-home-while-responding-to-call)** > > Sources said that the officer was caught with his trousers down—at least in the figurative sense—when members of the family walked in on him. ---
**Author:** ![Rick\_Kitchen](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/rick_kitchen/32/522_2.png) [@Rick\_Kitchen](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rick_Kitchen)\ **Post date:** [May 13, 2022, 9:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread-2/912531/2602 "2022-05-13T21:50:42Z")
10 year old boy put in a chokehold and dragged across the floor. Guess what his skin color is. > **[10-year-old Louisiana boy with disabilities feared for life after deputy put...](https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/lawsuit-boy-10-feared-death-sheriffs-deputy-put-chokehold-rcna28542)** > > The federal suit filed by the boy's parents asks for a ban on physical restraints and handcuffing students with disabilities. ---
**Author:** ![Projammer](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/projammer/32/559_2.png) [@Projammer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Projammer)\ **Post date:** [May 14, 2022, 12:22am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread-2/912531/2603 "2022-05-14T00:22:51Z")
Does that make him a hardened criminal? > **[San Jose police officer accused of masturbating inside a home while...](https://www.cbsnews.com/sanfrancisco/news/matthew-dominguez-san-jose-police-officer-misconduct/)** > > A San Jose police officer has been arrested for allegedly masturbating inside a home where officers were responding to a call, one of the latest instances of misconduct among SJPD officers. At least it ended without anyone getting shot. ---
**Author:** ![silenus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/silenus/32/166_2.png) [@silenus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/silenus)\ **Post date:** [May 14, 2022, 1:03am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread-2/912531/2604 "2022-05-14T01:03:34Z")
I hope he gets a stiff sentence. ---
**Author:** ![CaptMurdock](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/captmurdock/32/11736_2.png) [@CaptMurdock](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/CaptMurdock)\ **Post date:** [May 14, 2022, 6:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread-2/912531/2605 "2022-05-14T18:15:19Z")
Hopefully the bailiff won’t say “All rise!” ---
**Author:** ![eschereal](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/eschereal/32/18939_2.png) [@eschereal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/eschereal)\ **Post date:** [May 15, 2022, 12:39am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread-2/912531/2606 "2022-05-15T00:39:35Z")
Before becoming a police officer, he was a jack-of-all-trades. ---
**Author:** ![LurkMeister](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/3da27b/32.png) [@LurkMeister](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/LurkMeister)\ **Post date:** [May 15, 2022, 6:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread-2/912531/2607 "2022-05-15T18:51:15Z")
Shouldn’t that be a jack-_off_-all-trades? [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread-2/912531.md?page=129) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread-2/912531.md?page=131)