# Controversial encounters between law-enforcement and civilians - the omnibus thread #2 **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [June 23, 2020, 8:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread-2/912531 "2020-06-23T20:29:26Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 136
**Author:** ![Babale](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/babale/32/15666_2.png) [@Babale](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Babale)\ **Post date:** [June 27, 2022, 1:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread-2/912531/2708 "2022-06-27T13:58:32Z")
> [@Folacin](#): > > > [@Smapti](#): > > > > Note the masterful use of passive voice in the article. > > Maybe the dog was carrying and fired back in self-defense?. Based on the info presented in the article, can we even tell that the two facts are connected? “Police officer tries to shoot dog. Some time later, he is shot in the leg.” ---
**Author:** ![Roderick\_Femm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/roderick_femm/32/14875_2.png) [@Roderick\_Femm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Roderick_Femm)\ **Post date:** [June 27, 2022, 4:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread-2/912531/2709 "2022-06-27T16:26:44Z")
Here’s the quote: “after being shot in the leg while trying to shoot a dog.” The phrase “while trying” seems to establish the temporal connection between the two events. ---
**Author:** ![Folacin](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/folacin/32/3195_2.png) [@Folacin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Folacin)\ **Post date:** [June 27, 2022, 6:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread-2/912531/2710 "2022-06-27T18:16:30Z")
But we don’t know who (or what) was wielding the gun that discharged the bullet that hit him in the leg. ---
**Author:** ![silenus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/silenus/32/166_2.png) [@silenus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/silenus)\ **Post date:** [June 27, 2022, 6:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread-2/912531/2711 "2022-06-27T18:30:14Z")
I’m hoping it was the dog. ---
**Author:** ![DesertDog](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/desertdog/32/11503_2.png) [@DesertDog](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DesertDog)\ **Post date:** [June 27, 2022, 7:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread-2/912531/2712 "2022-06-27T19:32:48Z")
“The bitch shot me!” ---
**Author:** ![LurkMeister](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/3da27b/32.png) [@LurkMeister](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/LurkMeister)\ **Post date:** [June 27, 2022, 9:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread-2/912531/2713 "2022-06-27T21:27:25Z")
“As a police officer, he’s trained to deescalate. He did not do what he was trained to do.” Judging from all the times when police officers have shot or otherwise assaulted “suspects”, I’d like a cite for her belief that police officers are trained to deescalate. ---
**Author:** ![eschereal](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/eschereal/32/18939_2.png) [@eschereal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/eschereal)\ **Post date:** [June 27, 2022, 11:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread-2/912531/2714 "2022-06-27T23:04:22Z")
> [@LurkMeister](#): > > I’d like a cite for her belief that police officers are trained to deescalate There is some indication that officer-trainees receive lessons in deescalation. I mean, look how many times they fail to kill decent law-abiding caucasion-types. It seems to be a skill they are taught. But, if the shift captain (or whatever that person is called) says “When you profile a suspect based on these here criteria, escalate”, it will not be evident that they possess that skill, are at all adept at it, or are inclined to do so. After all, it takes longer, is more difficult and is less viscerally satisfying. ---
**Author:** ![Rick\_Kitchen](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/rick_kitchen/32/522_2.png) [@Rick\_Kitchen](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rick_Kitchen)\ **Post date:** [June 29, 2022, 6:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread-2/912531/2715 "2022-06-29T18:39:58Z")
The police chief of Farmington Hills, Michigan apologizes for using target practice targets in the form of black men. > **[Police chief admits shooting practice targets are images of Black men, asks...](https://thegrio.com/2022/06/29/farmington-hills-police-chief-shooting-practice-targets-black-men/)** > > The targets were discovered during a Boy Scout troop's recent tour of the Farmington Hills Police Department headquarters near Detroit. ---
**Author:** ![kayaker](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kayaker/32/441_2.png) [@kayaker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kayaker)\ **Post date:** [June 29, 2022, 7:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread-2/912531/2716 "2022-06-29T19:06:07Z")
> [@Rick\_Kitchen](#): > > The police chief of Farmington Hills, Michigan apologizes for using target practice targets in the form of black men Sorry, but an apology doesn’t cut it. ---
**Author:** ![Projammer](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/projammer/32/559_2.png) [@Projammer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Projammer)\ **Post date:** [June 29, 2022, 7:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread-2/912531/2717 "2022-06-29T19:43:56Z")
I would ask how fucking clueless people could be, but then there’s this thread. ---
**Author:** ![Folacin](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/folacin/32/3195_2.png) [@Folacin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Folacin)\ **Post date:** [June 29, 2022, 7:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread-2/912531/2718 "2022-06-29T19:50:33Z")
> [@kayaker](#): > > Sorry, but an apology doesn’t cut it. I’m willing to give him 1.5 internet points for an actual apology and acceptance of responsibility - he didn’t even mention “anyone who may have been offended”. Plus, he probably was not in charge of purchasing or even approving the targets (on the other hand, assuming he uses the range himself he should have noticed the problem). ---
**Author:** ![Machine\_Elf](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/82dd89/32.png) [@Machine\_Elf](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Machine_Elf)\ **Post date:** [June 30, 2022, 1:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread-2/912531/2719 "2022-06-30T13:54:25Z")
> **[Video captures moment a Connecticut man was injured while in a police van. He...](https://www.cnn.com/2022/06/29/us/connecticut-man-paralyzed-police-van/index.html)** > > A man in police custody slid headfirst into an interior wall of a transport van in the Connecticut city of New Haven on Father's Day, video released by the city shows -- an incident his family said Tuesday left him partially paralyzed. **TL,DR:** Arrestee transported to station in van with no seatbelt. Driver brakes hard “to avoid collision,” arrestee breaks neck and is partially paralyzed. Piss-poor treatment follows, including manhandling that may have made his injuries worse. He may never walk again. ---
**Author:** ![DavidNRockies](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/davidnrockies/32/6279_2.png) [@DavidNRockies](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DavidNRockies)\ **Post date:** [June 30, 2022, 2:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread-2/912531/2720 "2022-06-30T14:32:41Z")
We’ve seen this movie before: > **[Killing of Freddie Gray](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Killing_of_Freddie_Gray)** > > On April 12, 2015, Freddie Carlos Gray Jr., a 25-year-old African American, was arrested by the Baltimore Police Department over his legal possession of a knife. While being transported in a police van, Gray sustained injuries and was taken to the R Adams Cowley Shock Trauma Center. Gray died on April 19, 2015; his death was ascribed to injuries to his spinal cord. > On April 21, 2015, pending an investigation of the incident, six Baltimore police officers were suspended. The circumstances of th... Just … horrifying. ---
**Author:** ![Typo\_Negative](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/typo_negative/32/484_2.png) [@Typo\_Negative](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Typo_Negative)\ **Post date:** [July 3, 2022, 9:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread-2/912531/2721 "2022-07-03T21:03:32Z")
[Akron police release ‘heartbreaking’ footage of Jayland Walker being shot up to 60 times: Live updates (msn.com)](https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/akron-police-release-heartbreaking-footage-of-jayland-walker-being-shot-up-to-60-times-live-updates/ar-AAZ8WSe?ocid=msedgntp&cvid=2a816040db4348daaa363fc787bac160) Yeah. You guys are heartbroken. Sure. ---
**Author:** ![Stoid](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/stoid/32/272_2.png) [@Stoid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Stoid)\ **Post date:** [July 5, 2022, 9:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread-2/912531/2722 "2022-07-05T21:22:59Z")
This is just nauseating. ---
**Author:** ![eschereal](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/eschereal/32/18939_2.png) [@eschereal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/eschereal)\ **Post date:** [July 6, 2022, 4:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread-2/912531/2723 "2022-07-06T16:19:19Z")
It is a difficult one, though. There is to be a part of the earlier footage that includes a bang and flash, suggesting that Jaylen had fired a shot from his car, and the ~~lying bastards~~ police claim to have found a gun in his car. He scrambled out of a vehicle that had not stopped moving. And he was wearing a ski mask in mid summer, which is more than slightly odd. That the officers felt the need to unleash an average dozen rounds apiece is beyond ridiculous, when they had nothing to go on from the outset. It was a traffic violation, ffs. But it was a black man at night, and that makes it scary. ---
**Author:** ![eschereal](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/eschereal/32/18939_2.png) [@eschereal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/eschereal)\ **Post date:** [July 7, 2022, 12:00am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread-2/912531/2724 "2022-07-07T00:00:41Z")
Well, this is nice, > **[Uvalde police officer missed opportunity to fire at gunman while waiting for...](https://www.cbsnews.com/news/uvalde-texas-school-shooting-police-missed-opportunity-to-shoot-gunman-report/)** > > The report also found that some of the 21 victims, which included 19 children, likely "could have been saved" had they received medical attention sooner. if’n I saw someone walking toward a school carrying a rifle and I had the means to make him stop, I would do my best to make him stop. But, I am not a police officer, so I have a hard time respecting White-rights. ---
**Author:** ![Typo\_Negative](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/typo_negative/32/484_2.png) [@Typo\_Negative](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Typo_Negative)\ **Post date:** [July 7, 2022, 2:34am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread-2/912531/2725 "2022-07-07T02:34:25Z")
> [@eschereal](#): > > if’n I saw someone walking toward a school carrying a rifle and I had the means to make him stop you might be going head to head with Proud Boys or some other nut group who are just being dicks and not wanting to kill kids. Harder to tell these days. ---
**Author:** ![eschereal](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/eschereal/32/18939_2.png) [@eschereal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/eschereal)\ **Post date:** [July 7, 2022, 3:01am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread-2/912531/2726 "2022-07-07T03:01:32Z")
The key phrase there was “_if I had **the means** to make them stop_” – if it was 30 Prod Boys and I only had ten rounds, it would be a tough choice. And anyway, those guys rarely carry rifles. ---
**Author:** ![crowmanyclouds](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/crowmanyclouds/32/19884_2.png) [@crowmanyclouds](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/crowmanyclouds)\ **Post date:** [July 7, 2022, 3:03am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread-2/912531/2727 "2022-07-07T03:03:19Z")
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