# Controversial encounters between law-enforcement and civilians - the omnibus thread #2 **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [June 23, 2020, 8:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread-2/912531 "2020-06-23T20:29:26Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 149
**Author:** ![eschereal](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/eschereal/32/18939_2.png) [@eschereal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/eschereal)\ **Post date:** [October 8, 2022, 5:13am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread-2/912531/2968 "2022-10-08T05:13:28Z")
> **[Uvalde School District Suspends Its Entire Campus Police Force For Unknown...](https://www.huffpost.com/entry/uvalde-school-district-police-force_n_63405b36e4b0b7f89f4b8da6)** > > Officers in the Texas town remain under intense scrutiny for their response to May's school shooting massacre. ---
**Author:** ![pkbites](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/pkbites/32/204_2.png) [@pkbites](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/pkbites)\ **Post date:** [October 8, 2022, 5:20am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread-2/912531/2969 "2022-10-08T05:20:05Z")
> [@Typo\_Negative](#): > > Its cheap? Salesman is someone’s nephew? Kickbacks? No. Sigs are not cheap. MPD went to Sig from Smith & Wesson M&P because the former Chief preferred Sigs. Sig Sauers are high quality, well made and quite expensive. What appears to be happening, from the data I read, there may be a malfunction in the “drop safety”, an internal safety device that prevents the weapon from firing if it is dropped or jarred. Most striker fired duty weapons and some hammer fired weapons are single action, meaning if there is a round in the chamber the weapon is cocked. Internal safeties are meant to prevent an accidental discharge if the trigger is not pulled. If such a safety is not functioning properly a pistol can fire if moved around or even lightly tapped. Thankfully this seems to be a problem isolated to this specific model of firearm. Other than this issue every officer i know that has a Sig 320 loves it. The fact that the union is only trying to get the department to change weapons and not trying to get money from the manufacturer tells me they are sincere in their concern of officer safety and not out for a buck. ---
**Author:** ![Machine\_Elf](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/82dd89/32.png) [@Machine\_Elf](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Machine_Elf)\ **Post date:** [October 8, 2022, 4:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread-2/912531/2970 "2022-10-08T16:41:25Z")
There’s no claim that this cop actually did violence to anyone on the job (though I wouldn’t put it past him), but holy shit, talk about the wrong attitude to be a cop… > **[Seattle police officer fired over ‘derogatory and entirely unacceptable’...](https://www.kiro7.com/news/local/seattle-police-officer-fired-over-derogatory-entirely-unacceptable-social-media-posts/AK7VIBQG75ARTALCXTOL5MNAGE/)** > > The social media posts included content that celebrated violence against protestors, publicly accused SPD of hating its employees, blamed victims of assault and taunted family members of deceased individuals, according to SPD's disciplinary action... ---
**Author:** ![Cervaise](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cervaise/32/16693_2.png) [@Cervaise](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cervaise)\ **Post date:** [October 8, 2022, 5:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread-2/912531/2971 "2022-10-08T17:14:50Z")
Not to worry, the Seattle police union will get him his job back inside of eighteen months. ---
**Author:** ![Crafter\_Man](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/crafter_man/32/458_2.png) [@Crafter\_Man](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Crafter_Man)\ **Post date:** [October 8, 2022, 5:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread-2/912531/2972 "2022-10-08T17:21:06Z")
I have a 40 minute commute to work, and have been listening to episodes of [Audit the Audit](https://www.youtube.com/c/AuditTheAudit). (I can’t see the videos, obviously. But I think the videos are less important than the audio.) The commentary by the lawyers is _fantastic_, and fairly unbiased. I am now _ **much** _ more knowledgeable on what my rights are in a police encounter. I’ve probably listened to 50 episodes now. It is truly amazing how these cops bully people in to giving up their rights. ---
**Author:** ![eschereal](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/eschereal/32/18939_2.png) [@eschereal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/eschereal)\ **Post date:** [October 8, 2022, 8:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread-2/912531/2973 "2022-10-08T20:01:15Z")
> [@Crafter\_Man](#): > > I am now _ **much** _ more knowledgeable on what my rights are in a police encounter. You have _rights_? I would refrain from mentioning that to them – even if you _are_ white. One thing I am given to understand is that you may not lie to them, but they are entitled to pile the bullshit up over your head. Best to just not tell them anything. “I don’t know about that” is probably the best way to respond, and never volunteer anything. And beware of chit-chat. ---
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [October 8, 2022, 8:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread-2/912531/2974 "2022-10-08T20:12:44Z")
> [@Crafter\_Man](#): > > I am now _ **much** _ more knowledgeable on what my rights are in a police encounter. Others have thought the same thing, and they turned out to be dead right. ---
**Author:** ![Skywatcher](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/skywatcher/32/254_2.png) [@Skywatcher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Skywatcher)\ **Post date:** [October 10, 2022, 10:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread-2/912531/2975 "2022-10-10T22:42:11Z")
I just heard about that on CBS News. The rookie cop shouldn’t have been hired in the first place. ---
**Author:** ![Euphonious\_Polemic](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/euphonious_polemic/32/3002_2.png) [@Euphonious\_Polemic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Euphonious_Polemic)\ **Post date:** [October 11, 2022, 1:54am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread-2/912531/2976 "2022-10-11T01:54:35Z")
Full headline: Uvalde School Districts Suspends It’s Entire Campus Police Force For Unknown Period. How about forever. Does forever work for you? ---
**Author:** ![Rick\_Kitchen](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/rick_kitchen/32/522_2.png) [@Rick\_Kitchen](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rick_Kitchen)\ **Post date:** [October 11, 2022, 10:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread-2/912531/2977 "2022-10-11T22:10:57Z")
Florida Man cop arrested by fellow cops for running over a fire hose and interfering with a fire crew trying to put out a fire. > **[Police officer arrested for interfering with crew trying to put out house fire](https://cbs12.com/news/local/delray-beach-police-officer-arrested-peter-sosa-interfering-palm-beach-county-fire-rescue-sheriffs-office)** > > A Delray Beach police officer was arrested after he ran over ---
**Author:** ![Guest-starring\_Id](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/guest-starring_id/32/21736_2.png) [@Guest-starring\_Id](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Guest-starring_Id)\ **Post date:** [October 12, 2022, 12:45am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread-2/912531/2978 "2022-10-12T00:45:03Z")
From above article: > [@](#): > > Then, [Delray Beach police officer] Sosa drove away, nearly hitting a PBSO deputy who was trying to stop him from getting away. The officer followed Sosa west on Lake Worth Road. During the pursuit, Sosa reportedly slammed on his brakes in an attempt to make the pursuing officer hit his vehicle, per PBSO. I love multiple fucking-up. Well, the almost-running-over-another-cop part I’m not too overly impressd with. ---
**Author:** ![Rick\_Kitchen](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/rick_kitchen/32/522_2.png) [@Rick\_Kitchen](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rick_Kitchen)\ **Post date:** [October 12, 2022, 5:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread-2/912531/2979 "2022-10-12T17:50:29Z")
The San Antonio cop who shot the kid sitting in his car has been arrested. > **[Former San Antonio officer who shot teen in McDonald’s parking lot is arrested](https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/former-san-antonio-officer-shot-teen-parking-lot-mcdonalds-arrested-rcna51803)** > > James Brennand, who was fired by the San Antonio Police Department last week, was arrested on two counts of aggravated assault. He has been released on bond. ---
**Author:** ![Rick\_Kitchen](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/rick_kitchen/32/522_2.png) [@Rick\_Kitchen](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rick_Kitchen)\ **Post date:** [October 15, 2022, 1:30am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread-2/912531/2980 "2022-10-15T01:30:39Z")
Even Dutch police are horrible. Police in Rotterdam are going to start undressing young people on the street who they, in their infinite wisdom, are wearing clothes they’re too poor to wear. > **[Dutch police are confiscating expensive clothes from kids who look too poor...](https://qz.com/1182962/dutch-police-are-confiscating-expensive-clothes-from-kids-who-look-too-poor-to-wear-them)** > > In Rotterdam, the police will target young men wearing clothes the police believe they shouldn't be able to afford as suspected criminals. ---
**Author:** ![HeyHomie](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/heyhomie/32/207_2.png) [@HeyHomie](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/HeyHomie)\ **Post date:** [October 15, 2022, 1:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread-2/912531/2981 "2022-10-15T13:55:12Z")
That’s some America shit right there. ---
**Author:** ![eschereal](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/eschereal/32/18939_2.png) [@eschereal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/eschereal)\ **Post date:** [October 15, 2022, 2:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread-2/912531/2982 "2022-10-15T14:11:19Z")
America is metastasizing. ---
**Author:** ![Cervaise](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cervaise/32/16693_2.png) [@Cervaise](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cervaise)\ **Post date:** [October 15, 2022, 2:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread-2/912531/2983 "2022-10-15T14:19:55Z")
There’s some local context missing. Gangs and organized crime have sharply escalated in the Netherlands in the last few years. Within the last few days, a teenaged member of the royal family had to withdraw from school in the face of credible kidnap/ransom threats from criminal gangs. The premise of the program is to give police new tools to try to disrupt these organizations. The objections are entirely fair, in that there’s a real fear the powers will be used to persecute racial minorities to the exclusion of white criminals. But this new policy didn’t arise in a vacuum. ---
**Author:** ![Chronos](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/chronos/32/134_2.png) [@Chronos](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chronos)\ **Post date:** [October 15, 2022, 2:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread-2/912531/2984 "2022-10-15T14:25:51Z")
The objection to the Dutch law isn’t that it might be invoked where it’s inappropriate. It’s that there is no situation where it’s appropriate. I’m sorry to hear that they have a gang problem, but that doesn’t justify introducing new, unrelated problems. ---
**Author:** ![HeyHomie](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/heyhomie/32/207_2.png) [@HeyHomie](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/HeyHomie)\ **Post date:** [October 15, 2022, 6:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread-2/912531/2985 "2022-10-15T18:40:07Z")
Do Dutch citizens have some sort of implicit (or expressed) right to Due Process? And/or to not have their possessions taken from them (or searched) or what have you? ---
**Author:** ![Monty](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/monty/32/47_2.png) [@Monty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Monty)\ **Post date:** [October 21, 2022, 2:53am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread-2/912531/2986 "2022-10-21T02:53:15Z")
Chapter 1 (Fundamental Rights) of the [The Constitution of the Kingdom of the Netherlands 2018](https://www.government.nl/documents/reports/2019/02/28/the-constitution-of-the-kingdom-of-the-netherlands) (link to download PDF) seems to cover that. ---
**Author:** ![Rick\_Kitchen](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/rick_kitchen/32/522_2.png) [@Rick\_Kitchen](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rick_Kitchen)\ **Post date:** [November 5, 2022, 6:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread-2/912531/2987 "2022-11-05T18:12:24Z")
Montreal cops handcuff an innocent black man, then when they determined there was no reason to retain him, they didn’t have any keys to unlock the cuffs. > **[Montreal police handcuff innocent Black man, have no key to release him | CBC...](https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/montreal/montreal-police-black-man-handcuffs-no-key-1.6641689)** > > Montreal police say they handcuffed the man while investigating the unoccupied Honda CRV because it had damage to the lock and is popular among car thieves. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread-2/912531.md?page=148) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread-2/912531.md?page=150)