# Controversial encounters between law-enforcement and civilians - the omnibus thread #2 **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [June 23, 2020, 8:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread-2/912531 "2020-06-23T20:29:26Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 137
**Author:** ![eschereal](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/eschereal/32/18939_2.png) [@eschereal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/eschereal)\ **Post date:** [July 7, 2022, 3:14am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread-2/912531/2728 "2022-07-07T03:14:08Z")
Just reinforce your position on the GGwaG. At Umpqua Community College, there was a confab of ammosexuals in a classroom, plenty well-armed, who saw the shooter and coulda done flattened him easy-peasy but retreated back into the classroom because they did not want the fuzz to think it was them. There are numerous instances of the GGwaG not saving the day. Uvalde, Buffalo (the security guard died), etc. The BGwaG almost always wins because we all tend to start from a benefit-of-the-doubt position right up to when part of Hell starts to break loose. ---
**Author:** ![eschereal](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/eschereal/32/18939_2.png) [@eschereal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/eschereal)\ **Post date:** [July 9, 2022, 2:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread-2/912531/2729 "2022-07-09T14:24:34Z")
> **[Arizona Will Ban People From Filming Police Officers At Short Distances](https://www.unilad.com/news/arizona-ban-people-from-filming-police-officers-at-short-distances-20220709)** > > A law in the US state of Arizona will ban people from filming police officers at short distances, with possible fines or jail for those who don't comply. because they are concerned for the safety of people who might get too close to violent encounters (as in, close enough to see what is actually happening) ---
**Author:** ![Cervaise](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cervaise/32/16693_2.png) [@Cervaise](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cervaise)\ **Post date:** [July 9, 2022, 3:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread-2/912531/2730 "2022-07-09T15:21:11Z")
It also targets filming during traffic stops, which is where a lot of profiling followed by deadly escalation begins. ---
**Author:** ![eschereal](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/eschereal/32/18939_2.png) [@eschereal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/eschereal)\ **Post date:** [July 9, 2022, 4:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread-2/912531/2731 "2022-07-09T16:15:43Z")
actually, > [@](#): > > The law does allow for some exemptions, including being allowed to record **if they are the one being questioned** by a police officer, if they are **an occupant in a vehicle during a traffic stop** , or if they are in a structure on private property where law enforcement activity is occurring. meaning, it would seem, that filming during the stop, if you are the suspect or whatever, will be allowed – though, what happens to the recording device after you have been outfitted with 5 dozen rounds, is probably at the discretion of the Fuzz ---
**Author:** ![Typo\_Negative](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/typo_negative/32/484_2.png) [@Typo\_Negative](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Typo_Negative)\ **Post date:** [July 11, 2022, 3:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread-2/912531/2732 "2022-07-11T15:25:47Z")
[Minnesota sheriff who drunkenly crashed police vehicle sent racist and homophobic texts to subordinates: report (msn.com)](https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/minnesota-sheriff-who-drunkenly-crashed-police-vehicle-sent-racist-and-homophobic-texts-to-subordinates-report/ar-AAZsbfH?ocid=entnewsntp&cvid=9eac45750e144634908c0510215c9373) I am shocked. Not that he feels that way, but that he is stupid enough to spread it around in public. But he hill probably be reelected in a walk. ---
**Author:** ![Cervaise](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cervaise/32/16693_2.png) [@Cervaise](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cervaise)\ **Post date:** [July 11, 2022, 6:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread-2/912531/2733 "2022-07-11T18:54:44Z")
> End. Qualified. Immunity. ---
**Author:** ![Ike\_Witt](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ike_witt/32/283_2.png) [@Ike\_Witt](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ike_Witt)\ **Post date:** [July 11, 2022, 8:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread-2/912531/2734 "2022-07-11T20:21:24Z")
> [@Cervaise](#): > > End. Qualified. Immunity. Yes. The sooner the better. ---
**Author:** ![Euphonious\_Polemic](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/euphonious_polemic/32/3002_2.png) [@Euphonious\_Polemic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Euphonious_Polemic)\ **Post date:** [July 11, 2022, 8:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread-2/912531/2735 "2022-07-11T20:46:26Z")
We had to kill the civilians to save the civilians. ---
**Author:** ![PastTense](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/pasttense/32/14550_2.png) [@PastTense](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/PastTense)\ **Post date:** [July 13, 2022, 11:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread-2/912531/2736 "2022-07-13T23:39:28Z")
Well this happened back in the 1990s, but an interesting note about the new Boston Police head–and he was a police officer then too: "Cox detailed the events leading to the beating 27 years ago in a 2020 interview. While serving as an undercover officer in the Boston police gang unit and chasing a shooting suspect on foot, officers arriving at the scene mistook Cox for the suspect. They kicked and punched Cox, leaving him with head and kidney injuries, he said in the WBZ-TV interview. Despite what Cox viewed as the police department’s attempt to cover up the incident, he said he was undeterred in pursuing his law enforcement career." [https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/boston-officer-once-beaten-by-police-named-as-new-commissioner/ar-AAZxC3A](https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/boston-officer-once-beaten-by-police-named-as-new-commissioner/ar-AAZxC3A) ---
**Author:** ![Bill\_Door](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/50afbb/32.png) [@Bill\_Door](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bill_Door)\ **Post date:** [July 14, 2022, 1:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread-2/912531/2737 "2022-07-14T13:35:26Z")
It probably belongs in the Uvalde shooting thread, but that cop cowering behind the cinder block wall while children were being murdered checking his mobile phone with the Punisher logo lock screen has to be the most cop thing ever. ---
**Author:** ![RitterSport](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/rittersport/32/6326_2.png) [@RitterSport](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RitterSport)\ **Post date:** [July 14, 2022, 2:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread-2/912531/2738 "2022-07-14T14:04:07Z")
According to something I saw, I think we should withhold judgement on that cop. Apparently, his wife was one of the victims and she had texted him that she was injured/dying. He tried to go in and was removed from the premises and disarmed. I’ll see if I can find a cite. ETA: [NY Post](https://nypost.com/2022/07/13/uvalde-officer-checks-phone-with-punisher-lock-screen-during-texas-school-shooting/) article: > “To those who haven’t bothered to read even the news that’s been reported in your rush to judgment, he attempted to engage but was removed from the building and disarmed. We’ll have much to say about the police response, but no criticism of this officer,” Moody concluded. ---
**Author:** ![Rick\_Kitchen](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/rick_kitchen/32/522_2.png) [@Rick\_Kitchen](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rick_Kitchen)\ **Post date:** [July 14, 2022, 5:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread-2/912531/2739 "2022-07-14T17:22:40Z")
A Louisiana woman got a ticket for indecent exposure. She was wearing a crop top and shorts. The ticket was issued by three cops who “declined” to turn on their police body cameras. The ticket was ordered to be issued by a police Lieutenant who is the husband of one of the cops involved. The woman and her lawyer met with the police chief and the mayor, and the ticket was rescinded. They probably realized they would have gotten their pants sued off if she pushed it. > **[Police chief apologizes to Louisiana woman cited for wearing shorts and a...](https://www.yahoo.com/news/police-chief-apologizes-louisiana-woman-174521688.html)** > > Casey LaCaze-Lachney and her attorney met with the Winnfield police chief to discuss the indecent exposure citation she received in June. ---
**Author:** ![74westy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/74westy/32/3950_2.png) [@74westy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/74westy)\ **Post date:** [July 14, 2022, 5:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread-2/912531/2740 "2022-07-14T17:42:41Z")
Quoting from the comments section because I read the earlier article but I don’t know where it is now. The chief is being presented as some kind of hero for apologizing and making is right but he still lied about who originally complained. > [@](#): > > What is missing from this story is that earlier when the matter was first reported on social media, the police chief said his officers were responding to citizen complaints, that they acted properly, and that he was not going to engage in a he-said-she-said debate. Rather that the woman can take it to court and let the judge decide. I guess the social media pressure caused him to actually look into the citation. ---
**Author:** ![Alessan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/alessan/32/465_2.png) [@Alessan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Alessan)\ **Post date:** [July 14, 2022, 5:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread-2/912531/2741 "2022-07-14T17:56:48Z")
How is complying with baseless citizen complaints “acting properly”? The police are there to enforce the law, not the will of the mob. ---
**Author:** ![74westy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/74westy/32/3950_2.png) [@74westy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/74westy)\ **Post date:** [July 14, 2022, 6:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread-2/912531/2742 "2022-07-14T18:26:47Z")
And the citizen who complained was a police lieutenant and husband of one of the officers who wrote the ticket. ---
**Author:** ![Rick\_Kitchen](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/rick_kitchen/32/522_2.png) [@Rick\_Kitchen](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rick_Kitchen)\ **Post date:** [July 15, 2022, 6:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread-2/912531/2743 "2022-07-15T18:39:52Z")
For the first time, a federal judge has ruled that police and the city are liable for destruction of private property when they go after a criminal that broke into the innocent civilians’ house. > **[After Texas City Refused To Pay For Destroying Her Home, Woman Wins Landmark...](https://www.forbes.com/sites/nicksibilla/2022/07/11/after-texas-city-refused-to-pay-for-destroying-her-home-woman-wins-nearly-60000/)** > > For the first time time ever, a federal court ruled that under the Fifth Amendment, the government must compensate innocent owners who had their property destroyed by police. ---
**Author:** ![ENugent](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/4af34b/32.png) [@ENugent](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ENugent)\ **Post date:** [July 15, 2022, 7:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread-2/912531/2744 "2022-07-15T19:32:29Z")
About frickin’ time! ---
**Author:** ![k9bfriender](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/k9bfriender/32/3283_2.png) [@k9bfriender](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/k9bfriender)\ **Post date:** [July 15, 2022, 7:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread-2/912531/2745 "2022-07-15T19:37:01Z")
Wonder what the SCOTUS is going to have to say about that. After the police and their unions whine and complain that they can’t do their jobs if they are held accountable for the damage that they do to innocent people’s property, it’s going to become one more wedge issue for the party of “Law and Order” to beat on against the party of “Defund the Police.” ---
**Author:** ![eschereal](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/eschereal/32/18939_2.png) [@eschereal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/eschereal)\ **Post date:** [July 16, 2022, 5:06am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread-2/912531/2746 "2022-07-16T05:06:21Z")
Officer parks his car in ER apron; Ambulance arrives, EMT is [unable to avoid bumping the police car](https://www.jems.com/news/rochester-ny-police-officer-cuffs-emt-in-hospital/) while unloading the gurney. Officer wants to settle this injury to his vehicle _right here, **right now** _. EMT has other priorities. Officer now on desk duty while his dickishness is under investigation. ---
**Author:** ![Mighty\_Mouse](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mighty_mouse/32/7776_2.png) [@Mighty\_Mouse](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mighty_Mouse)\ **Post date:** [July 16, 2022, 3:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread-2/912531/2747 "2022-07-16T15:55:27Z")
Anchorage cops apparently believe in MAGAt immunity. > **[Filipino woman shows ‘white privilege card’ instead of license during...](https://news.yahoo.com/filipino-woman-shows-white-privilege-010154472.html)** > > An investigation has been launched into an Anchorage police interaction with a Filipino woman who handed over a “white privilege card” instead of her driver’s license when she was pulled over in Alaska. Mimi Israelah claimed in a now-deleted... [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread-2/912531.md?page=136) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread-2/912531.md?page=138)