# Controversial encounters between law-enforcement and civilians - the omnibus thread #2 **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [June 23, 2020, 8:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread-2/912531 "2020-06-23T20:29:26Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 147
**Author:** ![DesertDog](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/desertdog/32/11503_2.png) [@DesertDog](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DesertDog)\ **Post date:** [September 26, 2022, 5:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread-2/912531/2928 "2022-09-26T17:58:40Z")
> [@Typo\_Negative](#): > > The best way to be a criminal is to carry a badge. One of Donald E. Westlake’s novels touched upon that. Can’t remember the title but the protagonist proved the point to his partner by robbing a convenience store. All the store owner said when questioned was, “I dunno what he looked like – it was a cop with a gun.” The two of them plotted a caper that would be worth the risk. ---
**Author:** ![carrps](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carrps/32/2957_2.png) [@carrps](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/carrps)\ **Post date:** [September 26, 2022, 6:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread-2/912531/2929 "2022-09-26T18:37:55Z")
I just watched a documentary the other day called _The Cheshire Killings._ Apparently, the case had national attention, but I seem to have missed it. Anyway, the most shocking thing to me was that when the rapes and killings and setting the house on fire happened _the police were all standing around outside the house_ doing who knows what. For like 30 minutes! The surviving father seemed more intent on vengeance (and I can’t really blame him), but, dang, that police force was completely and utterly useless. ---
**Author:** ![Typo\_Negative](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/typo_negative/32/484_2.png) [@Typo\_Negative](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Typo_Negative)\ **Post date:** [September 26, 2022, 7:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread-2/912531/2930 "2022-09-26T19:51:09Z")
Just found out- she did not die. [https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/videos-show-train-crash-into-colorado-police-cruiser-with-woman-inside/ar-AA12fH8s?ocid=entnewsntp&cvid=5737c7960dce42a5b0135246da46c449](https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/videos-show-train-crash-into-colorado-police-cruiser-with-woman-inside/ar-AA12fH8s?ocid=entnewsntp&cvid=5737c7960dce42a5b0135246da46c449) > An officer with the Platteville Police Department has been placed on administrative leave while the incident is investigated, Meaning paid vacation. > On Friday, the Fort Lupton Police Department released an edited, eight-minute clip of body-camera and dashboard-camera footage that shows the events leading up the collision, as well as the moment the train hit the Platteville Police Department vehicle Yeah, edited. Not sure WHY they would want to edit. (rolls eyes) . ---
**Author:** ![eschereal](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/eschereal/32/18939_2.png) [@eschereal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/eschereal)\ **Post date:** [September 26, 2022, 9:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread-2/912531/2931 "2022-09-26T21:09:01Z")
> [@Typo\_Negative](#): > > Just found out- she did not die. Much [better than that](https://www.cnn.com/2022/09/24/us/colorado-police-car-train-bodycam-footage/index.html), > [@cnn](#): > > Fort Lupton police say the case they were pursuing against Rios-Gonzalez has been referred to the Weld County District Attorney. Krista Henery with the Weld County District Attorney’s Office told CNN on Saturday that “everything is still being investigated and no charges have been filed for the suspect/victim or any officers.” They are actually considering charging her. Which, I mean, shooting from your vehicle is some unforgiveable shit, but, goddam. ---
**Author:** ![CaptMurdock](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/captmurdock/32/11736_2.png) [@CaptMurdock](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/CaptMurdock)\ **Post date:** [September 26, 2022, 9:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread-2/912531/2932 "2022-09-26T21:23:22Z")
It could be that they’re trying to leverage Ms. Road-Rage into agreeing not to file what would be a slam-dunk civil suit. ---
**Author:** ![Machine\_Elf](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/82dd89/32.png) [@Machine\_Elf](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Machine_Elf)\ **Post date:** [September 27, 2022, 1:47am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread-2/912531/2933 "2022-09-27T01:47:38Z")
FBI swoops in and raids safe deposit boxes at a private vault company and takes…pretty much everything: > **[FBI Misled Judge, Then Seized $86 Million In Cash From Beverly Hills...](https://www.zerohedge.com/political/fbi-misled-judge-then-seized-86-million-cash-beverly-hills-safe-deposit-boxes)** > > Those who came forward had their bank records, state tax returns, DMV files and criminal histories investigated, agents testified. ---
**Author:** ![GreysonCarlisle](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/a87d85/32.png) [@GreysonCarlisle](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GreysonCarlisle)\ **Post date:** [September 27, 2022, 2:54am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread-2/912531/2934 "2022-09-27T02:54:20Z")
Not sure I’d trust ZeroHedge. ---
**Author:** ![TokyoBayer](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/tokyobayer/32/13989_2.png) [@TokyoBayer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/TokyoBayer)\ **Post date:** [September 27, 2022, 2:58am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread-2/912531/2935 "2022-09-27T02:58:54Z")
The article is from the LA Times. ---
**Author:** ![duality72](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/duality72/32/3910_2.png) [@duality72](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/duality72)\ **Post date:** [September 27, 2022, 5:21am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread-2/912531/2936 "2022-09-27T05:21:44Z")
The LA Times article is a lot more balanced than the Zero Hodge piece. It seems the FBI probably overstepped, but the business in question did plead guilty to several criminal counts. ---
**Author:** ![Typo\_Negative](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/typo_negative/32/484_2.png) [@Typo\_Negative](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Typo_Negative)\ **Post date:** [September 27, 2022, 3:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread-2/912531/2937 "2022-09-27T15:14:47Z")
The article is written by Tyler Durden. nuff said. ---
**Author:** ![peccavi](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/peccavi/32/388_2.png) [@peccavi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/peccavi)\ **Post date:** [September 27, 2022, 5:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread-2/912531/2938 "2022-09-27T17:16:43Z")
Here’s the LA Times Story (the latest story, there are prior stories linked in the article). The full article may be paywalled, but at least you can see it’s coming from a legitimate news source. > **[FBI misled judge who signed warrant for Beverly Hills seizure of $86 million...](https://www.latimes.com/california/story/2022-09-23/fbi-beverly-hills-safe-deposit-box-raid-forfeiture-judge)** > > Newly unsealed court documents show that the FBI and U.S. attorney’s office in L.A. got the warrant for the raid by misleading the judge who approved it. ---
**Author:** ![Rick\_Kitchen](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/rick_kitchen/32/522_2.png) [@Rick\_Kitchen](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rick_Kitchen)\ **Post date:** [September 27, 2022, 5:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread-2/912531/2939 "2022-09-27T17:27:26Z")
47 members of the Alameda County, California Sheriff’s Department have been suspended (but are still on salary) after failing their psych evaluations. > **[47 Alameda County Sheriff deputies get unsatisfactory on psych evaluations;...](https://www.ktvu.com/news/47-alameda-county-sheriff-deputies-get-unsatisfactory-on-psych-evaluations-relieved-of-duties)** > > A total of 47 Alameda County Sheriff's deputies were told on Friday that they were relieved of their law enforcement duties because they received unsatisfactory results on their psychological examinations dating back to 2016, KTVU has learned. ---
**Author:** ![echoreply](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/echoreply/32/3641_2.png) [@echoreply](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/echoreply)\ **Post date:** [September 27, 2022, 6:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread-2/912531/2940 "2022-09-27T18:44:38Z")
> [@Typo\_Negative](#): > > The article is written > [@peccavi](#): > > Here’s the LA Times Story ( The story of the FBI stealing things from people’s safety deposit boxes has also been covered at Techdirt. Some of the reports are based on the LA Times article, others are using original sources from the court. > **[FBI Lied To Court En Route To Seizing Property Owned By Private Vault Company...](https://www.techdirt.com/2022/08/19/fbi-lied-to-court-en-route-to-seizing-property-owned-by-private-vault-company-customers/)** > > There is no doubt civil asset forfeiture perverts law enforcement’s incentives. When a government agency can directly profit from seizing people’s property, it will do this as often as … > **[Judge Orders FBI To Return $57,000 Seized From A US Private Vaults' Customer...](https://www.techdirt.com/2021/08/12/judge-orders-fbi-to-return-57000-seized-us-private-vaults-customer-since-it-apparently-cant-justify-keeping-it/)** > > Visit the post for more. > **[Judge Blocks FBI From Moving Forward With Forfeitures Of Property Seized In...](https://www.techdirt.com/2021/07/06/judge-blocks-fbi-moving-forward-with-forfeitures-property-seized-us-private-vaults-raid/)** > > Visit the post for more. > **[FBI Ignored Its Own Warrant And Search Policies To Seize Millions From...](https://www.techdirt.com/2021/06/16/fbi-ignored-own-warrant-search-policies-to-seize-millions-peoples-safety-deposit-boxes/)** > > Visit the post for more. ---
**Author:** ![Rick\_Kitchen](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/rick_kitchen/32/522_2.png) [@Rick\_Kitchen](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rick_Kitchen)\ **Post date:** [September 28, 2022, 4:28am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread-2/912531/2941 "2022-09-28T04:28:17Z")
A California father abducted his teenage daughter. They both died in gunfire with the police as she tried to escape being held captive. > **[Abducted Teen, Fugitive Dad Killed in Shootout With Cops](https://www.thedailybeast.com/abducted-california-teen-savannah-graziano-fugitive-father-killed-by-sheriffs-deputies-in-shootout)** > > The San Bernardino County sheriff said 15-year-old Savannah Graziano charged at deputies wearing tactical gear. ---
**Author:** ![RickJay](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/bb73d2/32.png) [@RickJay](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RickJay)\ **Post date:** [September 28, 2022, 2:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread-2/912531/2942 "2022-09-28T14:46:03Z")
> [@Rick\_Kitchen](#): > > 47 members of the Alameda County, California Sheriff’s Department have been suspended (but are still on salary) after failing their psych evaluations. I find this story fascinating. They do this? The union doesn’t object to suspending a person who failed a “psych evaluation”? How scientifically valid is this evaluation? ---
**Author:** ![Typo\_Negative](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/typo_negative/32/484_2.png) [@Typo\_Negative](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Typo_Negative)\ **Post date:** [September 28, 2022, 2:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread-2/912531/2943 "2022-09-28T14:46:32Z")
Maryland State cops practice shooting at black guys. > **[State police investigate shooting target at Western Maryland range that some...](https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/state-police-investigate-shooting-target-at-western-maryland-range-that-some-say-adds-fuel-to-the-fire-of-distrust/ar-AA12l70X?cvid=77f02b9661c34ee7b01f650d06ee7e46)** > > The Maryland State Police are investigating the use of a shooting target possibly depicting a Black or Middle Eastern man on a Western Maryland range after an anonymous complaint earlier this month, officials said. ---
**Author:** ![eschereal](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/eschereal/32/18939_2.png) [@eschereal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/eschereal)\ **Post date:** [September 28, 2022, 5:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread-2/912531/2944 "2022-09-28T17:17:27Z")
> [@RickJay](#): > > The union doesn’t object to suspending a person who failed a “psych evaluation”? How scientifically valid is this evaluation? modern policing has become a your-life-in-their-hands situation – I would say that modern psychology is good enough that erring on the side of caution is the better choice, and fuck the police ~~cosa nostra~~ union ---
**Author:** ![Rick\_Kitchen](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/rick_kitchen/32/522_2.png) [@Rick\_Kitchen](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rick_Kitchen)\ **Post date:** [September 29, 2022, 12:53am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread-2/912531/2945 "2022-09-29T00:53:29Z")
In 2018, multiple questions arose concerning the validity of the election for Sheriff in Columbus County, North Carolina. While the election was being investigated, the guy who allegedly won was put aside and a temporary sheriff put in place. Immediately, the put aside guy started calling the temporary guy and told him he needed to start firing all of the blacks in the department. Well, the temporary guy recorded all of those calls, and now he’s running against the other guy, and he’s released the tapes. > **[Sheriff: “I’m sick of these Black bastards.... Every Black that I know, you...](https://www.wect.com/2022/09/28/sheriff-im-sick-these-black-bastards-every-black-that-i-know-you-need-fire-him/)** > > In the recording, Greene can be heard saying he’s going to start firing black people who are “guilty by f\*\*king association” with the former African-American sheriff. Several black members in his department were fired or demoted, and he no longer has... ---
**Author:** ![CaptMurdock](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/captmurdock/32/11736_2.png) [@CaptMurdock](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/CaptMurdock)\ **Post date:** [September 29, 2022, 4:22am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread-2/912531/2946 "2022-09-29T04:22:17Z")
The story takes an interesting turn… [The “kidnapped” 15-year-old supposedly shot at deputies before being killed in Hesperia shootout](https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/crime/girl-shot-at-deputies-before-being-killed-in-hesperia-shootout-sheriff-says/ar-AA12mHZg?rc=1&ocid=winp1taskbar&cvid=c46d0941df7041c790667feb48d39a14) Now, I’m inclined to take the sheriff’s statement with a grain of salt. Still, now that the CA DOJ is looking into this, is it to his department’s benefit to come up with an easily-disprovable lie? Did they find a gun on her person? Was it fired? Was gunpowder residue found on her clothing? ---
**Author:** ![Ike\_Witt](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ike_witt/32/283_2.png) [@Ike\_Witt](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ike_Witt)\ **Post date:** [September 29, 2022, 12:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread-2/912531/2947 "2022-09-29T12:52:21Z")
> [@CaptMurdock](#): > > Now, I’m inclined to take the sheriff’s statement with a grain of salt I’m inclined to believe that they are flat out lying. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread-2/912531.md?page=146) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread-2/912531.md?page=148)